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Bad News For Obama: Polls Show That 6 Million+ Pro-Hillary Supporters Are Going To Vote For McCain
10/28/2008 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 10/28/2008 4:46:09 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

A poll was conducted back In June 2008, and it found that the number of Hillary supporters that were going to vote for Obama was 58%, with 28% going to vote for McCain. The rest were undecided.

In September, another poll was conducted, and it found that things were unchanged for Obama. This poll found that the percentages were still 58% going to vote for Obama and 28% going to vote for for McCain, with the remainder still undecided.

If the remainder ends up splitting evenly, that will give McCain 35% of Hillary supporters that will vote for him and 65% for Obama.

18 million people voted for Hillary in the Democratic primaries. 35% of those 18 million voting for McCain on Nov. 4th, 2008, will translate into about 6.4 million votes for McCain - votes that Obama will not get - and would have gotten had he chosen Hillary as his veep.

This may account for why the MSM pollsters have skewed their polls and rampantly oversampled Dems, and undersampled Repubs - along with tainting their polls with extra blacks and college students being polled.

6 million plus axtra voters for McCain...

Wow.

Since early voting numbers show that few college students are turning out to vote early for Obama, even though he and his campaign have been pleading with them to do so, and with some polls showing that Obama's turnout of black voters won't be much better than John Kerry's were, the Obama campaign is worried.

This election is far from over. The polls are much, much closer than many realize.


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1 posted on 10/28/2008 4:46:10 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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What say you?


2 posted on 10/28/2008 4:46:39 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think a lot, if not most, undecideds break for McCain..


3 posted on 10/28/2008 4:47:45 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Go Pumas!!!!!

Join your fellow Americans, and defeat the Obama thugs!!!


4 posted on 10/28/2008 4:49:51 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Can we get ‘em to vote in VA, CO, and PA?


5 posted on 10/28/2008 4:50:09 PM PDT by Little Ray (Joe the Plumber. He's our only hope... God help him.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Source for those figures about the college students?


6 posted on 10/28/2008 4:50:14 PM PDT by Tears of a Clown (The Obamessiah has risen. All hail the One.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I think the Hillary voters (PUMA'S) are the silent vote in this election and they will be heard on Nov 4th. I think you are on to something...I take that back, I'm positive you are on to something...
7 posted on 10/28/2008 4:50:26 PM PDT by Bush Revolution ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."...Let's win this thing)
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To: cardinal4

Yep.

That’s how they have in the past.

Undecideds don’t break for newbies.

Obama is a newbie.

140+ days in the Senate and he starts running for pres.


8 posted on 10/28/2008 4:50:30 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Tears of a Clown

Fox News, Rachel Maddow’s show on MSNBC and few others...


9 posted on 10/28/2008 4:52:31 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist (Keep working! Welfare cases and their liberal enablers are counting on you!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Ties in with this article on early voting in Nevada.
10 posted on 10/28/2008 4:52:31 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

LINK?!


11 posted on 10/28/2008 4:54:45 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

My true blue RAT friend is not voting for Pres. She was big time Hillary supporter.


12 posted on 10/28/2008 4:55:19 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The article errs in attributing the polling differences to oversampling of Democrats and under sampling of Republicans.

Rather, it's the over assignment of those polled to the "independent/undecided" category.

As long as the pollster has a reasonable idea of what percentage of the electorate belongs to which party it really doesn't matter how many of each party get polled. All that will happen is the pollster will get a better number from one set of voters than another.

If, on the other hand, the pollster takes all his Democrat respondents who might vote for McCain and calls them independents, but does not also reduce the percentage of Democrats in the total sampling universe, he simply gives each Obama vote greater weight and thereby distorts the results.

These guys all know that 20% of white Democrats will not vote for Obama under any circumstances. That's about 12% of all Democrats!

By calling them independents they give Obama as much as a 15% lead over McCain.

13 posted on 10/28/2008 4:56:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Hopefully McCain/Palin and Co. will his emphasize connections with shaky socialist leftists in his past and say "now is not the time to take a experiment with America's future" Barack will be around in four or eight years and by then he can be fully vetted - right now he's way too big a risk"!

I think an approach like that might sell with the "moderate independents" with their thumb still up their....well, in their ear.

14 posted on 10/28/2008 4:56:38 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama has been around since the Fall.


15 posted on 10/28/2008 4:57:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Death to vanities and searing pain to those who post them.


16 posted on 10/28/2008 4:57:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Do Hillary supporters really think this way?

No matter how much resentment I might feel toward McCain and his natural RINO supporters I would never vote for a Democrat. How could the PUMA’s vote for us?


17 posted on 10/28/2008 4:58:24 PM PDT by prolifefirst
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To: lone star annie

If I was still a Democrat, I would vote for McCain. There are so many reasons, but the biggest is because of what he did to Hillary.


18 posted on 10/28/2008 4:58:34 PM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Norman Bates;

Go PUMAS!


19 posted on 10/28/2008 4:58:39 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; Bush Revolution
I had a feeling something like this may happen. The Clintons are out there doing the bare minimum for 0bama. If the PUMA vote comes through, it will effectively cripple 0bama for future runs. After all....he had this election won and blew it at the end (if it goes down that way. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're doing this and hope they push McCain over the top. Two things concern me, however:

One: They'll immediately try to undermine McCain, and more importantly, Palin.

Two: McCain has a propensity for reaching across the aisle and passing bad bi-partisan legislation.

It will be a long 4 years to keep McCain in line, reminding him the Conservative base is his constituency; not the PUMAS and MSM.

20 posted on 10/28/2008 4:58:56 PM PDT by edpc
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Operation kayos
21 posted on 10/28/2008 5:00:03 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Norman Bates

LOL, to post 19

GO PUMAS!


22 posted on 10/28/2008 5:00:22 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: prolifefirst

They aren’t voting FOR us, they are voting against the Obamanation who stole the nomination from Hillary, just as he will steal the election from McCain if given the chance.


23 posted on 10/28/2008 5:00:40 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
What say you?

I say that if I believed polls from reputable pollsters I'd think Obama was up by 13 in Pennsylvania. If I'm not going to believe them why should I believe some unknown, unnamed poll just because it slams Hillary?

24 posted on 10/28/2008 5:01:31 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: HardStarboard
>>>will his emphasize connections <<<

will emphasize his connections.... "his" now in right place.

25 posted on 10/28/2008 5:01:56 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What is your source on early voting. Several states NC, and GA early voting is running 9 - 10% higher than 2004 with a week still to go. Have totals from 2004 need by Party, Race and Sex to make a valid comparision.


26 posted on 10/28/2008 5:02:27 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: edpc

Good points. What I havebeen reading form them is that they want there pary back from Pelosi and Reid and Dean (I have spent too much time at their blogs, lol) and they want it to be a centrist party again. With all that said, your points are very good ones.


27 posted on 10/28/2008 5:02:59 PM PDT by Bush Revolution ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."...Let's win this thing)
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To: prolifefirst

Because not all Democrats are moonbats. Obama is just unacceptable to mainstream America.


28 posted on 10/28/2008 5:03:30 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have no doubt that many of them will vote for McCain/Palin. We’ll see if the number is enough to overcome ACORN.


29 posted on 10/28/2008 5:03:30 PM PDT by paudio (0bama is a Marxist who lied to get elected. If he is elected, we will see a different 0bama..)
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To: paudio
Antone seen where the pollsters only have McCain getting 80% of R's, which I do not believe. If Obama doesn't get the support from Dem's that Kerry and Gore got (Kerry got more) I don't see him winning. The pollsters are guessing that his support is 95% of Dems, that's very unlikely to me.
30 posted on 10/28/2008 5:06:54 PM PDT by Bush Revolution ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."...Let's win this thing)
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To: prolifefirst

Quite simply the PUMA’s hate Obama’s guts for stealing the election from HRC through voter fraud and not even vetting her for VP. I will admit that if McCain had not chosen Sarah Palin and instead a ‘boring white guy’ some of these women may have sat out the election. However, despite the prognostications of the pundits Sarah has attracted a number of PUMA’s to McCain’s side-one because she is a woman and secondly she shows the proper respect to HRC in recognizing her for her efforts and finally because she is intelligent, friendly and charismatic. Finally the PUMA”s have been asked by their leadership to lie to pollsters to screw up Obama’s planning and strategy. That’s how much they hate Obama.


31 posted on 10/28/2008 5:07:18 PM PDT by techno
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To: Bush Revolution

“Antone” ummm, that would be “anyone”. Sorry


32 posted on 10/28/2008 5:07:35 PM PDT by Bush Revolution ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."...Let's win this thing)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; muawiyah
"Obama is a newbie."

That's an insult to newbies. [;-)

I like this better:

"Obama has been around since the Fall." That's funny!

33 posted on 10/28/2008 5:11:47 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Am I foolish to explain things? He had such trouble with my name.)
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I wonder if that poll is taking into account that many of the PUMA’s are telling the pollsters that they are voting for Obama when they are really going to vote for McCain. I don’t think so!!!!!

My bet is that he’s gonna get a lot less of the Hillary votes than the pollsters or Obama ever thought possible. I personally know 6 Hillary supporters from the primaries, and they are all voting for McCain now! I couldn’t be happier!


34 posted on 10/28/2008 5:14:47 PM PDT by Flamenco Lady (Proud to be a pitbull that wears lipstick too!)
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To: muawiyah

Obama has been around since the Fall.

Excellent observation! He is a serpent deceiving the unsuspecting masses.


35 posted on 10/28/2008 5:15:20 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’ve been saying this for a LONG time, and been greeted with skepticism by some on this forum.

However I used a number half as big as this.


36 posted on 10/28/2008 5:16:00 PM PDT by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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To: prolifefirst

Go and look at some of their blogs.

They are extremely angry with the DNC and the Obama campaign for what they perceive as having stolen the nomination from Hillary Clinton.


37 posted on 10/28/2008 5:17:34 PM PDT by George Smiley (Palin is the real deal.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Maybe it’s the Hillary effect. Tell the pollsters one thing. Vote another.


38 posted on 10/28/2008 5:17:35 PM PDT by wny
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If this is anywhere near accurate, Obama will lose in a landslide on election day.

Even 10% would be a devastating and unsustainable loss. The mere percentages of dems sitting out is probably enough to cost Obama the election.

This is also important when the media spins the early voting.

It matters very little how many Dem ballots are turned in. Which way did they vote?

Keep the following states in mind because they are high risks to vote against Obama because of their high affiliation with Hillary clinton:

West Virginia 67-26 Clinton

Rhode Island 58-40 Clinton

Ohio 54-44 Clinton

Pennsylvannia 55-45 Clinton

Florida 50-33 Clinton

Nevada 51-45 Clinton

New Hampshire 39-36 Clinton

Yeah, Obama does not need any of those states. He will be fine. This is what dems said about Obama when the primaries were over. He cannot win the key states. That is also why the national numbers cannot be reconciled to the state numbers. If it is close in the National polls and yet he has huge margins in the meaningless liberal states of Mass, NY, and Calif— how can he be doing well in the Clinton states? No one dares ask these questions.

Consider this quotation from a diehard Obama supporter analyzing this question in May of 2008:

http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/Primaries_2008_Managed_Manipulation

“By way of corroboration of this phenomenon, in public dialogue with a major-party polling consultant the following shocking admission was made: if the Democratic candidate is not leading by 10% going into the election in their internal polling, they expect the race to be a toss-up. This internal candidate polling is—unlike polls published for public consumption—intended to paint a ruthlessly accurate picture of contest dynamics to help the party prioritize expensive get-out-the-vote drives and last-minute media blitzes. The fact that even major-party pollsters must adjust their own results to account for the “mystery swing” to the right is a strong indication that much the same distorting protocol is already being employed in public pre-election polling.”


39 posted on 10/28/2008 5:19:43 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Bailee

Several states NC, and GA early voting is running 9 - 10% higher than 2004

I went to vote early today in Indy and there were so many blacks standing in line I couldn’t help but surmise about how many of them were voting for the umteenth time. At one time Marian County had registrations at 105% of eligible voters and I don’t think anyone has addressed that issue like in other states. Acorn has had their fraudulent workers all over the city.


40 posted on 10/28/2008 5:22:09 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: prolifefirst

most of us would admit that if we had to vote for ONE of them, BO or HRC, we would certainly choose the devil we know and that would be HRC. Even Sandy Burglar as Sec. of State would be a welcome alternative to whichever radical BO wants to appoint...

and imagine the SC judges he will choose!! Several mentioned were commie law professors that he admires, from Harvard or Univ. of Chicago...

BO scares the shiite out of me.


41 posted on 10/28/2008 5:22:20 PM PDT by bitt (I AM Sarah Palin.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

My senior citizen mother, God bless her, is a huge Hillary Clinton supporter. This year she’s voting for McCain. She’s very bitter about what she perceives was Obama’s theft of the nomination from Clinton.


42 posted on 10/28/2008 5:22:43 PM PDT by voiceinthewind
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No problem, Obama’s got around 70,000,000 dead people voting for him.


43 posted on 10/28/2008 5:23:56 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: 1035rep
The United States needs at least two viable parties to keep one another in check. RePO with the MSM and ACORN blessing have Hijacked/Stolen the Democratic party for an elite few.

The Moderate Dems are Pizzed and want their party back.

If BHO wins damage to the Dem party may be irreparable.
They want Join the Rep party but the Moderate Dems and Moderate Rep could join up into a Super party that includes the Ind.

After all the Republican party was created from disgruntled Democrats that had had enough.

44 posted on 10/28/2008 5:25:45 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: prolifefirst
No matter how much resentment I might feel toward McCain and his natural RINO supporters I would never vote for a Democrat. How could the PUMA’s vote for us?

Ever hear of Regan Democrats? Regan himself was a dem, and then "the party left him". So he switched. Well, different generation, but pretty much the same reasons; "the party left them", the kook fringe has taken over - thrown reason out the window. That, and I suspect a lot of them are voting for Sarah.

45 posted on 10/28/2008 5:28:34 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: cardinal4

Yes, the undecideds DO break for McCain!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/27/undecideds/


46 posted on 10/28/2008 5:31:36 PM PDT by IndianPrincessOK (McCain/Palin...2 pit bulls, one with lipstick! Pigs will fly with lipstick Nov. 4th)
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To: edpc
It will be a long 4 years to keep McCain in line, reminding him the Conservative base is his constituency; not the PUMAS and MSM.

That's what Sarah's for. To keep him honest. Or at least try. We have to do our part too.

47 posted on 10/28/2008 5:37:01 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Flamenco Lady

Pardon me for being cynical about the PUMA factor, but my own experience with McCain suggests that Ol’ Crusty’s admirers might not vote against Big Ears in the numbers we’re hoping to see.

Like many freepers I was decidedly cool to McCain, and it was only when it became a choice of a GOPer I don’t particularly like and a Democrat I detest that the former became my choice (palin helped there!).

I suspect a lot of Hillary’s supporters will revert to party form when the time comes to pull the lever. For many, voting Republican is probably only a little less distasteful than rolling in dog dirt.

But we’ll see in a few days. Sure hope I’m wrong.


48 posted on 10/28/2008 5:40:40 PM PDT by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: Petronski

I almost posted a vanity tonight and thought of you and didn’t. Lol
I instead posted my vanity as a reply to someone else’s post. I was afraid, very, very afraid. Lol


49 posted on 10/28/2008 5:55:28 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Hillary campaigning and begging her followers to vote for Obama—How many will return ?


50 posted on 10/28/2008 6:00:20 PM PDT by uncbob (es wouold realize that but iguess their arrogance)
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