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McCain Miami Rally, Getting Ugly Down Here [Two Obama Supporters Crash a McCain Rally]
FiveThirtyEight ^ | Oct. 29, 2008 | Sean Quinn

Posted on 10/29/2008 8:22:33 PM PDT by BIOCHEMKY

Look in later today for our On the Road piece from Wilmington, North Carolina. We're a bit ahead of our coverage, which occasionally happens out here with the long distances, input, output and timing demands. Tonight we'll be at the Obama-Clinton rally in Kissimmee, Florida, and we're breaking in from Miami, where John McCain just concluded his "Joe the Plumber" rally at Everglades Lumber.

After the rally, we witnessed a near-street riot involving the exiting McCain crowd and two Cuban-American Obama supporters. Tony Garcia, 63, and Raul Sorando, 31, were suddenly surrounded by an angry mob. There is a moment in a crowd when something goes from mere yelling to a feeling of danger, and that's what we witnessed. As photographers and police raced to the scene, the crowd elevated from stable to fast-moving scrum, and the two men were surrounded on all sides as we raced to the circle.

The event maybe lasted a minute, two at the most, before police competently managed to hustle the two away from the scene and out of the danger zone. Only FiveThirtyEight tracked the two men down for comment, a quarter mile down the street.

"People were screaming 'Terrorist!' 'Communist!' 'Socialist!'" Sorando said when we caught up with him. "I had a guy tell me he was gonna kill me."

Asked what had precipitated the event, "We were just chanting 'Obama!' and holding our signs. That was it. And the crowd suddenly got crazy."

Garcia told us that the man who originally had warned the two it was his property when they had first tried to attend the rally with Obama T-shirts was one of the agitators. Coming up just before the scene started getting out of hand, the man whispered in Garcia's ear, "I'm gonna beat you up the next time I see you." Garcia described him for us: "a big stocky man wearing a tweed jacket." He used hand motions to emphasize this was a large guy. We went back to look for the gentleman twenty minutes after the incident but didn't find him.

The two Obama supporters had attempted to attend the event with tickets printed from the McCain website. Both were clad in Obama T-shirts, Sorando in a blue "Obama '08" shirt, and Garcia in a white "Obama-Biden" shirt. They were told that the event was being held on private property and that wearing the shirts or carrying the signs they would be asked to either remove the shirts or not attend.

For an hour during the rally, the two had stood across the street from the lumberyard on public property holding yard signs. Some drivers honked in support, and others honked in disapproval. When the rally ended and the crowd spilled out, the disturbance began.

Garcia had a message for his stocky, tweed-clad threatener. "You tell that guy he can find Tony Garcia down at the West Dade library every day from 7 to 7 helping people early vote. I'll be there from 1 to 5 on Saturday and Sunday. You tell him if he wants to kick my ass that's where he can find me. Come beat me up."

Not thirty seconds later, John McCain drove by in his SUV and waved at Garcia on the sidewalk, who was happily waving his Obama sign.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: brownshirts; criminals; fl2008; jackboots; mccain; miama; obama; obamabots; rally; thugs
Keep in mind, the Obama supporters who had tickets to attend the McCain-Palin rally today in Miami, FL were told at the gate they could attend, but they could not wear their pro-Obama T-shirts into the event which was held on private property. The two Obama supporters decided not to attend the event, but instead, to be on a corner of public property with their "Obama Change" sign right in the way of the McCain-Palin supporters as they left the rally.
1 posted on 10/29/2008 8:22:34 PM PDT by BIOCHEMKY
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To: BIOCHEMKY

The sun is starting to come up over America again and the ‘RATS are starting to scurry about.


2 posted on 10/29/2008 8:24:31 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

Well, that isn’t the brightest move and most certainly wasn’t going to change any minds there.


3 posted on 10/29/2008 8:25:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

Two? That’s it? Two?

Should have been no problem.....


4 posted on 10/29/2008 8:26:34 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Read FR first.....THEN read Drudge.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

Part of me is beginning to think we just might win this thing.


5 posted on 10/29/2008 8:27:50 PM PDT by RockinRight (Obama who?)
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To: A CA Guy

Getting in their face is no good for conservatives, but that’s the marching orders for the Obama team.


6 posted on 10/29/2008 8:28:56 PM PDT by antceecee (McCain ~ Palin '08 May God have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

Instead of protesting outside the event like FReepers do they choose to go inside and agitate. I don’t like that style no matter which side does it.


7 posted on 10/29/2008 8:31:04 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: antceecee

They are putting themselves in the way of exiting conservatives looking to cause problems.

Most Americans can put 2+2 together, especially if they had parents at home to get the kids past public schooling.


8 posted on 10/29/2008 8:31:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: antceecee
Getting in their face is no good for conservatives, but that’s the marching orders for the Obama team.

Yeah, sounds like a suicide mission...

9 posted on 10/29/2008 8:32:32 PM PDT by THX 1138
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To: RockinRight
The exiting McCain crowd was made up of Cuban Americans as well. I believe that Everglades Lumber is an Cuban American owned business.

The two holding Obama signs should be shipped back to Castro's paradise where political freedom is punished by death. Castro & Chavez have many paid agents in South Florida. Obama does as well. Comrades all.

10 posted on 10/29/2008 8:33:00 PM PDT by SilverandBlack
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To: BIOCHEMKY

Cuban-Americans genrally have a problem with communists like Obama. They have seen this movie before. the good news is Obama will lose FL and the election.

GOTV, Donate & Volunteer.


11 posted on 10/29/2008 8:33:13 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: BIOCHEMKY

I am more confident every day that McCain will win in a landslide.


12 posted on 10/29/2008 8:33:24 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: plain talk

Instead of protesting outside the event like FReepers do they choose to go inside and agitate. I don’t like that style no matter which side does it.


You’re right. We aren’t into thuggery.


13 posted on 10/29/2008 8:33:48 PM PDT by unkus
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To: BIOCHEMKY
After the rally, we witnessed a near-street riot involving the exiting McCain crowd and two Cuban-American Obama supporters.

Just a wild guess here, but I doubt any of the Cuban-American Obama supporters were part of this group:

Cuban Soccer Players Defect to US
By Brian Wagner
Miami 13 March 2008

As many as seven members of a Cuban national soccer team are reported to have defected in the United States shortly after playing a match in the U.S. state of Florida. VOA's Brian Wagner has more from Miami.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-03/2008-03-13-voa40.cfm?CFID=58970968&CFTOKEN=36371765

14 posted on 10/29/2008 8:34:13 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY
The two Obama supporters decided not to attend the event, but instead, to be on a corner of public property with their "Obama Change" sign right in the way of the McCain-Palin supporters as they left the rally.

People could have taken a few pennies out of their pockets and handed them to the Obots and said, "Keep the change."
15 posted on 10/29/2008 8:34:33 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

“I had a guy tell me he was gonna kill me.”

Yeah, right...


16 posted on 10/29/2008 8:37:48 PM PDT by Bush Revolution ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."...Let's win this thing)
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To: pierce arrow

I’d prefer to see the losing kind.


18 posted on 10/29/2008 8:40:19 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Barack Obama is not your hip black friend)
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To: BIOCHEMKY; Admin Moderator

FIVETHIRTYEIGHT are a regular organization hosted by Keith Olbermann on a nightly basis...including this evening and they are a full on leftist group. Why bother reporting this garbage here?


19 posted on 10/29/2008 8:41:11 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: RockinRight

if pubbies are acting like that, imagine what they will do to get to the polls on election day......very encouraging.


20 posted on 10/29/2008 8:42:09 PM PDT by tioga (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.)
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To: pierce arrow
If Obama wins there will be burning and looting. If Obama loses there will be looting and burning.

The change seemed to be missing. :^}

21 posted on 10/29/2008 8:42:10 PM PDT by eyedigress ( My first 4 wheeler was on the rocks in Fairbanks)
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To: RockinRight
Yes. Reading that piece I had the same reaction. I think because our people were yelling “socialist” “commie” at them....it was focused onto something...maybe the fear that BOR talked about tonight on his tv show is starting to harden into a focused fear of the radical direction this fool might take the country. The polls are starting to move. And this event tells me our people will not let them take our country down that road. Even if it takes “strong action” to prevent it. Don't forget, a little tar and feathers help our ancestors become free in the 1776 !
22 posted on 10/29/2008 8:42:52 PM PDT by mick
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To: BIOCHEMKY

If McCain supporters were treated that way we would find it unacceptable.


23 posted on 10/29/2008 8:43:12 PM PDT by misterrob (Obam-Spreading the Wealth To Those Who Didn't Earn It.)
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To: pierce arrow

BTW your screen name is one hell of a car.


24 posted on 10/29/2008 8:43:32 PM PDT by eyedigress ( My first 4 wheeler was on the rocks in Fairbanks)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

GMA in Orlando Thursday morning at Cheyenne Saloon . Spread the word as the Obamabots will be there in full force . Show up and support McCain ...


25 posted on 10/29/2008 8:44:29 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOLUNTEER AT YOUR LOCAL REPUBLICAN OFFICE . THEY NEED YOUR HELP NOW !)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

So we will get ugly with them wherever we find them!
Payback at thier rallies. Bring the avortion with pictures signs!!!!


26 posted on 10/29/2008 8:48:30 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord!)
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To: OPS4

Abortion sorry miss print


27 posted on 10/29/2008 8:49:34 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord!)
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To: misterrob; My Favorite Headache

I direct you to #19. I thought something smelled about this report.

Thank you MFH! :)


28 posted on 10/29/2008 8:49:56 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Lancey Howard
I'm moving your way, Brother. Old Mac knows the only moment that counts in a dog fight is the last few seconds. I think he is maneuvering this punk into his sights
29 posted on 10/29/2008 8:54:26 PM PDT by mick
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To: My Favorite Headache

“FIVETHIRTYEIGHT are a regular organization hosted by Keith Olbermann on a nightly basis...including this evening and they are a full on leftist group. Why bother reporting this garbage here?”

#1) I wanted to alert people that Obama supporters will be outside McCain-Palin rallies and trying to crash McCain-Palin rallies in the days ahead, “baiting” McCain supporters to “act out” and if we know that in advance perhaps we’ll behave better.

#2) I also wanted to show how even though the Obama supporters were the ones on someone else’s turf, the story was written sympathetic to their viewpoint not that of the McCain-Palin supporters.


30 posted on 10/29/2008 9:00:55 PM PDT by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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To: unkus; plain talk; All

Face it: Our republic was founded by violence against ruthless tyranny, and it can only be defended and preserved by violence against the ruthlessness of the communists.

My main concern is not that we stoop to their level, but that we might be too late in finally realizing that WE MUST.

Neither mild-mannered milquetoasts and politeness-mongers, nor even fiery orators and sabre-rattlers, will do what is necessary. We send our red-blooded boys to shed their blood overseas, while the enemy creeps amongst us by day. Blacks riot and rampage and murder and rape almost without restraint, while border agents are jailed for attempting to do their jobs amidst an all-out drug war.

Brainwashed PC denizens cry out for civility as the jackboots of socialism are being cobbled in our current season.


31 posted on 10/29/2008 9:07:37 PM PDT by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

This is what the commies call a pseudo-event.


32 posted on 10/29/2008 9:07:58 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood (Odinga is the new Ayers.)
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To: BIOCHEMKY
Wading right into the rallies of one's opponent, and then waving signs or yelling against him, has got to be on the STUPIDEST things to do, and just a total WASTE OF TIME.

I have seen some here on FR also trying to mobilize people here to crash Obama or Biden rallies.

It is pointless. Stupid.

And both sides should just put a stop to it.

If people from either side get knuckle sandwiches for doing these kinds of things, you wont find ME calling the Whaaaaambulance...

33 posted on 10/29/2008 9:09:28 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Job One: DEFEAT OBAMA. Job Two: Win or Lose, A TOTAL De-RINOfication of the G.O.P. on all levels!!)
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To: BIOCHEMKY
Wading right into the rallies of one's opponent, and then waving signs or yelling against him, has got to be on the STUPIDEST things to do, and just a total WASTE OF TIME.

I have seen some here on FR also trying to mobilize people here to crash Obama or Biden rallies.

It is pointless. Stupid.

And both sides should just put a stop to it.

If people from either side get knuckle sandwiches for doing these kinds of things, you wont find ME calling the Whaaaaambulance...

34 posted on 10/29/2008 9:11:10 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Job One: DEFEAT OBAMA. Job Two: Win or Lose, A TOTAL De-RINOfication of the G.O.P. on all levels!!)
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To: misterrob

true...I woulda just shot both of them between the eyes with a .45....but Im pretty callous and don’t put up with idiots anymore...I’m a bit jumpy...so please excuse my behavior :)


35 posted on 10/29/2008 9:15:03 PM PDT by HuzzahSnyper
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To: BIOCHEMKY

This guys description in the comments of the differences between the Republicans and Democrats is hilarious:

Jeff NYC Dem said...
Inkstain, the differences between the parties is vast. Its the difference between the basic ideology of success.

** Republicans for the most part seek to succeed by tearing down their opponents. Democrats seek to succeed by building hope in its constituents.

** Republicans want to focus on telling people what they can’t (or shouldn’t be able to) do. Democrats want to focus on telling people what they can and should be able to do

** Republicans aim to deny people the opportunity to vote by enacting stricter identification laws under the spectre of “voter fraud”. Democrats want to make sure EVERYONE has the right to vote, regardless of their ideology or political affiliation

** Republicans preach strict interpretation of the constituion, yet conveniently ignore that the constitution does not leave room for religious ideology in the interpretation of laws. Democrats seek to interpret the constitution in a way that does not deny fundamental liberties to anyone based on arbitrary criteria

** Republicans use fear, hatred, misunderstanding and mistrust to divide people. Democrats preach diversity, tolerance, understanding and hope in an effort to bring people together.


36 posted on 10/29/2008 9:22:20 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: VigilantAmerican
Well said, FRiend. Well said.

Our people forget sometimes our true history and what it took to win our freedom. And it seems every generation has to learn again the hard lessons of history. That Might may not make Right, but it is a necessary condition for the Right to be preserved against evil. A little tar and feathers during the Revolution went a long way in molding public opinion to support the Just Cause of Liberty!

37 posted on 10/29/2008 9:30:32 PM PDT by mick
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To: misterrob
If McCain supporters were treated that way we would find it unacceptable.

I see nothing in this article that suggests that the reporter/blogger made any attempt to speak with a pro-McCain individual involved in this incident. We're only getting one side of the story.

38 posted on 10/29/2008 9:31:06 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Wondering when "The Generation That Won't Shut Up" will do so.)
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To: mick

Someone great once said something along the lines of, “The Tree of Liberty must, from time to time, be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”


39 posted on 10/29/2008 10:57:33 PM PDT by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: BIOCHEMKY

“Some drivers honked in support, and others honked in disapproval.”

How can one tell?

Garcia and Sorando need to go to Cuba and stay there. I’m sure Hugo would be glad to have them, too.


40 posted on 10/30/2008 4:51:31 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: mplsconservative

No Problem. 538 is in the tank with the MSNBC gang of smearing goons. Unreal the amount of airtime that is given to them by a cable news outlet. The people who run it look like real life zombies.


41 posted on 10/30/2008 7:41:51 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: VigilantAmerican

I have no problem in doing ever is needed and whatever works although I am not sure what you are suggesting. In this country you have to have the votes to prevail with ideas.

So our actions in order to be effective have to be focused on bringing people over from the dark side, infiltrating the media and institutions which have been given over to the enemy and most importantly recruiting conservative candidates who can communicate. Here we have a man with zero qualifications who is close to talking his way into the Oval Office.

But these idiots walking into an event to incite a mob certainly accomplishes nothing. That was my point.


42 posted on 10/30/2008 4:40:48 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: BIOCHEMKY
Sorando said when we caught up with him. "I had a guy tell me he was gonna kill me."

No, that was not me only because I was working in my garage here in Michigan.........besides, I'm the quiet type who doesn't issue threats.

43 posted on 10/30/2008 4:44:03 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Spreading manure around helps growth. Spreading wealth around creates manure)
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