Posted on 11/11/2008 11:05:45 AM PST by AndrewWalden
To Andy Martin: You may be right, but you’d do a lot better if you cut out the ridiculous self-promotion of yourself as “internet powerhouse Andy Martin”.
He might have. There were people who would say it to anyone that would listen. I said it the first time I read about this. In fact, if you want to do the digging, you can go back a month or two to my posts on this subject where I was saying the same thing.
A second year law student would have known that Berg didn't have standing. It's not like anyone was playing hide the ball.
I dont know what to think of all this. But, here’s what I do know.
It would have been the DNC’s responsibility to properly vet him. Are you confident that was done? Bho refuses to provide b.c., college records, medical records, senate records etc. This guy operates under a cloak of secrecy. Do you think that sounds fishy? More thorough vetting would have been done if federal campaign funds were accepted. Is that his reason for regecting that idea? Despite numerous lawsuits, bho cannot or will not produce a birth certificate. Instead, he choses to spend thousands to fight the charges. Again, do you think that sounds fishy?
Where the hell is our government? Do we know if, since the election, he has been properly vetted by the feds (i.e. secret service)? Does anyone care?
what does API think of Andy Martins article about Philip Berg?
What I saw published in the Chicago Tribune (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/obama_mccain_us_citizens.html) as Obama's birth certificate appears to be a computer generated abstrect of the original certificate (or a later amendment). I don't see any evidence of a forgery, and my theory is that everything in that abstract is true, but that there may be some additional information in the original or some amendment(s) which would be embarrasing to Obama (e.g. maybe someone else was originally listed as the father and/or maybe his given name was different originally), and that is why he hasn't released a copy of the original.
>>>It would have been the DNC’s responsibility to properly vet him. Are you confident that was done?
Berg’s filing included the DNC and I thought it made a good case showing it was their responsibility and showed the didn’t. But I don’t understand why Martin disagrees. Then again, I no speako the legalo.
Obama was born in Atlantis..
Fine. Please post a jpg of Obama's original, certified Hawaiian birth certificate here. I'll wait...
One of my biggest problems is that bho could’nt even qualify for security clearance to join the CIA or Secret Service and yet he’s going to be our commander-in-chief of our armed forces. Bill Clinton was the same way. He never served,like bho, but he sure will be glad to command them.
Didn’t Berg file with a September 31st date as well?
Seems to me that there are several people who want to have their names in the history books as the “One who took ‘The One” down.
Why don't you just go around the internet finding blogs posted by kindergartners and repost them on FR, because that is what you have done here.
The petition for writ of certiorari is before the SC and Obaman has until 1 Dec to file brief in opposition to the issuance of the writ.
The facts are clear, and this nonsense is just high volume noise that provides no enlightenment to anyone.
I’m hoping the opinion is more of emotion than fact.
“Actually, it costs $20. Alot cheaper than the army of lawyers Obama is paying to fight all attempts to release his birth certificate”
That’s why I found this quote from one of the documents Andy cited above very interesting:
“Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 establishes that the
signature of an attorney or party on a document filed with the court constitutes a certification that the signer has read the document, that the signer has conducted “reasonable inquiry” to ensure that the document is well grounded in fact and warranted by existing law (or a good faith argument for the modification of such law), and that the document is not being filed for any improper purpose, “such as to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation.” Fed. R.
Civ. P. 11(b). If a court finds that Rule 11 has been violated, the imposition of sanctions is mandatory. See Ross v. Jolly, 151 F.R.D. 562, 567 (E.D. Pa. 1993) (citing Project 74 Allentown, Inc. v. Frost, 143 F.R.D. 77, 83 (E.D. Pa. 1992), aff’d w/out opinion, 998 F.2d 1004 (3rd Cir. 1993)).
http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/05D0679P.pdf
Isn’t fighting the request rather than simply providing the requested document a pretty clear case of “needless increase in the cost of litigation”? If Obama’s lawyers ever actually appear before a judge, how do they explain/rationalize their behavior? Obama’s a millionaire, so maybe he doesn’t care—especially if campaign funds are being used—but doesn’t every single filing and court document/ruling ultimately cost taxpayers real money? The courts shouldn’t be used to play kindergarten games (”You can’t catch me, nanny nanny boo boo”)
Well, what I think is that we still have to get Obama’s real birth certificate on the record. The only reason why I can see that Obama won’t release it is either it shows he was born in another country, or it shows he’s got a different daddy (than what he says...)...
All of his documents are sealed. School docs are sealed and they probably show country of birth is Kenya.
O used his goons and the Tribune newspaper to unsealed the divorce of Paul Ryan to smear him. The ex-Mrs. Ryan asked the court to keep the documents sealed. He knows this game.
Please don’t change the subject. This has nothing to do with me.
I am very much aware of all the good that Andy Martin has done over the years, and you note that I stayed well clear of ANY criticism of Andy except for his Hawaii foray.
If you wish to offer a relevant comment, I would always be receptive.
I do not know why AndrewWalden wrote what he wrote in the subject line, but it is true that Andy Martin believes that BHO was born in Hawaii.
The reason Martin questions "Obama's birth certificate and family history" is that he says BHO's father was not Barack Hussein Sr. but was Frank Marshall Davis.
See:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112695/posts
Part Three: Barack Obama Is Not Barack Obama
Contrarian Commentary ^ | October 22, 2008 | Andy Martin
Berg's work is "competition" to Martin's pet theory.
I don’t know the answer to that, but given this clown’s other conduct, I wouldn’t be shocked.
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