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Still NO birth certificate? (Scorecard)
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Posted on 11/12/2008 4:41:05 PM PST by Smokeyblue

The United States Constitution

The Constitution of the United States of America specifies that the President of the United States must be a 'natural born' citizen. Barak Obama has NOT produced a certified copy of his ORIGINAL 1961 birth certificate that was prepared at the time of birth.

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An Abstract? All he has produced is a laser printed ABSTRACT that was printed out on June 6, 2007. This abstract is just a summary of what Hawaii has on their computers. There is MORE information relevant to the matter on the ORIGINAL 1961 long form birth certificate.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: arrogance; bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; certigate; colb; narcisism; obama; obamagate; supremecourt; tyrants
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I found this site on the Democratic Disaster site. It is a scorecard of the cases, and other attempts to get Obama to release his vault birth certificate.

Also, It looks like the collection for the "We The People Ad" for USA Today is up to $13,961.54. They need $90,000 total.

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/Obama-USATODAY-Total.htm

1 posted on 11/12/2008 4:41:05 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Without looking at the scorecard...let me guess

The Constitution is batting 0 for 99 versus Obama.


2 posted on 11/12/2008 4:46:25 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Smokeyblue

Circumstances of Open Dislosure or CHANGE to Complete Deceit?

1. No living witnesses attest to his birth in Hawaii (Grandmother, Doctors, Nurses, Friends or Neighbors)

2. Refusal to disclose the Original Birth Certificate after numerous requests.

3. No infant or early childhood photos with mother, father, grandparents, or friends in any location.

4. No early school records of documentation on record with the DOE in Hawai, although he appears in the group class photograph.

5. No release of medical records that could trace to circumstances of birth.

6. No educational records released, all secondary education records sealed.

7. No records of adoption, name change, or explanation for use of several names.

8. Video testimony of high school friend (Blake) who explains he travelled through Washingtom State as a newborn enroute to Harvard to join a father who oddly did not attend Harvard until the following year.

9. Testimony of a Kenyan Grandmother and two half siblings who state he was born in Kenya, but now refuse to be interviewed?

10. Documentation that lists him by another name than his current name while enrolled in school in Indonesia?

11. Three separate breaches of his Passport file by independent contractors to the State Department in January & February ‘08 conducted by his campaign donors?

12. Personal attempts to slide verbage into unecessary Senate Resolution 511 that would have granted natural-born status retroactively to infants born abroad to all single US citizens regardless of circumstance?

13. Allowing forged copies of his purported COLB to stand on Democrat websites?

14. Numerous descrepancies regarding dates and locations that differ from the original biographies presented to the general public.

15. Spending millions of dollars hiring teams of Constitutional lawyers to fight the disclosure of the original BC in multiple states and levels of jurisdiction up through the Supreme Court of the United States?

I’m sure there is a very good and simple honest explanation for all of this.************************************************


3 posted on 11/12/2008 4:46:28 PM PST by Gemsbok (Will the real Barry Dunham, Barry Soetoro, Barack J. Obama, Barack Husein Obama...please stand up?)
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To: Smokeyblue

STFU noob I’d like to see it...


4 posted on 11/12/2008 4:51:32 PM PST by allmost
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To: Smokeyblue
Link to make donation
5 posted on 11/12/2008 4:53:49 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: allmost

I want to see his certificate too! That’s why I’m posting.


6 posted on 11/12/2008 4:54:55 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
Barak Obama has NOT produced a certified copy of his ORIGINAL 1961 birth certificate that was prepared at the time of ...

Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

7 posted on 11/12/2008 4:58:48 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk
Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

Their citizenship was not under question.

8 posted on 11/12/2008 5:00:54 PM PST by BloodOrFreedom
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To: Gemsbok

Who was the doctor in HI who delivered O?

No one knows anything. No one remembers anything.

No records, no pictures, nothing. We knew everything about Bush, his grades, screw up and everything. Nothing.

No conservative talk show hosts with any guts to ask. Savage is screaming about the fairness doctrine and call Schumer and Feinstein nazis. Why won’t he put Leo on his show and Berg again?

Is our side laying low for a suprise or have they surrendered. I get tired of getting hit up by the GOP for money. Tonight I gave a little to Coleman to try to save his seat that Franken is stealing.


9 posted on 11/12/2008 5:01:11 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: plain talk
Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

But McCain produced his when questions were asked. Obama has a team of lawyers in order to keep from showing his.

10 posted on 11/12/2008 5:06:54 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: plain talk

>>>Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

Name ONE that refused to present the necessary documents when asked.

Name ONE that you suspect was not a natural born citizen.

42 were not asked??? I find that very hard to believe.

McCain was asked... he IMMEDIATELY complied.


11 posted on 11/12/2008 5:07:10 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Smokeyblue

Mr. Obama has a United States passport.

To get that credential , he had to show his birth certificate or other satisfactory evidence of citizenship.

Shouldn’t that be on file with the federal government?


12 posted on 11/12/2008 5:09:10 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: plain talk

The system is broken and open to exploitation. Roger Calero made it on to several state’s ballots as a socialist candidate and is an admitted non citizen. When that happens it means that a lot of people are not doing their jobs or simply ignoring the constitution.


13 posted on 11/12/2008 5:11:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: plain talk

I’d like to see proof of this claim.

If even one of them established citizenship, then you’re argument falls apart....go tell your kos butt boys.


14 posted on 11/12/2008 5:13:29 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: I_Like_Spam
To get that credential , he had to show his birth certificate or other satisfactory evidence of citizenship.

Actually that isn't true. Until very recently there was a loophole that allowed someone to vouch for another in cases where there were no records. It was in a thread earlier today, I'll track it down and ping you to the post.
15 posted on 11/12/2008 5:14:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: I_Like_Spam

Prove it.


16 posted on 11/12/2008 5:14:26 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: Smokeyblue
Barak Obama has NOT produced a certified copy of his ORIGINAL 1961 birth certificate that was prepared at the time of ...

Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

17 posted on 11/12/2008 5:18:05 PM PST by plain talk
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To: I_Like_Spam

Whoopsie

Letter of no record post number 76

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2130641/posts


18 posted on 11/12/2008 5:21:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: plain talk
Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

Did GW have a Kenyan step grandmother that said she was there when he was born in Kenya?

19 posted on 11/12/2008 5:24:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: plain talk

Was the citizenship status of any of them in doubt? Were any of them asked to produce one?

And official BCs may not have been in use 200 years ago. And name me one president or candidate for president who had carefully sealed/erased/hidden every single bit of official information about his past, except of course two semifiction books about his life (most likely ghost written by someone else).


20 posted on 11/12/2008 5:25:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: I_Like_Spam
Other documents besides the birth certificate could be used until recently.

How does anyone know that Obama actually had a passport? Maybe the other countries were willing to waive the requirement since they love him so much. Our country seems willing to waive Constitutional requirements for the Messiah it appears to me.

21 posted on 11/12/2008 5:26:09 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BloodOrFreedom
Their citizenship was not under question.

The only people questioning Obama's citizenship are the handful of disgruntled keyboard commandos unable to accept that he won and that the American people gave a resounding, well-deserved vote of "no confidence" to the Republican Party.

Remember Sore/Loserman? That's what the BC people are looking like right now. It's really embarrassing.

Instead of chasing this "USSC will disqualify Obama and make McCain the president" pipe dream, maybe we need to clean our own house, figure out what went wrong, correct it and win future elections by offering a better alternative.

22 posted on 11/12/2008 5:26:29 PM PST by Drew68
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To: I_Like_Spam

>Mr. Obama has a United States passport.<

If you have enough cash, you can BUY a US passport anywhere in Europe or the Far East. What do you think is happening to the many US passports that disappear each day?


23 posted on 11/12/2008 5:27:50 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Drew68

Well Drew, the BC issue has been going on for more than a year.
Barry will not produce this simple document, the question is why?


24 posted on 11/12/2008 5:34:22 PM PST by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: Drew68
Remember Sore/Loserman? That's what the BC people are looking like right now. It's really embarrassing.

Tough. Roger Calero made it onto several state's ballots as the socialist party presidential candidate and he admits to being a non citizen. Had he won the election would you be OK with that too?
25 posted on 11/12/2008 5:36:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: little jeremiah

You’re preaching to the choir. Enough of this whining. Until someone with some authority authorizes a process to force Obama to produce a birth certificate he won’t - just like the 43 previous Presidents didn’t produce any “documentation”. We at the grassroots level have to channel this frustration into some legal or legislative process to force the issue. All previous Presidents had established family histories. A BC was not required. This is unprecented and requires an unprecented process which doesn’t exist. The very fact we even question a President being a natural born citizen is incredible to me.


26 posted on 11/12/2008 5:37:00 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Smokeyblue

So what happens if his blood type is not the blood type of the man himself? Could it be that the original Barry was buried shortly after birth and the current POTUS is an impostor from Kenya?


27 posted on 11/12/2008 5:38:39 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Gemsbok

Yes, 0Bama is not a legal candidate. But it does not matter - nobody in Washington, and no political official in any other jurisdiction will support the Constitution - it is a dead instrument.


28 posted on 11/12/2008 5:39:57 PM PST by GregoryFul
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To: plain talk

plain talk....you can make that statement over and over and over and over if you wan’t...the fact that you can’t prove it makes you a troll and troublemaker. Once again mr kos buddy...if one previous president can prove citizenship then your argument falls apart completely and we’re back to square one which is...why won’t obama produce a BC?


29 posted on 11/12/2008 5:46:11 PM PST by Doug TX
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To: plain talk
Neither did George W. Bush and 42 previous Presidents.

I'm not sure how you know this.

At least since 1933 the 20th Amendment has been in effect which seems to me to require the President-elect to have to "qualify." Certainly if I were President-elect, it would probably bother me less to produce my birth-cirtificate to "qualify" than it does to have to produce one here in NJ to get a Drivers' License. I would also be happy to provide evidence that I have resided here for more than 14 years.

ML/NJ

30 posted on 11/12/2008 5:50:16 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: svcw
Well Drew, the BC issue has been going on for more than a year.

And if there was any legitimacy to the issue, Hillary with her millions of dollars and army of investigators at her disposal would have crushed Obama over it. If there was one thing the Clintons were good at, it was finding dirt on their enemies. They just happened to overlook that Hillary's most formidable opponent might not be a native born citizen? I'm not buying it and neither is anyone else save for a small handful of conspiracy theorists on the internet.

31 posted on 11/12/2008 5:53:20 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
The only people questioning Obama's citizenship are the handful of disgruntled keyboard commandos unable to accept that he won and that the American people gave a resounding, well-deserved vote of "no confidence" to the Republican Party.

Maybe others should be questioning him considering the shroud of mystery that envelopes his past.

Instead of chasing this "USSC will disqualify Obama and make McCain the president" pipe dream, maybe we need to clean our own house, figure out what went wrong, correct it and win future elections by offering a better alternative.

Yes, we definitely need to better shape our own party to represent our desires, however, the Constitution states the requirements for the POTUS, and when confronted, Obama danced around the accusations and questions regarding his citizenship which raises questions as to his legitimacy.

We cannot have a president in office who does not hold an American citizen status. That is catastrophic to the nation and is a blatant breach of the Constitution. That cannot be allowed. We cannot compromise our beliefs and our most sacred-held tradition and document--the Constitution

32 posted on 11/12/2008 5:53:25 PM PST by BloodOrFreedom
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To: Drew68

Better alternative doesn’t matter if the Constitution is worthless, foreign illegal donations have a blind eye turned towards them, ACORN and illegitimate votes ditto, the MSM continues to be nothing but prostitutes for the left. You could put the ideal conservative candidate against leftist slime and the chances are that the leftist slime might still win. It’s now a rigged game.

Plus, McCain Palin were a better alternative than Hussein. Not the best but certainly better. And now with Dems in charge, they can bend/break laws and make new ones to insure that they can continue to and increase fraud, lying and theft. They make the rulse and conservatives can continually lose.


33 posted on 11/12/2008 5:54:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: I_Like_Spam
Mr. Obama has a United States passport.

Actually, right now, I would guess Obama has a Diplomatic Passport which is probably issued under very different rules from the ones you and I must comply with. But even if he only had an ordinary Passport, many people who are not Constitutionally eligible to be President can legally obtain a US Passport. My father was one such person.

ML/NJ

34 posted on 11/12/2008 5:55:53 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Drew68

Your are way off base with the SoreLoserman reference. This man who was elected by 52% of this country has no backround. My gosh, he couldn’t get a job babysitting. If he has nothing to hide why not get the BC, it’s really easy to do. All of us have to produce our birth certificates at some point or another.

Is in not really creepy that he does not appear of have any friends that remember him growing up, nobody remembers him in college, everything is sealed? Yet if the press wanted to they could find out what kind of tooth paste Joe the Plummer uses.

Obama gives me chill bumps.


35 posted on 11/12/2008 6:13:09 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Drew68
All I know is David Souter has said Barry needs to produce the BC by Dec 1, 2008. Will he?
36 posted on 11/12/2008 6:13:32 PM PST by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: svcw

Um, no, justice Souter only required that Barry respond to the pleading by Dec1. The Obama stonewalling has not been addressed.


37 posted on 11/12/2008 6:20:36 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: plain talk

There is much, with regard to this election, that has seemed incredible to me.


38 posted on 11/12/2008 6:32:13 PM PST by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: I_Like_Spam

You don’t have to be a natural born citizen to get a passport.


39 posted on 11/12/2008 6:42:36 PM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: Frantzie
We knew everything about Bush, his grades, screw up and everything.

That's so true. There's even a movie. Minute details of his life. We also knew tidbits about Clinton, too.

40 posted on 11/12/2008 6:45:53 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Smokeyblue

Who really thinks that Obama went down to Hawaii the last time to visit his dying grandmother?

I think his first priority there was to secure his birth certificate documents with the aid of the the officials there.

But why?


41 posted on 11/12/2008 6:54:16 PM PST by tcw_laj4ALL (I'm a McPal Gal... Biden as VP?! Gag me! Up-Chuck!)
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To: Drew68
"The only people questioning Obama's citizenship are the handful of disgruntled keyboard commandos unable to accept that he won and that the American people gave a resounding, well-deserved vote of "no confidence" to the Republican Party."

No, all the clear-thinking patriotic Americans voted for McCain. All those fools like the liberals, illegals, and apathetic idiots voted for Obama- Obama stole the election in that way. Thanks Obama- Thanks ACORN. You all will no doubt screw up our country.

42 posted on 11/12/2008 6:59:29 PM PST by tcw_laj4ALL (I'm a McPal Gal... Biden as VP?! Gag me! Up-Chuck!)
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To: tcw_laj4ALL

And the Lame MSM put on blinders and kneepads.


43 posted on 11/12/2008 7:12:22 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

If it were to come out that Obama was actually born in Kenya (as his paternal grandmother said he was) then the MSM would try to sweep it under the rug. If Obama were kicked out of office (I still hope for a scenario such as this) because he doesn’t meet the requirements for being a president of the U.S., then the MSM would be very sympathetic to him, and they would do everything they can to minimize the scandal in the news. They are such drones, so intent on their radical liberal agenda, that they would not acknowledge Obama’s lies or deceptions, and their own guilt in covering up the truth about him.


44 posted on 11/12/2008 7:20:33 PM PST by tcw_laj4ALL (I'm a McPal Gal... Biden as VP?! Gag me! Up-Chuck!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Oh, the media’s action was far more pernicious than blinders. The four estate willingly turned fifth column enemy of We The People, working to prevent proper vetting of this little Marxist squirrel. The media are now the enemy within. But, hunting season is comin’ soon. Deer is here and turkey will plentiful I hear.


45 posted on 11/12/2008 7:35:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

“Oh, the media’s action was far more pernicious than blinders. The four estate willingly turned fifth column enemy of We The People”

You are absolutely correct! I’ve never seen anything like it before. The bias has always been bad but it’s off the charts (into complicit evil) now.

It’s like they have “We The People” on the ground with their boot on our throat and trying to suffocate us.


46 posted on 11/12/2008 7:43:14 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: tcw_laj4ALL

I guess he hasn’t gone back to Hawaii after she died because he did what he needed to do with the birth certificate.

Check out these shenanigans by the Clerk.
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

A stay is injunctive relief. I wonder if the Clerk is trying to pull this latest stunt in order to save his ass.


47 posted on 11/12/2008 7:48:16 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: TNoldman

You don’t have to be a natural born citizen to get a passport.

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That I certainly understand. However, whatever evidence that was offered of Obama’s citizenship to get the passport should be on file. If he didn’t offer evidence, that should be recorded as well.

He definitely does have a passport, if you’ll remember the story earlier in the year when a State Dept. worker was fired for looking at his records.


48 posted on 11/12/2008 7:52:08 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: Doug TX
makes you a troll and troublemaker

Well I've been here for 10 years. Always good to do one's homework at Free Republic before making such statements, newbie.

49 posted on 11/12/2008 8:15:02 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

George Bush and 42 previous presidents were known American citizens.
There was no reason to question them.
There ARE reasons to question Obama.


50 posted on 11/12/2008 8:33:18 PM PST by patriot08
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