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A "Big Tent" Republican, IMO, is a RINO!
11-14-08 | philman_36

Posted on 11/14/2008 5:34:13 AM PST by philman_36

Apparently "Fox and Friends" were having some of the Republican governors on their show today after their meeting in Florida.I didn't get to catch all of their guests but I did tune in just in time to see Charlie Christ's interview. As I was watching him and listening to him speak I realized that there was an easy way to spot a RINO.

To paraphrase Gov. Christ..."I want a GOP that's inclusive. I want to allow anything and anyone under the big tent."

Well guess what, Gov. Christ, conservatism is inclusive, with a caveat. Conservatives want to associate with other conservatives no matter their race or ethnicity. The key there is conservatism. Without that base of shared beliefs and values what you get is a shifting foundation whereupon nothing can be built. "Inclusiveness" will get the GOP exactly what they have now, a watered down GOP that will continue to lose it's base because people like you are willing to sacrifice their conservative base at the altar of political correctness. Your "Big Tent" compromise is what turned the GOP into the laughing stock of conservatives everywhere and you are yet one more Republican who just doesn't seem to get it.

Perhaps you should listen to the man who was on the show before you who espoused conservatism. I didn't get to see or listen to him, but he did get a mention so I know he was on with, according to the hostess, a completely different view...called conservatism.


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Did anybody see or catch the name of the guy on before Christ? I'd like to know who that was.
1 posted on 11/14/2008 5:34:13 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36

I don’t know, but like you - I did tune in in time to see Crist & his “big tent” speech. If this is the way the party is going, they can count me out.


2 posted on 11/14/2008 5:39:06 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: philman_36
"I want a GOP that's inclusive. I want to allow anything and anyone under the big tent."

I support mandatory sex-change operations for kindergardners (state funded, of course), so I feel very welcome in the GOP now. I expect you'll all work with me to advance this wonderful cause.

Owl_Eagle

“When the stock market crashed,
Franklin Roosevelt got on the television
and didn’t just talk about
the princes of greed, he said,
‘Look, here’s what happened.’"
-Slow Joe Biden

3 posted on 11/14/2008 5:39:41 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: philman_36

When you have a Big Tent, you end up with a three ring circus and even the doofuses who run the circus have enough sense to keep the wild animals in a cage outside the tent.


4 posted on 11/14/2008 5:44:17 AM PST by elli1
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To: philman_36

Since the election, the RNC spokespeople have been using that “bigger tent” line.

They are even saying that the Republican Party should run on spending MORE and creating bigger government.

They are so clueless. No wonder they lost in ‘06. No wonder they lost in ‘08. At this rate, they are going to give the Dems supermajorities in both chambers in ‘10.

==

If conservatives do not get control of the RNC and change its direction, they might as well hang it up or find a new home. The GOP, as is, is a lost cause.


5 posted on 11/14/2008 5:45:09 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: alicewonders
If this is the way the party is going, they can count me out.
IMO, and strictly IMO, this was one of the means in which the GOP is "feeling out" their fellow Americans.
You send out two different people with contrasting views and see which one "sticks".
Unfortunately, the fewer who comment on threads/blogs like this one means IMO, and strictly IMO, that they'll take it that Big Tent inclusiveness" wins out.
I'm hoping, like you, that maintaining a conservative belief system will prevail.
6 posted on 11/14/2008 5:45:44 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Owl_Eagle
I was trying to be serious for once, but I love the humor and get your drift. {;^)
7 posted on 11/14/2008 5:47:54 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36

I’m all for being a “big tent” - on OUR terms. In other words, we hold to our principles, and the moderates come to US, not the other way around.


8 posted on 11/14/2008 5:49:24 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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The Republican Party can be a big tent. However, conservatives are the poles that hold up that tent. We all need to remember that while they are entitled to use our tent as shelter for their cocktail party, counting on them to hold up the tent will only result in the collapse of the entire structure.


9 posted on 11/14/2008 5:52:35 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: philman_36

I mean, how much more proof do they need? I know that donations were way down until the DAY that McCain picked Sarah Palin & then they jumped way up! Can they not see the crowds she pulled? It is willful ignorance on their part. Maybe these RINOs really are Democrat plants - infiltrating to kill the party.

If that’s the case, it’s working magnificently.


10 posted on 11/14/2008 5:53:07 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: elli1
When you have a Big Tent, you end up with a three ring circus and even the doofuses who run the circus have enough sense to keep the wild animals in a cage outside the tent.
Apparently some of those "doofuses" running the circus want to let the animals lose inside the tent!
11 posted on 11/14/2008 5:53:24 AM PST by philman_36
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To: elli1
When you have a Big Tent, you end up with a three ring circus and even the doofuses who run the circus have enough sense to keep the wild animals in a cage outside the tent.

Well, the 800 pound gorilla escaped from his cage & is sitting in the middle of the tent.

12 posted on 11/14/2008 5:55:19 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: TomGuy
Since the election, the RNC spokespeople have been using that “bigger tent” line.
Which is exactly what prompted me to start this thread.
As I said earlier, IMO they're "feeling out" their fellow Americans/Republicans as to which direction they ought to go.
It's also giving us an insight into them. I won't be supportive of Christ for anything for damned sure.
At least they had on both viewpoints this morning, though I missed the other guy's interview.
13 posted on 11/14/2008 5:59:59 AM PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36
There is merit behind having a “big tent” as long as you don't have an infinitely large tent.

There are lots of conservatives even here that I disagree with on some issues. There are many protectionists here, and I disagree with them (I support free markets), but that doesn't negate the dozens of things we agree on... small government, lower taxes, strong national defense, etc. Similarly, there are conservatives that have different views than I do about what to do about illegal immigration. That doesn't mean they aren't conservative. I think the key is to have an approach that is consistent with conservative principles, then we can discuss it. But to insist on lock-step agreement on every program idea is stifling and divisive.

I'm getting a little weary of the “RINO” charge (nice pun) being leveled against everyone in the news for a single comment. Conservatives of one ilk have to work with conservatives of another ilk to accomplish those things we agree on. The insistence on purity, defined only by “they agree with me on everything” is destructive.

One can disagree on individual issues, but we must, as a group and party, focus on those things we agree on without all the rancor. Again, I think the basis or a conservative party is whether an idea, program, position, or solution is rooted in conservative principles. Then a meaningful discussion about the differences in positions can take place.

It is political suicide to tell people they have to agree with me on everything before they can be part of my party.

14 posted on 11/14/2008 6:00:05 AM PST by TN4Liberty (The first amendment doesn't end with "...as long as nobody is offended.")
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To: philman_36

I like Charlie Crist as possibly then next GOP nominee. To be sure, he isn’t an extreme conservative as many people would prefer, but he has appeal to Independent voters.

Hopefully, he will be married and have kids by the 2012 election.

Being a right-wing ideologue is a bridge to nowhere, we need someone who knows it is 2008, not 1988.


15 posted on 11/14/2008 6:00:42 AM PST by WilliamReading
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Crist is a johnboy light,almost Arnie. No way Crist would win a GOP primary here in Florida. Thank God for the conservative GOP governors.

Arnie,Crist and Pawlenty are OUT in my book.


16 posted on 11/14/2008 6:03:56 AM PST by libbylu
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To: alicewonders

This is exactly what I was talking about in posts a few day ago - If you aren’t 100% in agreement then no need to apply. For example, I AM north of 90% conservative - I don’t agree with school vouchers at the cost of the school of your choice, thus I feel that I would NOT be welcomed. I am however, in favor of a voucher in the amount of property tax that you pay that goes to the school district in which you live - I pay 4500 in property taxes and about 3800 goes to the school district and I only feel that if I wanted a voucher that it should only be for 3800. Let the flaming begin.


17 posted on 11/14/2008 6:04:38 AM PST by Cyclone59
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I’m all for being a “big tent” - on OUR terms. In other words, we hold to our principles, and the moderates come to US, not the other way around.
I tried to say pretty much the same thing here...

"...conservatism is inclusive, with a caveat. Conservatives want to associate with other conservatives no matter their race or ethnicity. The key there is conservatism. Without that base of shared beliefs and values what you get is a shifting foundation whereupon nothing can be built."

18 posted on 11/14/2008 6:05:05 AM PST by philman_36
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
...counting on them to hold up the tent will only result in the collapse of the entire structure.
In my world if you can't pull your own weight you hit the bricks! I haven't got time for lollygagging.
19 posted on 11/14/2008 6:08:11 AM PST by philman_36
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To: alicewonders
It is willful ignorance on their part.
Isn't it!
20 posted on 11/14/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by philman_36
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