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5 Myths About Obama's Win
The Patriot Room ^ | November 16, 2008 | Bill Dupray

Posted on 11/16/2008 7:39:41 AM PST by Bill Dupray

There Something About Sarah.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; bho2008; election; myths; obama; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 11/16/2008 7:39:41 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: Bill Dupray

Bingo. Many conservatives were voting for 2 reasons in this election: (1) Get Sarah Palin in the Vice-President’s mansion, and (2) Deny the White House to a radical Marxist. The identity of the Republican nominee was irrelevant. Had McCain not picked Palin, this election would have been a bloodbath.
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Spot on. Exactly.


2 posted on 11/16/2008 7:43:51 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA; Bill Dupray

I’m in complete agreement.


3 posted on 11/16/2008 7:47:14 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: EagleUSA
If you believe in capitalism, you tell the American people that the Democrats in Congress caused the financial meltdown by manipulating the market with their Socialist everybody-can-own-a-home policies. You don’t rail against the “greed of Wall Street.”

McCain lost the election when he didn't mention the above in debate number one. It was Sarah's weak point too.

4 posted on 11/16/2008 7:48:07 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: EagleUSA

If McLame didn’t pick Palin, I was prepared to declare it the end of the world and help usher it in by voting the Zero.


5 posted on 11/16/2008 7:48:27 AM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: EagleUSA

I’ve decided to vote Conservative and not Republican. This party-loyalty strategy is proving to be counter-productive. The conservative philosophy is losing to party loyalty.


6 posted on 11/16/2008 7:50:59 AM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: Bill Dupray
Bulls-eye - Sarahcuda the conservative savior and doing what I can to stop the marxist... that's why my wife and I voted.
7 posted on 11/16/2008 7:52:03 AM PST by plsjr (one of His <>< for Sarahcuda - "Diversity" is an excuse to accept the worst. Choose the best.)
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To: FreeReign

McCain lost the election when he didn’t mention the above in debate number one. It was Sarah’s weak point too.
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Yes, and McCain held her back. We know that much. It was a pathetically weak campaign.


8 posted on 11/16/2008 7:52:15 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: FreeReign

That was his one opportunity to pin the entire economy on the Democrats in a year when the economy was the dominant issue. He blew it because he is a feckless moderate who is more interested in getting along with his opponents than he is with doing the right thing to help the country.

Sarah would have beaten the Dems like a rented mule with the Fannie/Freddie issue, but McCain was giving the orders and all she could so was salute and carry them out. No choice on that.


9 posted on 11/16/2008 7:54:44 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: Bill Dupray
Basically, I agree with all 5 points. Specifically, McCain didn't do two things he needed to do.
Prove the economic disaster was the result of socialist engineering by the DemonRATs, and explain how dropping taxes on businesses and top earners was the only way to create jobs.
10 posted on 11/16/2008 7:54:49 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 12)
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To: gitmo
Apply DManA's RAZOR -
Does the candidate believe in reducing government? Vote for that candidate
Does the candidate believe in increasing government? Do NOT vote for that candidate.
11 posted on 11/16/2008 7:59:47 AM PST by DManA
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To: plsjr
Bulls-eye - Sarahcuda the conservative savior and doing what I can to stop the marxist... that's why my wife and I voted.

My wife and I are in complete agreement and voted for exactly the same reasons. We'll have to get together for tea some time ...if that's allowed under a Marxist regime.

12 posted on 11/16/2008 8:00:42 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier ("...the problem with socialism is the unequal distribution of misery." -Churchill)
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To: Crazieman
If McLame didn’t pick Palin, I was prepared to declare it the end of the world and help usher it in by voting the Zero.

Jindal would have motivated the base as well, and may have helped McCain a bit more than even Sarah did. Unfortunately, Sarah's couple of weak interview performances put some doubt into voters.

13 posted on 11/16/2008 8:04:32 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Bill Dupray
2. A wave of black voters and young people was the key to Obama’s victory.

Or not. Exit polling suggests that there was no statistically significant increase in voting among either group. Black voters made up 11 percent of the electorate in 2004 and 13 percent in 2008, while young voters comprised 17 percent of all voters in 2004 and 18 percent four years later.

I have a problem with this myth. You have a 2% increase in black voters and a 1% increase in young voters- that's 3% and McCain lost by 4%. It would have been much closer if not for those 2 groups.

14 posted on 11/16/2008 8:06:22 AM PST by zeebee
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To: EagleUSA
Yes, and McCain held her back. We know that much. It was a pathetically weak campaign.

'pathetically weak' is even an understatement. If it wasn't for Joe the Plumber finally making some sense of what Obama was proposing, McCain would have lost by much more.

15 posted on 11/16/2008 8:06:27 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

Agree with that. You know you are in trouble when your candidate is such an idiot that a plumber from Ohio can better articulate capitalist economic principles.


16 posted on 11/16/2008 8:08:38 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: The Citizen Soldier

Not tea.

Victory Gin.


17 posted on 11/16/2008 8:08:44 AM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Always Right

Yes, and even with the great assist from Joe the Plumber the McCain campaign was still inept at shredding Obambi’s “tax policy” — they still carried out the debate on Obama’s turf, allowing the claim that “95%” would see a tax cut or everyone under “$250,000” so then the Obamanators and Media were able to make fun of Joe the Plumber.

It should have been made clear that the “95%” was a dishonest number pulled out of David Axelrod’s ass for campaign purposes, and that in reality Obama would raise taxes on a far wider range of Americans, especially with his huges wish list of nearly $1 trillion in new programs.


18 posted on 11/16/2008 8:12:56 AM PST by Enchante (Thanks, Mediascum, you "elected" your candidate and now the country will pay....)
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To: Bill Dupray

I had pretty much zero interest in voting for McCain.

He got Sarah Palin on board and I was all in.

I think that had a lot to do with his loss not being a complete lopsided mess.


19 posted on 11/16/2008 8:15:03 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Bill Dupray

Had McCain not chosen Governor Palin, I might have written Porky Pig or Bugs Bunny—but not Mickey Mouse, who is registered as a Democrat in Florida.


20 posted on 11/16/2008 8:15:53 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Bill Dupray

My heart sank when I heard McCain say he was suspending his campaign to go back to Washington. I knew it was over then.


21 posted on 11/16/2008 8:18:23 AM PST by Ditter
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To: zeebee
I have a problem with this myth. You have a 2% increase in black voters and a 1% increase in young voters- that's 3% and McCain lost by 4%. It would have been much closer if not for those 2 groups.

Yes. With 3% less of the vote, Obama probably would have lost IN, OH, VA, NC and FL.

Obama's margin of victory would have been by one state, such as CO.

22 posted on 11/16/2008 8:19:33 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Enchante

“...in reality Obama would raise taxes on a far wider range of Americans, especially with his huge wish list of nearly $1 trillion in new programs.”

yep....here it is again, cached before they scrubbed his website of it.....

http://changelost.com/urban_policy.html


23 posted on 11/16/2008 8:20:42 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Bill Dupray
McCain was a moderate (Democrat-Lite) and moderates lose because they are unable to draw crisp distinctions between themselves and their opponents. Also, moderates do not have a coherent governing philosophy.
24 posted on 11/16/2008 8:21:33 AM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: Bill Dupray

If Palin was in charge of the campaign, they would have done much better. McCain lacked any real fighting spirit, he was unenthusiastic as far as I am concerned. He had a potential Margaret Thatcher and he didn’t use her to her full capabilities. She needs plenty of face time if she is going to go for the 2012 game. With her present popularity she may even consider some world traveling. Go Sarah, you can do it!


27 posted on 11/16/2008 8:23:08 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Bill Dupray

Interesting article...and I agree with it in general.

McCain was a bad campaigner and was too liberal on many issues...and yes if someone other than Palin was the VP pick it definitely would be a 50 state slaughter for McCain

Probably the only problem with the article was that it didnt mention McCain losing the Hispanic vote, 2 to 1, to Obama...when McCain was the more liberal of the two on illegal alien amnesty


28 posted on 11/16/2008 8:23:29 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (2010: A RINO Purge Odyssey)
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To: Enchante
Yes, and even with the great assist from Joe the Plumber the McCain campaign was still inept at shredding Obambi’s “tax policy” — they still carried out the debate on Obama’s turf, allowing the claim that “95%” would see a tax cut or everyone under “$250,000” so then the Obamanators and Media were able to make fun of Joe the Plumber.

And Obama's #1 arguement about Bush's failed policies and tax cuts for the rich and McCain just more of the same was never effectively answered. Bush's tax cut was not for the rich, it was across the board, and if anything kept us out of recession through such huge disasters as 9-11 and katrina. It is amazing we did not suffer a recession through Bush's two terms.

29 posted on 11/16/2008 8:26:17 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

media. Media. Media. All again McCain ... Misinformation and negativity from news sources.


30 posted on 11/16/2008 8:28:19 AM PST by Ceoman
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To: EagleUSA

Ditto.


31 posted on 11/16/2008 8:29:14 AM PST by gigster
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To: UCFRoadWarrior; All

re: Hispanic vote

One thing I haven’t seen written about since the election, and it was barely mentioned before Nov. 4, was that Obama was running ads in Spanish that totally distorted McCain’s actual positions (whatever we may think of them), making him out to be really hostile to the Hispanic sector of the electorate. Does anyone else remember anything about that? It’s gone down the Mediascum memoryhole, but that may have been a big factor if enough millions of Hispanics were reached by that message and believed that McCain was hostile to them. I think it was a real Axelrod hit-job that went unanswered, but I haven’t seen too much about it.


32 posted on 11/16/2008 8:29:17 AM PST by Enchante (Thanks, Mediascum, you "elected" your candidate and now the country will pay....)
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To: Bill Dupray

bttt


33 posted on 11/16/2008 8:31:24 AM PST by petercooper (1/20/13 - Change I can believe in.)
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To: LiberConservative; Bill Dupray

SO true, McCain was Obama-lite on plenty of issues and voters figured why not just have the real thing.


34 posted on 11/16/2008 8:32:07 AM PST by Enchante (Thanks, Mediascum, you "elected" your candidate and now the country will pay....)
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To: gitmo

Yo Gitmo—Welcome to reality. GOP, IMO, is just another wing of demrat party. There are no places for conservatives at its table. To argue otherwise is at best naieve and at worse delusional.

Moreover, if conservatives do not take the schools back all else is a waste of effort.

Also, I think the word “conservative” has been demonized by the demrat left and we need a name change. I’m thinking “Constitutionalist”—or “Connie” for short.

In any case, building a viable Constitutionalist Party and taking back the schools is not done in a couple of election cycles. It will take years.


35 posted on 11/16/2008 8:36:55 AM PST by dools007
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To: Enchante

I agree that whatever McCain did would not have overcome completely the drag of George Bush and the economic meltdown, but here are 10 reasons why the result was worse that it should have been: 1) McCain’s pettiness in his continued disdain for Rush Limbaugh could be felt throughout the right-wing talk radio air waves; nobody prefers voting for someone who could be that spiteful; in not allowing Sarah to go on Rush’s program immediately after her selection as his VP nominee, he failed to legitimize her credentials to the fiscal conservatives and foreign affairs conservatives (Sarah already had the social conservatives); 2)McCain unbelievably did not use Sarah and her charisma in any campaign ads, especially in the last week of the campaign; 3)McCain voting for the bailout when his one vote would not have made a difference anyway; 4)McCain and his campaign staff not hitting back stronger in defending Sarah; 5) campaign infighting; 6)McCain announcing in the last day of the campaign that he was going to win instead of staying on script that he was the underdog; 7)McCain was not an eleoquent spokesman for his economic strategy; 8)going on SNL and appearing with Tina Fey as she again mocked Sarah after Sarah herself had done quite a bit on her own appearance on SNL to dispel the myth that she was a bimbo; 9)denying press availability to Sarah during the first half of the campaign and having her not appear on any of the Sunday talk shows to establish her credibility to the American people; 10)a feeling among a segment of the public that McCain did not really want to win-he just wanted to ‘reach across the aisle’, in a ‘bipartisan manner’, as a ‘maverick’ and made a point of saying the Obama ‘is qualified to be President of the USA.’


38 posted on 11/16/2008 8:54:28 AM PST by techno
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To: pediddle

Joe the Plumber said what needed to be said i.e. Obama has marxist leanings.

You attack Joe the Plumber for being a tax cheat. More power to him. Years of expanding socialism has forced good people to have to maneuver through an unfair system. Welfare - I assure you Joe and everyone has paid for it. So what?

My name is also Samuel Joseph but growing up I went by my middle name.

Who are you to decide who should deliver the message? Joe like everyone else has been the victim of our ever-expanding government; who better to speak out than him? Oh yeah, JOHN MCCAIN. But apparently he and his entourage didn’t know the song.

Free speech for thee but none for me. After Obama marginalizes large numbers of us so that we can’t afford taxes, licenses, compliance with regulations, etc. then I guess we won’t be able to speak out according to the stylistic advice of pediddle. Don’t attack Joe because John McCain didn’t know how to run as a Republican who would end the governmental nonsense the average man pays for everyday.


39 posted on 11/16/2008 8:55:17 AM PST by Harris ((optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: Bill Dupray
"Many conservatives were voting for 2 reasons in this election: (1) Get Sarah Palin in the Vice-President’s mansion, and (2) Deny the White House to a radical Marxist. The identity of the Republican nominee was irrelevant. Had McCain not picked Palin, this election would have been a bloodbath."

ditto!
40 posted on 11/16/2008 9:00:54 AM PST by Faux_Pas (When I die, I want to be buried in St. Martin Parish so I can remain politically active. ~E.K.Long)
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To: zeebee
I have a problem with this myth. You have a 2% increase in black voters and a 1% increase in young voters- that's 3% and McCain lost by 4%. It would have been much closer if not for those 2 groups.

I agree with you entirely. The other problem we have is getting the message out to the youth. Of course, this election cycle there was no coherent message, but hopefully next time there will be a solid conservative message to put forth. And yes, just enough of the youth will listen, if we speak their language.

41 posted on 11/16/2008 9:01:14 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: EagleUSA

McCain was pathetic in not being able to point out the obvious on national TV when he had the chance. Saying that Dodd, Frank and “the one” received to largest bribes from Fannie and Freddie may have gone a long way in the economic debate. His refusal to say what really brought down the markets was weak and showed no leadership. No republicans were able to state just plain, simple facts on this matter. McCain blaming the greed on Wall Street was just stupid.


42 posted on 11/16/2008 9:07:09 AM PST by dandiegirl
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To: zeebee
You have a 2% increase in black voters and a 1% increase in young voters- that's 3% and McCain lost by 4%. It would have been much closer if not for those 2 groups.

Just to elaborate, it was not a 2% increase in black voters but rather a more significant 2% increase by black voters. Black voters went from 11% to 13% of the electorate- that's more than an 18% increase in the number of black voters.

Similarly the youth vote increased their numbers by 5% (from 17 to 18%) leading to a 1% increase in their portion of the electorate.

Any state that won by less than 3% could have ended up in McCain's column.

43 posted on 11/16/2008 9:28:25 AM PST by zeebee
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To: FreeReign
"lost the election"

Agree completely. I knew immediately after the crash that if McCain didn't get it right on what happened, he'd lose. And he muffed it big time. He blamed "greedy bankers" for the crash, and we all know who they are, right? Greedy bankers aka greedy REPUBLICANS!!!

44 posted on 11/16/2008 11:48:17 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Ditter

“My heart sank when I heard McCain say he was suspending his campaign to go back to Washington. I knew it was over then.”

It’s funny you say that. To me, that was McCain’s brightest moment. That was the opportunity when McC might have wrested the whole “change” mantra away from the chosen one. It was the only the slightest glimmer of hope. When mere days later he caved in to a Congress intent upon acting against the interest and expressed opinions of an electorate situated 100:1 or 300:1 against such government largess...that was MY moment when I knew we were lost.

But at this point it’s all just spitting in the wind, isn’t it?

text: http://market-ticker.org/archives/660-Paulson,-Kashkari-and-CONgress-All-Frauds!.html

video: http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=71657


45 posted on 11/16/2008 12:01:51 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (No longer wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I felt like at that moment that he was going back to DC to vote FOR the bail out. Turns out I was right.


46 posted on 11/16/2008 12:07:15 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

Aha, that would explain your comment. You saw through the sham. I didn’t.


47 posted on 11/16/2008 12:23:51 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (No longer wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I don’t know if I would call it a sham, just more of McCain being McCain and reaching across the aisle. I think he thought he was doing the right thing.


48 posted on 11/16/2008 1:29:48 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Bill Dupray

True and correct.


49 posted on 11/16/2008 1:30:34 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (2010. Do or die.)
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To: Ditter

My sentiments echoed 4th para here, FWIW:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2133197/posts


50 posted on 11/16/2008 2:34:44 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (No longer wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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