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SCOTUS To Review Birth Certificate Case on December 5
The Patriot Room ^ | November 20, 2008 | Bill Dupray

Posted on 11/20/2008 8:13:25 AM PST by Bill Dupray

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthcertificategate; certifigate; madeinkenya; obama; scotus; supremecourt
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1 posted on 11/20/2008 8:13:26 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: Bill Dupray

A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama’s name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a “conference” at the U.S. Supreme Court.

Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. This case is set for a conference Dec. 5, just 10 days before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet to make formal the election of Obama as the nation’s next president.


2 posted on 11/20/2008 8:15:24 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Bill Dupray

Most likely, however the case goes, it’ll be a nailbiting 5-4 decision. The tiebreaker, of course, will be Anthony Kennedy and whether he’s having a bad-hair day.


3 posted on 11/20/2008 8:16:00 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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To: Bill Dupray

Legs indeed, Lord please let this be. If they do rule against the new election could be Sarah v Hillary.


4 posted on 11/20/2008 8:17:00 AM PST by SFR
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To: ScottinVA

the 4 right of center justices might demure on this one. dont get your hopes too high.


5 posted on 11/20/2008 8:17:37 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bill Dupray
J. Thomas is truly a man of principle. Riots be damned. The media be damned. The Constitution is the law of the land, and the requirements for POTUS are not suggestions. Let’s see how it plays out. Maybe he is a Natural Born citizen, but I have my doubts. I also doubt actual authenticity will be provided if he does not meet the requirements. I just don’t see him handing over proof that shows him to be ineligible.
6 posted on 11/20/2008 8:19:02 AM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: ScottinVA

I believe it only requires four justices to bring the case up for argument.


7 posted on 11/20/2008 8:19:04 AM PST by Deek
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To: ScottinVA

It takes 4 positive “votes” in conference for the SCOTUS to bring the case to trial.

I don’t see Roberts agreeing to it. Conference vote: 6-3, “nay”.


8 posted on 11/20/2008 8:19:04 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Patriotism: Not voting for the candidate whose strongest qualification is being a minority.)
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To: Bill Dupray

Interesting, I just commented in another thread
that a lot of these other suits may be asking for the wrong thing... Keyes trying to disqualify CA electors, Berg trying to stay the election, etc.

I read this right? In this one, Obama’s name on national ballot is the actual challenge?

My guess is that the justices already know what needs to be done, and they are going to pick and choose which case they review to either get it done right, or to sweep it under the rug in the most discrete manner.


9 posted on 11/20/2008 8:19:30 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: SFR

Praying every day, all day long, that Hussein will never take office.

Maybe Thomas, Scalia, et al., will be an answer to prayer.


10 posted on 11/20/2008 8:20:26 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (We have elected a man ... who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen. - Dollard post)
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To: Bill Dupray

Even if the case is not heard, what will come out of this is a process for determining qualification before inauguration.


11 posted on 11/20/2008 8:20:57 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Bill Dupray

The cynical part of me says that SCOTUS will never do anything with this and risk the collective wrath of the “informed” Obama voters who no doubt will burn their building down.


12 posted on 11/20/2008 8:20:59 AM PST by mancini
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To: Bill Dupray

Did SCOTUS actually demand Obama produce his BC by Dec 1, or did they just require that he respond to the suit?


13 posted on 11/20/2008 8:21:23 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: Bill Dupray

wow


14 posted on 11/20/2008 8:21:41 AM PST by peace with honor
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To: Vaquero

I don’t know. Its freak show crazy that obama doesn’t produce a birth certificate. Further, actual records from Indonesia list his nationality as Indonesian when he was a boy. There are no documents that show his nationality was transfered back to the USA.

This is the kind of stuff that prevents another rock star like The Arnold from running as POTUS. (Its ok for him to run as govenor but the requirements for POTUS are more stringent—as they should be.)

Is Obama above the law?


15 posted on 11/20/2008 8:21:55 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Bill Dupray

Since the case is for an emergency stay, and pertains to a national election, they will accept the case and review it. Their decision will be given prior to vote by Electoral College.


16 posted on 11/20/2008 8:23:07 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Bill Dupray

I have a template letter on this topic and addresses to contact the SCOTUS justices and clerks. Please private mail me if you’re interested.


17 posted on 11/20/2008 8:23:53 AM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: ckilmer

I agree on all points.

But I don’t see the SCOTUS wanting to be the ones to cause Civil War II.

just a feeling on this not facts.


18 posted on 11/20/2008 8:24:57 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: nmh
A case that challenges President-elect Barack Obama’s name on the 2008 election ballot citing questions over his citizenship has been scheduled for a “conference” at the U.S. Supreme Court.

This case also challenges McCain's citizenship.

19 posted on 11/20/2008 8:25:47 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Bill Dupray

I want justice to prevail - no matter the outcome.


20 posted on 11/20/2008 8:26:45 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: CE2949BB

The issue deserves a look-see at the only court authorized to assess the situation. I don’t think Thomas is saying or thinking one way or another, but just that the court should at least look at it.


21 posted on 11/20/2008 8:28:49 AM PST by swatter
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To: Clump

This is the real problem.

It should be very easy for the supremes to say ok, everyone produce your birth certificates and lets get on with it. This is a no brainer. Its easy. Its a formality.

But what happens if they know or even suspect or smell a problem. ie what happens if they believe a ruling to require candidates to produce birth certificates would set off a firestorm.

Why? Because Obama doesn’t have the documtation.

What happens if the real problem is that Obama doesn’t have the docs to prove he’s a “natural born citizen”

That, in fact, the documents prove otherwise.


22 posted on 11/20/2008 8:30:20 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer
Is Obama above the law?

"There is no law that will stop him (Obama) from becoming president!" - Michelle Obama

23 posted on 11/20/2008 8:32:05 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Bill Dupray

It is in the best interest of this country for the case to be heard by the Supremes, regardless of whether he is, or is not, eligible.

If he is, then that puts paid to all of the other suits, and we can all move along to obfuscating his nefarious plans for the next 4 years, while seeking a suitable contender for the White House in 2012.

If he isn’t, then the Constitution of the United States, which is the supreme law of this land, needs to be upheld and obeyed. If his (vastly reduced in number at that point - Americans don’t like to be had!) supporters take to the streets, then so be it. They will fight, they will be subdued in due course, and America will survive and move on.

The upshot of it is, no party will dare to nominate another candidate who has not been thoroughly vetted, no matter how good of a game he talks, plus the media will be exposed again for the sham that it has become.

It’s a no win situation for the case not to be heard, and a no lose for it to be heard.


24 posted on 11/20/2008 8:33:11 AM PST by VRWCer (Sarah Palin - the embodiment of the spirit and true grit upon which this great country was founded.)
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To: Vaquero

But I don’t see the SCOTUS wanting to be the ones to cause Civil War II.

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The implications are on the order of the Nixon knock out.

Here’s the thing. This puppy is not going away. So they either do it now when its relatively easy to face the consequences or later when its not.

You understand Obama should have the documentation. The Arnold would be running for president and winning if he had the documentation. But he doesn’t have the docs. So he doesn’t run.


25 posted on 11/20/2008 8:36:36 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: nmh

I don’t get it. I always thought that if one of your parents were American, you were automatically an American no matter where you were born. Am I wrong?


26 posted on 11/20/2008 8:39:02 AM PST by DejaJude (Obama, the "Leader Dearest" of the nanny state.)
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To: TruthWillWin

Donofrios case argues that Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father was not an American. To Donofrio, natural born means that both parents are American and the child was born in the US. Obama is an American citizen... just not natural born citizen...even thought he was born in Hawaii (supposedly). He thinks that the birth certificate question is a ruse. He believes that the founding fathers mandated that both parents be born in the US and the child be born in the US to become natural born citizen. On Obamas website, he admits that his father was a British subject and he too was british. We’ll see.


27 posted on 11/20/2008 8:39:16 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Bill Dupray
December 6 headline: Supreme Court denies certiorari for Obama birth certificate case.
28 posted on 11/20/2008 8:39:48 AM PST by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: Safrguns
Contrary to Internet rumor that Justice Souter had ordered Barack Obama to provide the vault copy of his birth certificate, the Court merely set December 1, 2008 as the date by which the respondents--Obama, the Democratic National Committee and Federal Election Commission--were to respond to Berg's petition if they chose to do so at all. Yesterday's filing, which appeared on the docket this afternoon, shows that the respondents have waived their right to respond.

I hope that answers your question.

29 posted on 11/20/2008 8:40:21 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: Bill Dupray

I just don’t get why this hasn’t been resolved LONG ago...it doesn’t make sense that the Dems would let this rise to the level of the Supreme Court? Crazy....


30 posted on 11/20/2008 8:41:12 AM PST by HappyinAZ
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To: DejaJude

It’s not being an American that is questioned...it is the question between natural born and naturalized.


31 posted on 11/20/2008 8:41:16 AM PST by imfrmdixie
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To: Bill Dupray

I have listened to Leo Donofrio from NJ for the last two nights on Prarie Radio and Lam Lamphere. If they made a movie about this (Hollywood would never touch it) it would be incredible. It is the most amazing story no one knows about. Little people stepped in as Leo was getting jerked around by a corrupt clerk at SCOTUS screwing with his filing.

Leo is a super guy and a real patriot.

Go to his web site at www.blogspot.org/naturalborncitizen?

You can learn what is going on. Everyone should lay off the stupid vanity posts, grandpa’s corn fritters, Rush talking about the Steelers, prayer threads for Obama and other nonsense. Our freedom hangs by a thread. We have had a coup. The financial markets have been manipulated for profit by shorts using bear raids and to gain control of the country.

Our conservative talk show “heroes” are AWOL chickens. Thank God for the Internet radio people like Prarie Radio, Lan and Free Republic when it is not used for inanities like granny’s pumpkin pie receipe or snide comments by negative people.

Leo and his case may be the only thing standing in the way of tyranny by two political parties owned by ?? and a MSM owned by other people who care little about America.

Leo’s case does NOT need a birth certificate but it is backup in his case in case his first or second claim fails. leo built layers in his case.

Leo has it nailed based on The Constitution. It is obvious and there is no ambiguity. Justice Thomas would not have moved it along unless Leo’s case was solid. I feel they will have a hard time turning this away. The Framers entrusted SCOTUS as almost the last defense against tyranny and their shield and sword is the Constitution. Leo’s case lays it all out. It truly is amazing. A David and Golith story.


32 posted on 11/20/2008 8:42:24 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Bill Dupray
I have hopes they'll actually implement and protect the law of the land. The requirements for POTUS are within the supreme law of the land, the US Constitution. Any civil war may well result from SCOTUS and the other government branches continued abrogation and usurping of this document.

Let's see how the US government lines up against these foundational laws:

1) The legislative branch creates laws.

2) The executive branch implements the laws. There are provisions for some leeway during times of war, via the War Powers Act. This requires a declaration of war, not in effect.

3) The judicial branch judges cases using the law. Judges were _never_ authorized to create law _out_of_thin_air_ any more than to ignore lawful laws in their decisions. The key principle in the previous statement is that a case brought before the courts, for which there is no covering law, must be ruled simply NO jurisdiction and dropped, duh.

Now, SCOTUS would surely be aware of the US Constitution and it's _very_ lawful law pertaining to the citizenship requirements for a president. They are legal bound to uphold the law, not worry about the ramifications, ie., the nut left riots which may ensue.

Good day.

33 posted on 11/20/2008 8:42:36 AM PST by veracious
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To: al_c

Obama is just another Bill Clinton. Both are narcissitic.


34 posted on 11/20/2008 8:44:44 AM PST by Buddygirl
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To: Frantzie
www.blogspot.org/naturalborncitizen?

Not a good path.

35 posted on 11/20/2008 8:46:11 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: TruthWillWin

www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/


36 posted on 11/20/2008 8:48:09 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: Vaquero

This is a Constitutional Crisis ... as much as they want to it may prove difficult to sweep this away ... imagine sweeping a 300 pound elephant under the rug ... if they let it go then the Republicans will run ARNOLD next time


37 posted on 11/20/2008 8:49:39 AM PST by ignorancerunsrampant
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To: TruthWillWin
Senator McCain was born to American parents when his father was in the military, somewhere around the Panama Canal Zone. That makes him a US Citizen.

My brother and his wife had a son when they were in France (Army) and that son is an American citizen. Think of all the military kids born to American military personnel while out of the country. An American father and American mother - their children are American citizens.

38 posted on 11/20/2008 8:49:40 AM PST by Texagirl4W (It's the ten commandments, not the ten suggestions !!!!!)
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To: Bill Dupray

I think this story is really going somewhere. I also think that the API is a great source of news and that my new African email buddy is going to send me $20 million as soon as I mail him $5k for shipping.


39 posted on 11/20/2008 8:50:17 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Vaquero

SCOTUS job is to protect The Constitution no matter what. Obama and the DNC caused this fraud. McCain and the GOP do not get off either. I think both are owned by someone named George.

www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/


40 posted on 11/20/2008 8:50:28 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: ckilmer
Is Obama above the law? ... He believes he is, and his lead general, David Axelrod is tasked with creating enough obfuscation to bring to pass.

While a legislator in Illinois, Obama proved he regards the Constitution as nothing but a nuisance to his agenda. He arbitrarily cancelled the Consrtitutional rights of newly born alive infants inorder to try and 'protect' roe v Wade. If he will seek to cancel the Constituional rights of such vulnerable alive Americans, what restrains this man's mind on any issue he deems worthy of his attention?

If he is disqualified, Biden will be President. Elections have consequences. Democrats are now in complete control ... and they are counting on extortion to cower the SCOTUS.

41 posted on 11/20/2008 8:50:30 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: AmericanGirlRising

I’m not sure a template letter is the way to go on this.

Yes, include the necessary information but it’s important to vary the letters so they aren’t just carbon copies.

Handwritten letters really stand out, in contrast with mass produced printed ones. Straight, to the point, original letters have an impact.


42 posted on 11/20/2008 8:50:47 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Frantzie
This is the correct url for Leo's blog:

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

43 posted on 11/20/2008 8:52:07 AM PST by Aliska
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To: Texagirl4W
Senator McCain was born to American parents when his father was in the military, somewhere around the Panama Canal Zone. That makes him a US Citizen.

Perhaps so but McCain is included in the filing questioning his citizenship. The constitution does not define "natural born".

44 posted on 11/20/2008 8:52:36 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Vaquero
But I don’t see the SCOTUS wanting to be the ones to cause Civil War II.

Ahhh ... But they aren't the cause ... If not natural born, Obama has pulled the wool over the entire DNC's eyes as well as half the population. He and those who aided his cover-up are the source of disenfranchisement. The hands of the SCOTUS are clean. They are simply doing their job to preserve the law as it was written. As long as the SCOTUS doesn't personalize their responsibility or succumb to the urge to legislate from the bench, they'll do the right thing.
45 posted on 11/20/2008 8:52:59 AM PST by so_real
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To: nmh
Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review.

They'll decide not to review because they don't wish to create an incident, regardless of the merits.

That's how our government functions. Overlook laws and the constitutions if required actions would embarrass the government, the individual(s) involved or create public outcry.

46 posted on 11/20/2008 8:53:08 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Frantzie
Website is actually http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/ for Leo's saga.
47 posted on 11/20/2008 8:53:37 AM PST by shezza (WWRD?)
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To: Texagirl4W

A US military installation (even a ship) is US territory. I think the only problem with McCain was that he was born in a hospital that was outside of the base. I don’t believe the base had a maternity facility, or something like that.


48 posted on 11/20/2008 8:54:15 AM PST by livius
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To: TruthWillWin
This case also challenges McCain's citizenship.

I'm okay with that ... truth and justice, pure and impartial, at all costs.
49 posted on 11/20/2008 8:55:04 AM PST by so_real
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To: ScottinVA
Other than maybe Ginsberg (who was an idiot before she became a senile idiot), I really don't imagine that SC justices would agree that it isn't really important for a president to be constitutionally qualified for office.

I think they are going to want Obama to prove he is a natural born citizen.

Maybe he can and this is all just a dopey excercise. Or maybe he can't and then it gets interesting.

50 posted on 11/20/2008 8:55:59 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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