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Kenyan Ambassador Says Obama’s Birthplace in KENYA is “An Attraction…Already Well-Known”
donedems.com ^ | November 21, 2008 | Old Major

Posted on 11/21/2008 5:43:38 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

About twelve minutes into a Detroit radio station’s interview with Kenyan ambassador Peter Ogego, he is asked whether or not monuments will be erected in honor of Obama’s elevation to the United States presidency.

Ogego responds that a monument will be erected at Obama’s birthplace in Kenya, which is already a site of pilgramage: “His birthplace is already an attraction…it’s already well known.”

Obama’s Kenyan grandmother has also asserted that he was born in Kenya, not the United States. The Constitution bars those born outside of US territory from becoming President.

There are also lawsuits pending — including one by Obama’s former Senate campaign opponent Alan Keyes — challenging Obama to provide proof of citizenship eligibility to take office. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has put this isssue on the docket for the Court to review on December 5th.



TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: alien; alienobama; bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; hudhousing4kenyans; illegalalien; kenyan; obama; obamabinlyin; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; obamillegal; omg; thekenyan
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1 posted on 11/21/2008 5:43:39 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We need pics of the place...Google maps...Panoramio...Flickr


2 posted on 11/21/2008 5:45:52 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yeah. It is the fourth mud hut on the right, just past the out door toilet, look for the three pig heads. Easy to find. It has the star shining down from the heavens over it.


3 posted on 11/21/2008 5:45:56 PM PST by RetiredArmy (NOTE TO REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS: PLAY THE CONSERVATIVE CARD!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is anybody listening to this except us?


4 posted on 11/21/2008 5:46:52 PM PST by HollyB
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To: RetiredArmy

Is it north or south of ditch of sewage?


5 posted on 11/21/2008 5:47:31 PM PST by TheOgre
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To: TheOgre

South, then turn right.


6 posted on 11/21/2008 5:48:44 PM PST by RetiredArmy (NOTE TO REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS: PLAY THE CONSERVATIVE CARD!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Sent to Drudge.


7 posted on 11/21/2008 5:48:54 PM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: RetiredArmy
Easy to find. It has the star shining down from the heavens over it.

Praise "?" (The candidate formerly known as Obama)
8 posted on 11/21/2008 5:51:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ogego must be a member of the party that achieved power legitimately in the Kenyan election—not by a campaign of terror like Obama’s cousin Odinga.


9 posted on 11/21/2008 5:52:32 PM PST by firebrand
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To: omega4179

Might as well have sent it to a black hole. This is being ignored like the plague not only by the MSM but by Rush, Hannity, and the rest of the RW talk radio. Rush mentioned it briefly a few weeks ago I was told, nothing since. Drudge had a link to Alan Keys case up for about a half a day. No headline and the link was buried way down in his story links, hard to find.


10 posted on 11/21/2008 5:53:13 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: HollyB
Is anybody listening to this except us?

No. You could produce video proof of his birth in a Kenyan sh*t-hole and no court will overturn the election.

11 posted on 11/21/2008 5:55:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: HollyB

No but it must be getting harder and harder to ignore.


12 posted on 11/21/2008 5:55:12 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: HollyB
This issue is so sensationally scandalous that it seems very few people want to stake their reputation on finding out the truth...which is very unfortunate.
13 posted on 11/21/2008 5:58:45 PM PST by lwd
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To: Free ThinkerNY

14 posted on 11/21/2008 5:58:48 PM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: omega4179

PERFECT!!!!!!


15 posted on 11/21/2008 6:01:17 PM PST by upcountry miss
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Why do they keep beating that dead horse?
Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn't matter where he was born.

Unless, of course, she renounced her citizenship, a possibility I have never seen mentioned.

16 posted on 11/21/2008 6:02:24 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: omega4179

He is soooo smug. How I would love to see him get his comeuppance.


17 posted on 11/21/2008 6:02:56 PM PST by upcountry miss
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To: Publius6961

If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


18 posted on 11/21/2008 6:03:43 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I would suggest they call it Obama’s Graceland and the shrine will be open at a fee to all those pilgrims of every nationality who will be seeking to visit the birth place of ‘the one’. Especially those aspiring to be ‘other ones’. I foresee a church of Obama.

http://www.nation.co.ke/magazines/saturday/-/1216/488114/-/c14ivaz/-/index.html


19 posted on 11/21/2008 6:03:53 PM PST by Tucker822 (RUN, FRED, RUN!!!)
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To: Publius6961

He perpetuated FRAUD by standing by a false document


20 posted on 11/21/2008 6:06:49 PM PST by dascallie
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To: Publius6961

You might want to ponder the question, “if there is nothing to hide, why is Obama spending so much money to hide something?”


21 posted on 11/21/2008 6:08:24 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Tucker822

Just WOW !!!


22 posted on 11/21/2008 6:10:18 PM PST by upcountry miss
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To: LucyT

Check out the link here.


23 posted on 11/21/2008 6:18:54 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Publius6961

“Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn’t matter where he was born.”

You do misunderstand the Constitution!


24 posted on 11/21/2008 6:21:19 PM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Circumstantial but keeps interest level going.

Kenyan citizenship rules
Persons who became citizens on 12th December, 1963
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on llth December. 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963:
Provided that a person shall not become a citizen of Kenya by virtue of this subsection if neither of his parents was born in Kenya.
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963.
25 posted on 11/21/2008 6:22:44 PM PST by tarpit
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To: Publius6961

yes and yes
IF he was born overseas, she was not 5 years older than her 14th birthday so he is an Alien that was the law in effect.

IF he was born in Hawaii, its possible she renounced his US citizenship by taking him to Indonesia where he was legally adopted.

He could not be a secret service agent or even own a gun if he renounced his citizenship via his mother.


26 posted on 11/21/2008 6:24:22 PM PST by omega4179 (Obama recession ends 1-20-13)
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To: Tucker822
Either way this thing goes, sombody is gonna be PIZZED and it is looking like THE ONE really has been hiding it after all. When this hits...

Yeeeoooow!

27 posted on 11/21/2008 6:29:47 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: tarpit

He admitted Kenyan citizenship on his “Fight the Smears” website but claimed it “expired” in 1982.


28 posted on 11/21/2008 6:29:49 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Publius6961

If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.

We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing aquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who belive in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.

The arrogance and effrontery of this lying bastid is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiesence of enough people, he will suceed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real posssibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.

Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.


29 posted on 11/21/2008 6:35:10 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Publius6961
Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn't matter where he was born.

Got a news flash for you FRiend, unless 0bama was born on U.S. soil or U.S. territory, he is NOT eligible to serve as President, and if his mother were Betsy Ross or Kate Smith it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

Native born means "born on U.S. soil".
30 posted on 11/21/2008 6:35:35 PM PST by mkjessup (Thomas Jefferson was RIGHT about the need to water the Tree of Liberty, and with WHAT.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
A person who has attained thc agc of twenty-one years (or is a woman who is or has been married) and who---
1. becomes a citizen of Kenya by registration under section 88, 91, 92 or 96 or by naturalization under section 93 or 96; and
2. is immediately after the day upon which hc becomes a dtize~ of K~nya, ;dso a citizen d some other country,
shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a dtizen of Kcnya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiancc and made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliamcnt.
31 posted on 11/21/2008 6:37:49 PM PST by tarpit
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To: tarpit

He claimed citizenship through his father and said it “expired”. At any rate, would dual citizenship make him ineligible? I think it would. The Founders wanted those loyal to the US to serve.


32 posted on 11/21/2008 6:41:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yes, from all I’ve read.


33 posted on 11/21/2008 6:44:27 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Kenya--(AP) Obwabunula Ngwamomobo points to site of the manger, and where many witnesses observed a blinding flash of light.

34 posted on 11/21/2008 6:44:46 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Before taking on Obama, Job #1 is we MUST embark on a campaign to PURGE the GOP leadership of RINOS!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

LOL!!!!


35 posted on 11/21/2008 6:46:05 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Girlene

I’m not dancing......but it’s got a catchy tune.


36 posted on 11/21/2008 6:49:09 PM PST by lilycicero (Put the needle on the record.......pump up the volume......)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Christmas shall hensceforth be known as Obamadan.


37 posted on 11/21/2008 6:49:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: RetiredArmy

“South, then turn right.”

No, no, that’s where the pig guts are tossed out.


38 posted on 11/21/2008 6:52:15 PM PST by unkus
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I think I saw that monument.


39 posted on 11/21/2008 6:53:50 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A correction, the Constitutional requirements are:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Contrary to the article, persons born outside the territory of the United States may be natural born citizens, depending on their parentage and the prevailing law at the time of their birth. In Obama’s case, if he was born in Kenya, under the prevailing law at the time of his birth he would not have been a US citizen. Hence the lawsuits.


41 posted on 11/21/2008 7:08:26 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: omega4179

No, a parent cannot renounce citizenship on behalf of a minor child. Only renunciations of citizenship by the person after attaining the age of 18 are valid under US law.

The only question open is whether he was a citizen at birth, which because his father was a British subject, and his US citizen mother was younger than the then prevailing statutory requirement for one parent’s US citizenship to be passed to a child at birth, turns entirely on where Obama was born.


42 posted on 11/21/2008 7:13:06 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: mkjessup
Got a news flash for you FRiend, unless 0bama was born on U.S. soil or U.S. territory, he is NOT eligible to serve as President, and if his mother were Betsy Ross or Kate Smith it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

You might want to write to John McCain then. He was born in Panama, IIRC. Having two US citizens as parents also qualifies as a "natural-born citizen". (Obama's father was Kenyan, his mother Kansan.)

43 posted on 11/21/2008 7:18:51 PM PST by Teacher317 (Well, at least we know Obama isn't the anti-Christ. Satan would have more class.)
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To: tarpit
Kenyan laws are irrelevant to the discussion. Only US law will apply to the determination of his citizenship for the purposes of the presidency.

The Cayman Islands could pass a law tomorrow saying that every human on the planet is a Cayman. That doesn't change our citizenship status.

44 posted on 11/21/2008 7:21:59 PM PST by Teacher317 (Well, at least we know Obama isn't the anti-Christ. Satan would have more class.)
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To: Teacher317

see Berg lawsuit for relevancy. My quotes are from the constitution of Kenya, which he references...


45 posted on 11/21/2008 7:29:20 PM PST by tarpit
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To: Publius6961

There are age and time in country requirements that were not met.


46 posted on 11/21/2008 7:32:16 PM PST by mcshot (Bitterly Loving God, Family, Life, Guns and our Constitution - as written!)
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To: Publius6961

***Why do they keep beating that dead horse?
Unless I misunderstand the law, his mother was a US citizen, so it doesn’t matter where he was born.***

Because the president has to be a “natural born citizen.” My mother was born in England, and became an American citizen when she moved here. She is a CITIZEN. She is not a NATURAL born citizen.


47 posted on 11/21/2008 7:35:39 PM PST by kitkat (THE DAY WE LOSE OUR WILL TO FIGHT Ilast THE DAY WE LOSE OUR FREEDOM.)
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To: DMZFrank

well put.


48 posted on 11/21/2008 7:36:38 PM PST by trialbyfire (Black conservatives are people too.)
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To: TLI

I think so too. This is the second reference to “his birth place” that I’ve seen and heard.


49 posted on 11/21/2008 7:49:39 PM PST by Tucker822 (RUN, FRED, RUN!!!)
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To: The_Reader_David

You are correct about the place of birth, but the Indonesian question is still open. If he traveled on an Indonesian - or British, or Kenyan - passport that he obtained as an adult, he almost certainly did renounce his American citizenship to obtain it. And at the time of his trip to Pakistan, they did not allow Americans to enter.

He did NOT need to do ANYTHING in America, or provide any notice to America, to renounce his American citizenship. Making an entitled claim of citizenship in a foreign country is probably enough. I could have claimed full British citizenship at age 18, because I was born in London to American parents - and I would have had no further duty or obligation to America of any kind. Instead, I took an oath of citizenship here in the USA, and have a (derivative) Certificate Of Citizenship that attests to that fact, and shows my date of AMERICAN citizenship as the same as my date of birth.


50 posted on 11/21/2008 8:09:24 PM PST by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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