Posted on 11/24/2008 8:55:18 AM PST by Invisigoth
The real problem with the gay marriage issue is that the truth can only be found in either the spiritual or the scientific. The question that matters most is whether or not a person can be born gay. And the only possible way to answer this seems to be by discovering a gene that determines sexual preference or by believing in the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality and assuming this means everyone is born straight.
Simply posing the question generally infuriates gays. First, the question seems to carry with it the tone that homosexuality is some sort of handicap, like asking someone if they were born cross-eyed. Second, there’s the it’s-none-of-your-business” factor. And third, there’s the argument that says, “Of course I was born gay, you idiot. Why would I choose this?” It is pretty understandable for someone who believes with all his heart he was born gay to want to shove his foot up your butt for even asking this question.
But to anyone who believes that we’re all born straight, he must somehow explain why someone would choose to be gay. To be asked this question is about as enjoyable as realizing there’s one tattered square of toilet paper left five minutes too late.
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Homosexuality, for the most part at least, is just a fashion statement.
It’s hard to imagine why anyone would choose to be many things that are deviations of the norm. Do people choose to be pedophiles? Arsonists? Fetishists? It’s hard to know if it’s genetic (could well be, but I’m not convinced) however, if it’s not it doesn’t mean it was a conscious choice, as in, they woke up one day and said, “Hey, I think I would rather have relations with someone the same sex as I am!).
Previous to our PC world it was considered a mental illness of sorts, and I’m sure there were various theories on why someone would end up this way. Now, I doubt we can even study it as the wrath of the homosexual rights groups would come down on your head.
If it’s genetic, is it ok with homosexuals if couples abort babies because they carry the gene to be homosexual? I would love to know the answer to that one.
Either way, IMHO, those people are in need of counseling help because it is not only unnatural, it is downright dangerous to ones health, as evidenced by any objective look at health criteria as well as proposenities to certaian types of crime.
So when society...and a new President, calls it okay, does that then somehow that makes it okay?
As with any other divergent behavior, saying it is okay does not make it okay.
I do not believe any society has survived embracing such behavior or life styles.
every truly gay friend I’ve ever had believes he was born that way. They say they knew as early as they could remember that it was same sex people who made their hearts beat faster, way before puberty. Seems clear to me they are born that way.
I agree that today that is probably at least partially true. I get the impression this may be more common among women than men, and part of that may be that girls are bombarded by the notion that men are attracted to that.
We all have bad inclinations, tendencies and temptations that we did not choose. What tempts you mayy not tempt me. I don’t know the man but my guess is that Warren Buffet is not tempted to shop lift. He may well have a tendency for pride. Don’t know. Yes, there are people who some how developed homosexual issues. Does not mean they chose them nor does it mean that they need to give in to them. They had no choice conscious choice in their development. They do have a choice as to whether they will give in to destructive and sinful behavior.
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Its definatly something your born with. I grew up in a private christian school attached to a christian church, grew up in a bubble basically and there was this kid that was off, I didnt know how to explain it or what to think of him. Years later in my 20’s I ran into this same kid at a bar and knew exactly why he acted the way he did when we were growing up!
Your experience would only be proof if they told you that as soon as they were born, that is before they had any sort of experiences in life. Lots of things are set fairly early on, but that doesn’t answer the nature/nurture question. For instance, if it was caused by some child rearing method in early childhood. FWIW I think it’s a combination of things, something in their make up that makes them susceptible, and then things that happen in their lives.
You can be born with a particular racial makeup.
You can not be born to a particular religion or lifestyle.
I can accept, grudgingly, well, more accurately, kicking and screaming, the concept of discrimination based upon gender or race, but anything built upon religious or sexual preference is a farce to me.
To those who declare that there’s a gay gene - stop making excuses for a lifestyle choice. The ‘criminal gene’ theories have all been thrown out, it is just a choice by the criminal.
exactly. and I can’t understand people who would A, want to prevent that guy from being in a committed monogamous relationship with someone like himself, and as a corollary B. why they would want him to be married to a woman such that neither one of them will be happy.
Bizarre desire to control other people’s individual choices in my opinion.
As a first comment, it's not their foot that I would be worried about.
As a second comment, it's a choice, not something they are born with.
I have friends that used to be homosexual. I've even had some of them come on to me when they believed they were homosexual, even knowing that I wasn't homosexual in any way, shape, or fashion.
In all these cases, actually about four cases, which are all of my formerly homosexual friends, they have become heterosexual, married, and two now have children.
All have cited me as a determining factor that 'turned' them from their former ways.
Seeing my marriage, my love for my wife, my faithfulness to my wife, and realizing that they had never had anything even close to that in their own lives caused them to realize that their way of live was not the way they were meant to be.
I take no pride in this fact. I'm just reporting what they have told me.
Sorry, that looked a little flippant.
1. Sexuality, at its core, is all about biology: sex is at its most basic, for procreation. No two men, nor any two women, can ever naturally conceive and bear a child. That makes homosexuality abnormal in the TECHNICAL sense of the world, not as a statement of condemnation.
2. Every homosexual (I’m sorry, it’s the farthest thing from a “gay” lifestyle, as that term is properly defined) I’ve ever known or known of was the victim of abuse of some sort as a child, or grew up in a dysfunctional home wherein the father figure was absent, abusive or dysfunctional.
3. They’ve been (those who do this sort of research) looking for the “gay gene” for years and years. All attempts have failed. Ipso facto, until somebody comes up with completely new research, this question has been answered in the negative.
4. Your “20 million” figure is somebody’s WAG. There is no support - and I mean NO support - for it. The Kinsey report has been completely discredited.
Bottom line, for me at least, is that homosexuality stems from abuse, and that homosexual conduct is a choice, and (given my Christian beliefs) that homosexual conduct is morally represensible under any conceivable set of circumstances. IT DOESN’T MAKE THE DOER OF THE DEED EVIL! Love the sinner and hate the sin, no matter how mad it makes the homosexual activists, IS the only way to look at this issue.
Colonel, USAFR
How about adultery? Or polygamy? Or pedophilia? Or bestiality? Or necromancy? Chosen or innate? To be normalized because they exist?.
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Now, some people may not understand what I'm saying so I'll try to explain...
When I say gays are not born with their same-sex attraction, I mean just that, and at the same time, I mean they don't choose their same-sex attraction. Somebody might say "huh"? They're not born that way and they don't choose their same-sex attraction? (Well, there's a small group, a tiny minority that admit to choosing their same-sex attraction). Some psychologists and ex-gays will tell you the same thing. Ex-gays tell us when they experienced their same-sex attraction, they were confused about their sexuality.
So they're not born with it and for the most part, they don't choose it. It's complicated.
Can't argue with that.
It's recruited by unrepentant fallible humans who prey upon those who have ill-defined sexual self-concepts.
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