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LEO DONOFRIO COMMENTS ON JUDAH BENJAMIN ARTICLE CONCERNING NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AND THE COMMON LAW
Leo Donofrio ^ | 12/1/08 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 12/02/2008 10:05:36 AM PST by MHGinTN

On November 28, 2008, Judah Benjamin published an article at the Texas Darlin blog which discussed my case and the natural born citizen issue. While I enjoyed reading this article, and I agree with the conclusion - that Obama is not eligible - I disagree with the basis upon which that conclusion was made.

(snip)...

There are two mistakes in his article which need to be addressed.

FIRST MISTAKE: Failure to state cited law was repealed.

Judah mentions the 1790 naturalization act as follows:

(snip) ...

SECOND MISTAKE: Failure to properly analyze common law.

Congress having repealed the”natural born provision” leads to the core problem in Mr. Benjamin’s analysis. Naturalization only concerns people who were, “at birth” not US citizens.

(snip)...

And it’s very important, especially in light of Justice Scalia’s very recent comments to the Federalist Society of November 22, 2008 wherein he said that the common law is dead and does not control in the USA:

“The common law is gone. The federal courts never applied the common law and even in the state courts it’s codified now.”

(snip)...

CONCLUSION

All in all, Mr. Benjamin has made a valiant attempt to provide a clear analysis of the natural born citizen topic. Please do not assume I am bashing him. I respect his passion and research, but it’s not entirely accurate. And considering what Scalia just said to the Federalist Society about the common law being gone (only three days after my case was scheduled for conference), it’s important to keep things in their proper historical perspective.

Leo C. Donofrio

(Excerpt) Read more at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ...


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To: MHGinTN

You don’t know if there is a transcript of the presentation anywhere....My dial up doesn’t allow for audio/video presentations.


41 posted on 12/03/2008 4:59:06 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: stevestras

We have never, ever had a President with such an internationally divided loyalty.
***It turns out, maybe we have.

Maybe Obama will be the Second Foreign-Born President in History
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2142451/posts


42 posted on 12/03/2008 5:01:08 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Kevmo
And from Leo's letter to ABC issued today:

The main argument of my law suit alleges that since Obama was a British citizen - at birth - a fact he admits is true, then he cannot be a “natural born citizen”. The word “born” has meaning. It deals with the status of a presidential candidate “at birth”. Obama had dual nationality at birth. The status of the candidate at the time of the election is not as relevant to the provisions of the Constitution as is his status “at birth.” If one is not “born” a natural born citizen, he can never be a natural born citizen.

43 posted on 12/04/2008 10:25:28 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hoosiermama

So far, the transcript is not available. Sorry


44 posted on 12/04/2008 10:27:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
I think that all of Leo Donofrio (real name, lawyer and professional poker player), Judah Benjamin (alias, a historian), and Antonin Scalia (real name, judge) are having a wonderful discussion about the common law.

I am impressed also that they share some strong connections to New Jersey (although I am guessing about Benjamin, I suspect he is a New Jerseyan).

I had some comments earlier today on another thread about the common law, there is quite a long discussion to be had. And it hasn't even breached the surface until folks start bringing up such arcane subjects as horn book law, "officer of the court", and the role of juries of citizens in establishing Liberty within the court system (a role that has been almost negated by the greedy process of law).

Here are my comments:

Stare Decisis is death to any system of Law that uses it alone for process. Stare Decisis is a mortal disease the Society that has a system of Law that relies mostly on it.

Mathematicians, physicists and engineers would understand this naturally, as do thesaurus writers. In mathematics, consider the repeated addition of small solid angles. (See for example http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336k/lectures/node12.html) Such additions do not commute. That is, the sum of a series of small rotations in space does not place a object in the same place as the pure mathematical sum of those angles. The place that is arrived a series of small rotations arrives at could be opposite and far from the place desired.

It is also why by repeatedly using a thesaurus to replace a word or phrase with another one can end up with a meaning exactly the opposite of what was intended.

So it is that a series of legal decisions each branched from the other can end up at a ruling that is totally perverted from all the original intent of a law. A ruling with no semblance of moral sanity. And by all the twists and turns of stare decisis that end up at that distant result the ruling is made inscrutable to any who would consider it.

Such arcane perversity in the twisted web of stare decisis comes to prevent the participation of the public in the process of law, It marginalizes the public's great common sense and comes to create a class of legal nobility, of experts in navigating the arcane, inscrutable, perverting twists of case law. And in reaction to those inscrutable twists, legislators and regulators come to produce mirroring equally inscrutable bodies of legislation and regulation.

The inscrutability of such rulings, of such arcane case law, of large volumes of arcane legislation and regulation comes to cut off the wisdom shared between generations, and the perversity comes to mock the law and the process of law, and thus to destroy the society.

In a healthy society, one that conveys wisdom gained from one generation to another with respect and reverence, it is the process of Law which is a great Educator. The nature and wherewithal of rulings is easily knowable to the public, and great judges, great arguers before the court can be understood and appreciated, not for their personality, but rather for the intellectual and moral insights that they would provide to all.

Law, our modern process of Law in the US of 2008 no longer is a Great Educator, a fountain of wisdom and morals. It is instead become a horrible perverter, a fearsome beast which swallows the good and spits out the rotten. It is inscrutable, but those aligned to that now corrupting process become wealthy! They become celebrated and become stars and talking heads, famous.

Infamous. Blood profits milked from a perversion of the once noble and beautiful breasts of Lady Justice.

* * *

Yet, ideally The Common Law that is that Lady. The legal process is her cloak, that gives her both modesty and gravity. The Officers of the Court are those who dress her and support her.

Common Law and Original Intent: Every ruling in a healthy vibrant system of Law where the educated and moral participate as judges, advocates, juries and witnesses is informed with common law of the original intent.

In a Common Law system while rulings consider similar prior rulings, and even more weigh a series of prior similar rulings, most rulings will also of themselves and obvious to all stand in accord with the common sense, morality and ethics of that original intent.

By such rule are people happy and productive, and generations regard the wisdom of prior generations respectfully.


45 posted on 12/04/2008 11:03:34 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Beautifully written! Thank you for sharing your words and thoughts. I too ponder the Lady, Liberty. She is not aging well under constant assault from her cloying courtesans.


46 posted on 12/04/2008 11:43:49 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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