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Mr. Obama, Where is Your Birth Certificate?
Political Blog ^ | December 3, 2008 | Raquel Okyay

Posted on 12/03/2008 4:53:04 AM PST by Raquel

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To: Non-Sequitur

There were no questions in their cases as to whether they were born in the U.S. or not. They clearly were and none hid their birth certificate.

What is there in the plain language of the Constitution that you’re missing?

It imposes a requirement before one is eligible to be president. Unlike any other candidate who has run for the office, statements exist that Obama was born elsewhere and his own behavior has raised a legitimate presumption that he is engaging in deception about his place of birth.

Where do you acknowledge this? We must have missed it.


121 posted on 12/03/2008 1:35:41 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: AmericanVictory
There were no questions in their cases as to whether they were born in the U.S. or not. They clearly were and none hid their birth certificate.

And none had to show them either.

What is there in the plain language of the Constitution that you’re missing?

Not a thing. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what you're trying to insert into it.

It imposes a requirement before one is eligible to be president.

Yes it does, but no where in the Constitution or in federal law does it outline how the qualifications are verified and who does it. Obama doesn't have to show his birth certificate to anyone because nothing requires that he do so.

Unlike any other candidate who has run for the office, statements exist that Obama was born elsewhere and his own behavior has raised a legitimate presumption that he is engaging in deception about his place of birth.

Statements...but no real evidence, certainly nothing that would stand up in court. Nothing you can point to and say that it indicates he was born anywhere but Hawaii. Unless you can do that then you've got nothing but rumor and tall tales.

Where do you acknowledge this? We must have missed it.

Yes you have. On numerous occasions.

122 posted on 12/03/2008 1:45:56 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

It is not true that none of them revealed their birth certificates. Very little else you say is true.


123 posted on 12/03/2008 1:52:11 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Non-Sequitur

From what you say I suspect that you know little about courts.
For example, it is not necessary for there to be evidence that would stand up in court to be entitled to delve into the truth of matters in discovery, so long as it could lead to evidence that might stand up in court. This is s classic cased of suspicious behavior and circumstances justifying such discovery into the truth of the matter.


124 posted on 12/03/2008 1:55:10 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Non-Sequitur

Let’s talk about evidence concerning where Barack Obama was born. If we were to have a hearing today, what evidence would be submitted to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii?

We have a COLB. Ok, fine. But that does not establish where someone was born, just that they were, in fact, born somewhere.

If the paternal grandmother showed up and testified about his birth in Kenya, that would certainly be evidence that he was not born in Hawaii. There would then be a dispute of fact as to where he was born to be resolved by the factfinder.

Certainly, his long form birth certificate would provide some prima facie evidence of where he was born. But we have not seen it.

The problem is that we do not have ANY prima facie evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. We have not seen is birth certificate. We have not heard of a single eyewitness (a doctor, nurse, anyone) who was present when he was born in Hawaii or cared for his mother during the pregnancy. We have not heard of any friends of his mother or his family state that they were present when he was born or visited Ms. Dunham in the hospital after the delivery. None. Zilch.

So then it gets to the burden of proof. Who has the burden of proving that Obama was born in the USA and therefore a natural born citizen? If Obama has to prove it by a preponderence of the evidence, I don’t know if he can do it with the documents we have seen. If ordinary citizens have to prove that he was not born in the USA, I don’t know if we have enough info that way either (other than statements that are hearsay).


125 posted on 12/03/2008 2:25:36 PM PST by mrs9x
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To: mrs9x

From Hawaii’s website - Interesting excerpt...They do not even accept the Certification of Live Birth (short form) as proof of birth. They want the long form, the Certificate of Live Birth.

“...In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”


126 posted on 12/03/2008 2:41:17 PM PST by IrishPennant (He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.)
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To: IrishPennant

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl


127 posted on 12/03/2008 2:42:29 PM PST by IrishPennant (He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.)
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To: mrs9x
The problem is that we do not have ANY prima facie evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And you have none that he was born anywhere else. There in lies the rub.

128 posted on 12/03/2008 3:33:06 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: cycle of discernment

Signed and posted at blog!


129 posted on 12/03/2008 9:52:19 PM PST by Raquel (Abortion ruins lives.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; ladyjane

There are 16 pending lawsuits in 12 states:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/obamas-forged-b.html


130 posted on 12/03/2008 9:58:01 PM PST by Raquel (Abortion ruins lives.)
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131 posted on 12/03/2008 10:03:08 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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