Posted on 12/11/2008 3:30:02 PM PST by STARWISE
The people are subservient to the Document and if we don’t keep it that way, we have plenty of historical examples throughout history detailing exactly what will happen to us if the Document is defeated.
*snip*
In conclusion, I would like to thank reader “John Boy” for pointing to Justice Scalia’s opinion in District of Columbia Et Al. v. Heller.
In that case, Justice Scalia took into consideration a certain historical legal reference:
The common references to those “fit to bear arms” in congressional discussions about the militia are matched by use of the same phrase in the few nonmilitary federal contexts where the concept would be relevant… Other legal sources frequently used “bear arms” in nonmilitary contexts.10
Now look at “footnote 10″:
E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, or, Principles of the Law of Nature 144 (1792) (“Since custom has allowed persons of rank and gentlemen of the army to bear arms in time of peace, strict care should be taken that none but these should be allowed to wear swords”);
Since Justice Scalia cited to this legal textbook in March of 2008, it’s not outrageous to think he might also refer to “The Laws of Nations” on the natural born Citizen issue?
I’ll leave you now with the relevant textbook definition of natural born citizen. The following was published in 1758.
This definition, added to all of the above, certainly establishes a rational legal basis to hold that Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen.
And more than that, it puts the burden on those who deny it to don the tin foil hat of despair and bring forthwith to the table of honest debate their own bed of authority to lie in:
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it.
The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born.
I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
~~PING!
read later
read later as well.
read again later
If you have not read information at this web site of Leo Donofrio, please do. http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Then please take 90 minutes sometime soon to listen to the video at this link below. At the link click on the video on the left titled: “WTP Obama Citizenship Challenge - National Press Club”. Information the media won’t report.
Also go to Freeper Joe Thunder’s web site FreedomMarch.org and read other information on the cases before the courts.
Joe’s program on Plains Radio this evening 12/11 at 9:00PM Eastern will be an update on things going on the media won’t report.
http://freedommarch.org/Home_Page.html
http://www.plainsradio.com/
Looks like Bobby Jindal can never be President of the United States.
Weren’t both of McCain’s parents US Citizens?
1] Sen. McCain is a U.S. Cit-zen because he was born in a U.S. Military hospital in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone. His father & mother were/are U.S. Cit zens and there fore is a “natural” born citzen.
2] And as distasteful as it seems Sen. Obama’s mother is/was a U.S. Citizen and under the 14th Amended of the Constitution is to be considered a Citizen. This is just IMHO.......
You sent me that a little bit ago lol.
I am still watching the video! thanks!
gnip...
This will be adjudicated, no matter how long it takes and no matter what the political and social pain
Not unless you can prove conclusively that his parents were naturalized citizens when he was born. Or so Donofrio would have us believe.
It’s not going anywhere. The *absolute best* one could ever get out of the Supreme Court would be an affirmation that “indeed” one has to be a natural-born citizen of the United States and leave it up to Congress to specify how one enforces this.
The issue goes back to Congress and Congress mulls around for a few years figuring it out. By the time Obama has left office, Congress may have it down to pass some legislation about the methodology for enforcement... LOL..
In other words, it’s going nohwere.
Is it any wonder that Bush and his Administration wants nothing to do with this. McCain and his campaign wants nothing to do with this. Palin wants nothing to do with this. Cheney wants nothing to do with this. The Republican Party wants nothing to do with this. Of course, the Democrats want nothing to do with this and neither does Obama (LOL...). You can add a long list of other officials and media and “you-name-it”, along with a list of conservatives who want “nothing to do with this”....
[”Jim, he’s dead!”]
:-)
Doubtful.
Jindal’s mom and dad were not citizens when he was born, they were here on student visas.
However, both Jindal and Obama are qualified to be president.
ping
America has changed since you were in school. We no longer have a justice system, these days it is a legal system. It is meant to employ members of the legal profession which doesn’t include anything about rendering justice.
If you've got a better way to consistently administer justice other than by creating a body of laws and following them, the world awaits your solution.
You said — “This will be adjudicated, no matter how long it takes and no matter what the political and social pain”
Ahhh.., that reminds me of a song — the lyrics go — “In the year 2525...”
LOL...
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