Posted on 01/11/2009 4:35:26 AM PST by dascallie
you could also send your freinds links to this website, compiled by FReeper Beckwith:
Chief you have done such an amazing amount of research on the Dunham family and 0’s youth. I wish you would write it all up as a biography and post it so that we could save it and use it as a reference against all the falsities that keep popping up on all these threads. I know a lot of it is on the very long thread but it would be nice to have the real biography all in one place. It could also be updated as more REAL information becomes available.
And when this is all said and done, CE and others who did all this research can write a book. Hopefully with the blanks filled in!
Anyway, I think this time line is excellent!
http://www.colony14.net/id41.html
In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:
“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... “
According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.
Obama knows this from his Quranic studies — and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.
Regardless of Obama’s religion, what message is he sending the world's 1.2 billion Muslims?
I suppose it's easy for Obama to remember the Shahada for the 35 years since he left Indonesia — and in ‘first-class’ Arabic — especially since he believes the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.”
The fact that Obama can recall the Shahada after 35 years and the fact that he believes that the daily call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth” say that those Muslim prayers run through his head often — what does that make him?
Original New York Times source — has been deleted by the New York Times — HERE is the Kristof article on another site.
He was there for 3 years when he was a small child yet he recalls this. Give me a break. Imagine it now scrubbed from the NYT. What a shocker. Was there ever a video of him reciting it? My guess is that it existed but is long gone now. I, not saying that a Muslim shouldn't be president( that's open to a whole other debate) what I am saying is that a pathological liar should not be.
“Wow the “guy” with the fake name and “unusual” degree is now a expert in Eugenics.”
Actually, make that Sociology 101 (and a not very good expert at that):
Polarik: “If you were a teenage mom back in 1961, the only way to avoid the stigma was to find someone to marry, if not the sperm donor himself.”
This “expert” apparently has never heard of the term “adoption”—a FAR more common solution to unexpected pregnancies for teen mothers than racially-mixed marriages. Adoptions likely numbered >125,000 in 1961.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/%22Put+up%22+on+platforms:+a+history+of+twentieth+century+adoption+policy...-a0151099642
In fact, the demand for adoption was so great that its stigma was declining rapidly during this period. At some level, the demand for adoptive babies was fueling efforts to encourage teen-age/single moms to give them up.
Of equal importance was rising demand for racially mixed babies in exactly this same period BHO was born: “The second phase began after the Korean War Korean War....in 1953. In this phase, “for the first time in history, relatively large numbers of Western couples ... were adopting children who were racially and culturally different from themselves” (Altstein and Simon, 1990, p. 3). This growth, along with the resulting expanded conception of the American family, continued throughout the rest of the century.”
Stanley Ann Dunham had a shotgun wedding by definition (i.e., wedding after conception). If by “shotgun” Polarik is alluding to an element of compulsion, that seems more dubious based on Senior’s subsequent behavior. Every account I’ve seen suggests it was Senior’s family (especially father) in Africa who found this new marriage most objectionable—yet Senior did it anyway! What leverage did the Dunhams have over Senior? In theory they could have threatened his scholarship, yet the instant he was done in Hawaii, he apparently had NO difficulty in skipping town to attend Harvard even though he’d won a scholarship elsewhere that would have permitted his family to join him. If the prospect of stigma had motivated Dunhams to arm-twist Senior into marriage in the first place, why wouldn’t the prospect of their child as a single mom with an undeniably black baby not have induced them to insist that Senior figure out a way to keep Stanley and Barack with him during graduate school?
On the contrary, to all appearances, the Dunhams abled and abetted both Stanley’s initial phase of single parent-hood and subsequent decision to essentially abandon Barack to his grandparents even though her second marriage to Soetoro had already failed. The Dunhams doted on Barack and the available family photos and stories give every appearance of grandparents who unashamedly raised their black grandson without the appearance of stigma or guilt about the situation.
Frank Davis Jr. was 37 seven years older than Stanley Ann Dunham. Yes, he lived in Hawaii, but he also had a wife (19 years his junior) at the time Stanley Ann began her studies. Moving from Sociology 101 or Psychology 101, does it really make even a SHRED of sense to argue that the Dunhams cajoled/coerced Senior into being a beard for Frank Davis Jr. in 1961, yet 10 years later, when the whole sorry mess had played out—Stanley & Barack abandoned by Senior and Barack in turn abandoned to be raised by grandparents while now-twice-divorced Stanley was in Indonesia—Stanley’s father would be good buddies with Frank Davis Jr.? Why wouldn’t he be OUTRAGED at that scum’s behavior and what it had done to any semblance of normal married life? Encouraging Obama to hang out with such a pathetic role model presumably would have been the last thing that would make sense to daddy Stanley as he pondered how he could help his son recover from a far-less-than-rosy first decade of life.
As for Malcolm X, what evidence is there that he crossed paths with a 17-year old school girl at University of Hawaii in November 1960? Malcolm married in 1958, had his first child later that year, another in 1960 and another in 1962. Unlike Senior, who’d essentially abandoned his first wife to take up with Stanley, Malcolm X’s life during this identical period strongly suggests a happily married family man rather than a philanderer. Moreover, he’d attained huge publicity by meeting Castro in September 1960. Why on earth would he put either his married life or career at risk by banging a naive college freshman not yet 18?
For what it is worth, the Kristof article (Obama: Man of the World, March 6th, 2007) at the New York Times has been restored:
You make way too much sense. The conclusions people come up with based on guesses about things they are speculating on are just ridiculous.
There is one photo of Jr as a baby (not infant) which was posted at the Chicago Tribune. The photo was released after the death of Madelyn Dunham Nov.2/08. The photo was professionally done and Jr is the only one in the photo. I guesstimate his age as between 6 & 8 months at that time. FredNerks has the most extensive collection of Jr photos and perhaps will post the baby image here. I concentrate on finding out information leaving the knowledge of posting images to those who are more adept with their arms and familiar with the process.
The photo you have posted is of a toddler in training pants after he and his mother returned to HI in early 1963.
I have simply spent enough time researching Jr and his family that I was able to pick those specific items as mistakes. It is a good timeline and as I mentioned before I had encountered it before and tried to contact the author about mistakes but was unable to do so. When I do my research I also play devil’s advocate with myself and search for what is known against actual circumstances. This was the way I established a timeline for the food stamp program among others.
When the article was printed about Frank Marshall Davis I spent the time finding out about his first marriage and the name of his first wife in order to provide the correct information regarding the seduction of the 13 year old Anne he mentioned in his sex novel. I also found out addresses associated with the family when they lived in HI and when they moved there. The same went for the rumor that Davis knew the Dunhams when he was in KS. The only way to provide evidence of whether something is true or not is to dig. Having a shattered upper right arm limits what one can do but a laptop with a touchpad does allow one to surf and to dig for the truth!
Thank-you kindly Fred! You never fail with your incredible photo collection and always knowing exactly which photo I am referring to! Incredible! Kudos to you!
the article has been restored...after editing, I notice, they removed the lines of the shahada that were in the original, printed in March 2007...not available in Archives either.
http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html
The New York Times article has been edited and restored, they removed the lines of the shahada included in the original article.
Most of what you included in your comment came straight from Beckwith's The Obama File WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION.
He was there for 3 years when he was a small child yet he recalls this. Give me a break.
He was there from the ages of six until ten. That's when Christian children learn the Lord's Prayer. I did. I haven't forgotten it. And it's a heck of a lot longer.
Imagine it now scrubbed from the NYT. What a shocker. Was there ever a video of him reciting it? My guess is that it existed but is long gone now.
No, it was not a video. The full original article is what you found on The Obama File, word for word.
I, not saying that a Muslim shouldn't be president( that's open to a whole other debate) what I am saying is that a pathological liar should not be.
Agreed. If he was/is muslim, all he had to do was tell us about it and let us decide...He could have said, 'Hello, my name is Barry Dunham-Soetoro, I'm a muslim and I want to be President...LOL!
If that is the case it wasn't intentional. I was on several sites, with links from one leading to another. I saw that, copied it, forgot the link. Oh and why would the NYT remove it, take that out then put it back?
Agree it is the best I’ve seen also ... and I’ve been searching them!
My post 38 …“Figures you’d find something wrong in that great new work at colony14! Anything else?
I’ll still send it out to the many. Best freely available compendium I’ve seen.”
If it sounded rude, Mr. Nerks, it wasn’t intended. Was actually intended as a compliment- should have maybe been stated “ “Figures you of all people...” .
I was new to the “Obama Timeline” of colony14, it is up to date, the author makes it available as a pdf via email.
Sorry to hear he hasn’t corrected on this matter according to “Chief”, who never fails to explain himself most rationally when conclusions can still be unsure (qualifying himself as speculating in the few instances a provable conclusion cannot be had).
Would certainly like to know other errors with colony14’s work, honestly. It IS the best compendium available, freely or not, until a certain someone or two come out with one.
I have no idea who colony14 is, BTW.
Personally, “Chief Engineer” has been nothing but prompt and courteous to me in an exchange or two, and I see nothing to indicate he acts any other way with others.
I have nothing but admiration for “Chief Engineer”.
And I’ll state it again:
I have nothing but admiration for “Chief Engineer”.
Just finished watching 24- what a show. And I’ll state it again: what a show.
ask the NYT. The original article had the shahada printed in it, the edited 'restored' version DOES NOT.
Why would they do that? I could give you a couple of my best guesses but I suggest you use your imagination.
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