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Did Bush open a door on his way out?.... Orly strikes again.
Orly ^ | 1/19/09

Posted on 01/19/2009 3:08:12 PM PST by Sorry screen name in use

A new action filed by Orly Taitz, ESQ based on the Executive Order by President Bush for the CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA Santa Ana Division

Alan Keyes, PhD., Wiley S. Drake, and Markham Robinson,

Plaintiffs

v.

Barack H. Obama, a/k/a Barack H. Obama, II a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro; Condoleeza Rice, in her capacity as Secretary of State; Robert Mueller, in his capacity as Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; and Michael W. Hager, in his capacity as Acting Director, Office of Personnel Management; and DOES 1-100 Defendants.

(Excerpt) Read more at drorly.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 911turthers; bho2008; birthcertificate; birthers; blackhelicopters; certifigate; conspiracytheories; donquixote; eligibility; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; scotus; tinfoilhats
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To: Ramius

“My SS number/card was issued several years after I was born, and in a different state.”

15 years after you were born?


21 posted on 01/19/2009 4:19:33 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: BlueYonder
What does this refer to?

President Bush issued an Executive Order on Friday. It's seemingly fairly innocuous, having to do with various departments (ie. State, Defense, Justice, etc) relying on background checks and other investigations conducted by and/or for departments other than themselves. The only thing I thought rather strange was the timing of the order. It didn't seem to be the sort of thing that a President would do "at the last minute", as they do pardons and commutations.

Background checks are manpower intensive and thus expensive. The language is a bit convoluted, but I took that to be because the author(s) were trying to cover all the various departments, which even use different terminology for much the same things regarding access to sensitive (classified) data. Thus it made sense to me that money could be saved when people, particularly contractors, move between departments or work on projects from multiple departments over the same period of time. Folks at my place of employment do that a lot, mainly NASA and DoD, but others as well.

However others seem to have found a few other little things in there that they think might be used to go after BHO, his Magic Birth Certificate, and his eligibility to the office of President of the United States.

22 posted on 01/19/2009 4:20:52 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BlueYonder
What does this refer to?

President Bush issued an Executive Order on Friday. It's seemingly fairly innocuous, having to do with various departments (ie. State, Defense, Justice, etc) relying on background checks and other investigations conducted by and/or for departments other than themselves. The only thing I thought rather strange was the timing of the order. It didn't seem to be the sort of thing that a President would do "at the last minute", as they do pardons and commutations.

Background checks are manpower intensive and thus expensive. The language is a bit convoluted, but I took that to be because the author(s) were trying to cover all the various departments, which even use different terminology for much the same things regarding access to sensitive (classified) data. Thus it made sense to me that money could be saved when people, particularly contractors, move between departments or work on projects from multiple departments over the same period of time. Folks at my place of employment do that a lot, mainly NASA and DoD, but others as well.

However others seem to have found a few other little things in there that they think might be used to go after BHO, his Magic Birth Certificate, and his eligibility to the office of President of the United States.

23 posted on 01/19/2009 4:21:01 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Mr. Know It All
Well, Mr. Know It All, how do you know that Obama is eligible for the office of President of the United States?

I do not know if he is or he is not. I have seen no proof either way. But since the question was raised by his paternal grandmother stating that he was born in Kenya, and he submitted a photoshopped or created birth certificate and has doggedly refused to produce the required proof of citizenship, then I have to wonder why.

I also have to further ask where A**Holes like you get off tell me, and others, to stfu. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about other than your opinion. Your opinion is no better than mine or others that are questioning the legality of his election. So why don't you F Off, get a life, and let me do what I want without your cutesy comments.

24 posted on 01/19/2009 4:27:50 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really! It's time; NOW)
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To: little jeremiah

This case doesn’t look as strong as the Donofrio case or any one of a number of other cases asking the question whether or not that Barak Obama is a “natural born citizen” of the United States as required by Article II Section I of the Constitution of the United States (BHO birth records sealed in Hawaii and great care has been taken for them to stay that way). At issue is an individuals right and ability to challenge a state’s Secretary of State to certify each candidate for president by making sure he passes the criteria, as set forth in the COTUS, as in New Jersey (SCOTUS did not vote to hear oral evidence in the Donofrio case), before awarding the states electoral vote to that candidate. That’s about as simplified as I can make it, to the best of my undertanding.


25 posted on 01/19/2009 4:29:16 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: Bigh4u2
15 years after you were born?

Mine was more like 18 years after I was born. Back in those days, children did not need a SSN right after birth. We weren't stapled, folded or mutilated until we needed a SSN to be able to go to work. It was not used for every little thing, but only as means for you to be taxed, and get credit for the taxes, both SS and Income, that your employer withheld from your check and sent to Uncle Sugar Daddy.

My wife got hers two years before I did, since she needed it for some sort of work she did at 16, while I didn't get a job of any sort until after high school, and got mine when I was 18.

26 posted on 01/19/2009 4:30:29 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Bigh4u2
15 years after you were born?

I don't remember exactly. I think I was ten. Back then it wasn't that big of a deal, if you remember. You didn't really need one until you got a job. The IRS didn't even require them on a 1040 for child deductions. I don't recall when that changed.

27 posted on 01/19/2009 4:30:47 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: PubliusMM

Hey, I’m with you all the way.

It appears that Dr. Taitz has found a way to make the Government perform their duties (as they swore to do).

I am also reasonably convinced that Obama is NOT ELIGIBLE to serve as President. Much of my opinion stems from observing Obama’s own actions. When someone hides something, they have something to hide.


28 posted on 01/19/2009 4:31:05 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Sorry screen name in use

If I am reading this right, Condoleeza Rice now has the power to invetigate, request legal BC of the O, by executive order. RIGHT? If this is right and has been done....hooooraaaay for Bush. Bush fixed it to where we can find out, Bush knows the truth.

But with the swearing tomorrow, is it too late, can Rice do anything to help prove he is legit.According to the document copies of the suite were sent to the following. If this was done on the 16th, Rice might have done some snooping already.

Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street Northwest
Washington, DC 20520
Phone: 202-647-4000

Robert S. Mueller, III
Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001

Michael W. Hager
Acting Director
The Office of Personnel Management
1900 E. Street, NW
Washington, DC 20415
Posted by Orly Taitz, DDS Esq. at 2:23 PM


29 posted on 01/19/2009 4:32:22 PM PST by nbhunt
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To: El Gato

Ya know...Now that you mention it.

I didn’t get mine until I had my first job when I was 14.

(sucks getting old and forgetting things)..

:0)


30 posted on 01/19/2009 4:33:03 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: rxsid

Yes indeed. Berg and Taitz appear to be making strides.

There is some sort of SCOTUS disposition potentially on January 21 in Berg vs. Obama. I’m trying to learn more info on what is happening here.


31 posted on 01/19/2009 4:34:12 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: Sorry screen name in use

Found the executive order, now if we have an legal eagle to translate please.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2009/01/20090116-1.html

For Immediate Release
January 16, 2009

Executive Order: Granting Reciprocity on Excepted Service and Federal Contractor Employee Fitness and Reinvestigating Individuals in Positions of Public Trust

White House News

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 1104(a)(1), 3301, and 7301 of title 5, United States Code, and in order to simplify and streamline the system of Federal Government personnel investigative and adjudicative processes to make them more efficient and effective, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. (a) When agencies determine the fitness of individuals to perform work as employees in the excepted service or as contractor employees, prior favorable fitness or suitability determinations should be granted reciprocal recognition, to the extent practicable.

(b) It is necessary to reinvestigate individuals in positions of public trust in order to ensure that they remain suitable for continued employment.

Sec. 2. Definitions. For the purposes of this order:

(a) “Agency” means an executive agency as defined in section 105 of title 5, United States Code, but does not include the Government Accountability Office.

(b) “Contractor employee” means an individual who performs work for or on behalf of any agency under a contract and who, in order to perform the work specified under the contract, will require access to space, information, information technology systems, staff, or other assets of the Federal Government. Such contracts, include, but are not limited to:

(i) personal services contracts;

(ii) contracts between any non-Federal entity and any agency; and

(iii) sub-contracts between any non-Federal entity and another non-Federal entity to perform work related to the primary contract with the agency.

(c) “Excepted service” has the meaning provided in section 2103 of title 5, United States Code, but does not include those positions in any element of the intelligence community as defined in the National Security Act of 1947, as amended, to the extent they are not otherwise subject to Office of Personnel Management appointing authorities.

(d) “Fitness” is the level of character and conduct determined necessary for an individual to perform work for or on behalf of a Federal agency as an employee in the excepted service (other than a position subject to suitability) or as a contractor employee.

(e) “Fitness determination” means a decision by an agency that an individual has or does not have the required level of character and conduct necessary to perform work for or on behalf of a Federal agency as an employee in the excepted service (other than a position subject to suitability) or as a contractor employee. A favorable fitness determination is not a decision to appoint or contract with an individual.

(f) “Position of Public Trust” has the meaning provided in 5 CFR Part 731.

(g) “Suitability” has the meaning and coverage provided in 5 CFR Part 731.

Sec. 3. Agency Authority to Set Fitness Criteria and Determine Equivalency. The authority to establish criteria for making fitness determinations remains within the discretion of the agency head. Agency heads also have the discretion to determine whether their criteria are equivalent to suitability standards established by the Office of Personnel Management. Agency heads shall take into account Office of Personnel Management guidance when exercising this discretion.

Sec. 4. Reciprocal Recognition of Fitness and Suitability Determinations. (a) Except as provided by subsection (b) of this section, agencies making fitness determinations shall grant reciprocal recognition to a prior favorable fitness or suitability determination when:

(i) the gaining agency uses criteria for making fitness determinations equivalent to suitability standards established by the Office of Personnel Management;

(ii) the prior favorable fitness or suitability determination was based on criteria equivalent to suitability standards established by the Office of Personnel Management; and

(iii) the individual has had no break in employment since the favorable determination was made.

(b) Exceptions to Reciprocal Recognition. A gaining agency is not required to grant reciprocal recognition to a prior favorable fitness or suitability determination when:

(i) the new position requires a higher level of investigation than previously conducted for that individual;

(ii) an agency obtains new information that calls into question the individual’s fitness based on character or conduct; or

(iii) the individual’s investigative record shows conduct that is incompatible with the core duties of the new position.

Sec. 5. Reinvestigation of Individuals in Positions of Public Trust. Individuals in positions of public trust shall be subject to reinvestigation under standards (including but not limited to the frequency of such reinvestigation) as determined by the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, to ensure their suitability for continued employment.

Sec. 6. Responsibilities. (a) An agency shall report to the Office of Personnel Management the nature and results of the background investigation and fitness determination (or later changes to that determination) made on an individual, to the extent consistent with law.

(b) The Director of the Office of Personnel Management is delegated authority to implement this order, including the authority to issue regulations and guidance governing suitability, or guidance related to fitness, as the Director determines appropriate.

Sec. 7. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order shall not suspend, impede, or otherwise affect Executive Order 10450 of April 27, 1953, as amended, or Executive Order 13467 of June 30, 2008;

(d) This order is intended only to improve the internal management of the executive branch and is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

Sec. 8. Effective Date and Applicability. This order is effective upon issuance and is applicable to individuals newly appointed to excepted service positions or hired as contractor employees beginning 90 days from the effective date of this order.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

January 16, 2009.

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32 posted on 01/19/2009 4:40:29 PM PST by nbhunt
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To: Ramius

Yeah. I remembered.

See post #30.


33 posted on 01/19/2009 4:42:45 PM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Sorry screen name in use; seeks the truth; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; ...

Thanks, seeksthetruth.

Ping.


34 posted on 01/19/2009 4:43:43 PM PST by LucyT
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To: little jeremiah

A. This is a complaint to direct the powers that be (Secretary of State, Director of FBI, Director of Personnel Mgmt) to do their jobs.
B. The legal authority for them to do their jobs is cited.
C. The matters available to anyone for review in the public record are set forth as the reason for the court to demand that O prove he is eligible.
D. The complaint includes, in addition to the Constitutional provisions about eligibility to run for president, the statute they used to put Martha Stewart in jail - lying to a Federal authority.


35 posted on 01/19/2009 4:43:43 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: nbhunt

You are reading it right. She is in charge of immigration issues and passports.

It is not too late. The election is void. The defense will argue it is too late (moot) but it is not.


36 posted on 01/19/2009 4:45:57 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: All

This is being discussed on Plains Radio right now.


37 posted on 01/19/2009 4:47:17 PM PST by LucyT
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To: esquirette

It will never be moot, since he is not a NBC


38 posted on 01/19/2009 4:49:25 PM PST by nbhunt
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To: cvq3842
"Whether it renders him ineligible for office remains to be seen."

Let's not forget, first and foremost, Barry could never be a Natural Born Citizen....even if he were born in D.C. itself! Here's why:

Barry was a British subject at birth (something he openly acknowledges).

Our 'founding fathers' and framers of our Constitution were British subjects at birth.

Our founders and framers obtained citizenship (NOT natural born though) via the Declaration of Independence.

Our founders and framers knew that they did not meet the 'Natural Born Citizen' clause in Article II section I.

So....what did they do?

They wrote in the 'or' part of the requirement.

Article II section I (in part) says: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

'Natural Born Citizen' means...AT birth, not attained latter in life!

They grandfathered themselves into the requirement. If they hadn't done that, the first time our young country could have possibly have had a 'Natural Born' President, would have been 1811! 1776 (Year of Independence) + 35 years. Obviously a problem.

And, obviously Barry wasn't around at that time (of the adoption of the Constitution), so he does not fit the 'or' part like our founders did. Both were British subjects at birth and therefore both do not (did not) fit 'Natural Born' citizen requirement.

39 posted on 01/19/2009 4:50:21 PM PST by rxsid
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To: Mr. Know It All

What?


40 posted on 01/19/2009 4:51:31 PM PST by IrishPennant (Patriotism is strongest when accompanied by bad politics, loyal FRiends and great whiskey)
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