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Rudy Giuliani Explains Republican Party's Failure in 2008
Crimson Politics ^ | 1/21/09 | Brian Kane

Posted on 01/21/2009 4:36:24 PM PST by Crimson Politics

Rudy Giuliani analyzes the reason the Republican party is losing in recent years and what it can do to enlarge it's base. Stressing the importance of big tent politics and under-emphasizing social issues. In any case, the economy is the main reason McCain lost, but other social issues have also created a bad stereotype of Republicans in general.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; bigtent; democrats; election2008; fromwithin; giuliani; gop; goploss; goptovictory; neocons; obama; politics; republicanparty; republicans; rino; rinorudy; rudy; socialconservatism; takeahikerudy

1 posted on 01/21/2009 4:36:27 PM PST by Crimson Politics
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To: Crimson Politics

Welcome to FR. I’m still waiting for Rudy to explain his own stupid campaign decisions.


2 posted on 01/21/2009 4:38:10 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Crimson Politics

Take it from Rootie, the one guy who might have just been worse than McCain.


3 posted on 01/21/2009 4:38:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Crimson Politics

Just another RINO that will never receive my vote....


4 posted on 01/21/2009 4:39:46 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: cripplecreek; Liz

Hey Rudy, how’s that one delegate? Was he really worth the millions of dollars and cold-chicken dinners in Florida?


5 posted on 01/21/2009 4:41:33 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Crimson Politics

6 posted on 01/21/2009 4:41:54 PM PST by 50mm (Kitties are restless.)
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To: Crimson Politics
Rudy Giuliani Explainsone of the Republican Party's Failures in 2008, explains himself

FIXED IT!!!

7 posted on 01/21/2009 4:42:11 PM PST by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (Isaiah 6:8)
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To: Crimson Politics
what it can do to enlarge it's base

Option A: Viagra

Option B: Cialis

Option C: Enzyte

8 posted on 01/21/2009 4:45:28 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: Crimson Politics

rivvet rivvet, burp, yawn.


9 posted on 01/21/2009 4:47:01 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: Crimson Politics
Looks a little bit beside the point.

Republicans lost on administration, on getting things done right and keeping stuff from falling apart.

When the Democrats screw up, we'll be back.

10 posted on 01/21/2009 4:47:11 PM PST by x
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To: Crimson Politics

Well obviously President Giuliani is qualified to tell us how to win campaigns in middle America, so we should all listen to him.


11 posted on 01/21/2009 4:48:47 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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To: Crimson Politics
There is a more than large enough Republican base to win back the congress and the White House if the party would actually run a candidate the base could stomach instead of the big tent, luke warm, Democrat lite and Ted Kennedy wannabe’s that have dominated the party for the last 8 years in.
12 posted on 01/21/2009 4:51:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Crimson Politics

Thanks for the article. However, most of the people on this thread won’t read it. They’ll just look at the title and start bashing Rudy.


13 posted on 01/21/2009 4:56:34 PM PST by EveningStar (Socialism in the USA began in 1933. In 2009 it kicked into warp drive.)
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To: Crimson Politics

Giuliani thinks we focus too much on social issues.

But we nominated McCain, who is supposedly America’s favorite Republican. He’s not particularly “right wing” about anything at all, except bringing the war to a successful conclusion which supposedly Obama wants to do too.

So I’ll take the opposite tack. We tried a guy who was embarrassed to be Republican. Next time lets find someone who is capable of explaining what Republicanism is and who is capable of persuading people to agree with him. Thats how you win elections the right way, by persuading people, not by positioning yourself in the middle of your opponent’s demographic.


14 posted on 01/21/2009 4:57:53 PM PST by marron
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To: Crimson Politics

Yet another political genius speaks. Court the fringe and alienate your base. That’s the ticket!


15 posted on 01/21/2009 4:58:18 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Crimson Politics

No vote for him and each of the others—not in my lifetime. None of them even came close except Duncan Hunter.


16 posted on 01/21/2009 5:02:44 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: marron

“But we nominated McCain, who is supposedly America’s favorite Republican. He’s not particularly “right wing” about anything at all, except bringing the war to a successful conclusion which supposedly Obama wants to do too.”

Meanwhile the left considered McCain a fascist and a Nazi.


17 posted on 01/21/2009 5:07:29 PM PST by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: Crimson Politics

The republicans lost for a simple reason. On way too many issues, they are completely indistinguishable from the ‘Rats.

Plus, they are as greedy and corrupt as the day is long.


18 posted on 01/21/2009 5:23:02 PM PST by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: Crimson Politics

I believe that in a time of strife, people look for a LEADER, plain and simple.

Remember when McCain did his “fight with me” speech? People went wild. Then he went back to acting like a wimp.

Obama won because he promised everyone, everything BUT also, because he appeared to be a confident, capable leader who could fix the problems facing this country.

We don’t have the wrong ideas in the Republican Party. In this election, we had a lack of a marketable, strong leader who could convince the public that he could lead us to a better America.


19 posted on 01/21/2009 5:23:20 PM PST by dianed
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To: marron

Gotta agree with Guiliani here. I am a Conservative, not a Republican. Rudy turned around NYC, a liberal bastion, with sound Conservative principals. OK, so he dresses up like a chick and could care less if 2 dudes marry. I have never seen it as government’s job to dictate morality so I could care less. The Republicans have made themselves to be the Christianity party, but last I checked the USA was a secular country and as far as I am concerned it should stay that way.
Talk to anyone who is not a thug and lived in NYC, Rudy did wonders for that city and it’s business owners. Love to see him do it with the rest of the country. As long as we keep our guns that is....my only drawback on the guy. And don’t forget, if they go after the second amendment, gun rights advocates can make a much better riot than inner city thugs.......


20 posted on 01/21/2009 6:04:28 PM PST by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: Crimson Politics
Rudy has not recently demonstrated much interest in what Republican Conservatives actually give a $hit about.
21 posted on 01/21/2009 6:07:27 PM PST by Radix (There are 2 kinds of people in this world. Those with loaded guns & those who dig. You dig.)
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To: Clemenza; Condor51; calcowgirl; BGHater; Calpernia; raybbr; TommyDale
Giuliani Explains Republican Party's Failure in 2008.........

Golly----we were all waiting w/ baited breath to hear Rooty's take, now weren't we (/s).

You gotta wonder about this nitwit's mental stability. Ghouliani-----a puppet of the pukeneos----spent $60M and got one delegate (that he shared).

Ghouli kept saying he was "saving" himself for Florida to avoid those "horrid" conservatives lurkng in early states. At the same time, the lisping little jerk was running furiously (and losing) in every primary/caucus state.

FLORIDA AT LAST Ghouli campaigned 63 days straight in his "Fla stronghold" and came in a distant third......even with his "powerhouse" voting bloc, "Israelis for Giuliani" who flew in, just to vote for him.

Rudy's 2008 campaign has achieved cult status-----as the stupidest, losingest campaign in US political history.

22 posted on 01/21/2009 6:08:56 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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23 posted on 01/21/2009 6:12:47 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: marron

You assume... ASSUME that just because McCain use to have some liberal tendencies back in 2000, that he lost the election.

You completely ignore the completely embarrassing videos of Sarah Palin interviews, although she may be a smart person, her answers were really dumb.

You completely ignore the fact that the economy collapsed under a Republican president (the George Bush (Sr.) effect)

You completely ignore that we are in a massively unpopular war in Iraq, even if we are RIGHT on Iraq.

Guess what, if a more right-wing person was elected? We wouldn’t have even gotten that 44% of the national vote.

Stop ignoring the facts... If McCain ran the same exact campaign, even with Palin against a WHITE Democrat while the economy is booming... McCain would have won a major landslide.


24 posted on 01/21/2009 6:13:43 PM PST by Crimson Politics
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To: EveningStar

Rudy would have wiped the floor with Obama, but noooooo, the GOP wanted someone clear as the driven snow, so we got stuck with McLame.


25 posted on 01/21/2009 6:16:13 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Crimson Politics

The Republicans lost for one simple reason. They did not run on solid conservative principles. The fools still haven’t learned what most of us shouted about all through the campaign. Run and govern from a conservative position you win, run FROM conservative positions and you lose. It ain’t that damn difficult.


26 posted on 01/21/2009 6:19:24 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: rabscuttle385
RINO RUDY PRAYS FOR VICTORY

" P-l-e-a-s-e make me sound conservative. I'm losing my butt out there."

"My neocon masters told me I didn't need those redneck gun nuts and
those dumb pro-life Christian conservatives to make a primary showing."

"They're killing me on FR just b/c I dumped my wife for my mistress, don't talk
to my kids, was honored by NARAL, donated to Planned Parenthood, marched
for gay rights under the NAMBLA banner, appointed gays and pedophiles
to top city jobs, and provided a sanctuary for illegals."

"If I win, I promise I won't kick so/con Repubs to the curb and won't
religiously cleanse the Party like my neocon masters want me to do, in exchange
for campaign contributions."

27 posted on 01/21/2009 6:24:11 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: dfwgator

“Rudy would have wiped the floor with Obama, but noooooo, the GOP wanted someone clear as the driven snow, so we got stuck with McLame.”

Actually we got stuck with Hussein Obama. I agree that Rudy would have beaten Obama like a drum, it wouldn’t have even been close.

Do you think Rudy’s first executive order would have been to stop the military trials of the terrorists, as Obama just did?


28 posted on 01/21/2009 6:41:14 PM PST by FocusNexus ("Good and evil are present in this world, and between the two there can be no compromise." GW Bush)
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To: Crimson Politics

Giuliani’s 12 Commitments — compare them with Obama’s agenda.

The twelve commitments:

-I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.
-I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.
-I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.
-I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.
-I will impose accountability on Washington.
-I will lead America towards energy independence.
-I will give Americans more control over, and access to, healthcare with affordable and portable free-market solutions.
-I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.
-I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.
-I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
-I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.
-I will expand America’s involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.


29 posted on 01/21/2009 6:47:26 PM PST by FocusNexus ("Good and evil are present in this world, and between the two there can be no compromise." GW Bush)
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To: Crimson Politics

... and you sir, are assuming WRONG! When Sarah came aboard John McCain stood his ONLY CHANCE of winning.
Because of the compromising in the Republican Party, for the first time in over 50 years of voting, my husband and I will be registering to vote Independent!!


30 posted on 01/21/2009 6:53:23 PM PST by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: FocusNexus

Yep, Rudy is looking pretty damn good right now.


31 posted on 01/21/2009 6:56:10 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: upsdriver
The Republicans lost for one simple reason. They did not run on solid conservative principles.

BINGO!!! We have a WINNER!!! You are exactly right!

32 posted on 01/21/2009 6:56:20 PM PST by pollywog (I will lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. My help comes from the Lord...Ps 121)
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To: Crimson Politics
You assume... ASSUME that just because McCain use to have some liberal tendencies back in 2000, that he lost the election.

GTFOOH. Assume? In 2000? What about his vote FOR the 'bailout' in 2008?

What about is support of blanket Amnesty for illegal immigrants in 2007?

What about his support of increased 'gun control' in 2005?

What about McCain-Feingold in 2004?

McCains a frigging liberal.

If it weren't for Palin he'd have lost by ten million votes instead of just 5 million.

God, I am soooo sick of liberal newbies wandering in....

L

33 posted on 01/21/2009 7:18:11 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: dfwgator
Rudy would have wiped the floor with Obama, but noooooo, the GOP wanted someone clear as the driven snow, so we got stuck with McLame.

Agree with you completely. Wonder what a Giuliani/Palin ticket would have done.

34 posted on 01/21/2009 7:28:47 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Lurker

Actually, McCain did lose by 10 million votes. To be exact, 9,522,111 votes the last time I checked.


35 posted on 01/21/2009 8:20:29 PM PST by gtsamson
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To: Lurker

Only a liberal would assume that a pro-life, pro-Iraq-war, pro-Bush, pro-Securing-our-borders, pro-free-market, pro-tax-cuts, pro-2nd-amendment, pro-national-security, pro-cutting-back-spending, pro-small-government Republican like JOHN MCCAIN, “is a liberal”.

Ignorance is bliss, maybe you should have read John McCain’s website and his voting record a little better. Did he make mistakes? YES. Did he cross the aisle a bit too much? YES. Was he still a conservative and held strong on conservative issues? YES.

John McCain may have had some liberal votes at times, but he voted against liberals waaaay more. So let’s average his pro-conservative votes in, and then we see the TRUE story.

Let me clarify, John McCain is not the perfect conservative. That doesn’t mean that a more perfect conservative in your view, could have done any better.


36 posted on 01/21/2009 8:20:29 PM PST by Crimson Politics
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To: Crimson Politics
Pro securing our border? You're demonstrably insane.

McRino was pro-Amnesty. That ain't 'securing' sh**, Scooter.

Pro tax cuts? McCain voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts. Remember that Skippy?

Pro free market? McCain voted to throw the the last vestiges of the free market into the scrap heap with his idiotic support of the bank 'bailout'.

Pro 2nd Amendment? McCain voted against gun owners with his support of closing a non-existent 'gun show loophole'.

Listen noob, McCain got his ass handed to him because he's a liberal. He was quite rightly rejected by the Party base because he's been pissing on us for decades all the while trying to convince us it's raining.

Peddle your BS somewhere else RINO. It ain't wanted here.

Our job is to toss traitors like you OUT of the Republican Party, not let more of you in.

L

37 posted on 01/21/2009 8:36:53 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Crimson Politics

It’s the turn to pandering, spending, big government and giving up on winning issues with great ideas that has ruined the GOP. People like Rudy, McCain, and the Bush family are the sources of the trouble.


38 posted on 01/21/2009 8:41:20 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: dfwgator

Giuliani could not win anything. Witness the primaries.

And McCain was never the selection of social conservatives either: he hates social conservatives.


39 posted on 01/22/2009 12:04:29 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Crimson Politics

McCain has never been for the Right to Life.

He is a liar whom no one likes.

He supported the Iraq War.

I don’t.


40 posted on 01/22/2009 12:05:45 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Crimson Politics


41 posted on 01/22/2009 5:35:42 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Irish Eyes

Exactly what sort of snow was McCain supposedly as pure as?


42 posted on 01/22/2009 3:55:58 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Lurker; Crimson Politics

>>Pro securing our border? You’re demonstrably insane.

McRino was pro-Amnesty. That ain’t ‘securing’ sh**, Scooter.<<

McC is actually worse than just “pro-amnesty.” He is one of the ring leaders, and he won’t give up. But he is, apparently, a good enough liar to fool some naive individuals like the OP here.


43 posted on 01/23/2009 5:45:20 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Don’t call me naive, when you’re the idiot who didn’t read McCain’s website and policies of securing our borders and his backing off of amnesty.

Things he’s said:
“# I’ve never supported amnesty. (Jan 2006)
# We have to secure the borders first. (Jan 2006) “

“Deport 2 million illegal immigrants who committed crimes. (Jan 2008) “
These are paraphrases from John McCain.


Here’s John McCain’s voting record — EDUCATE YOURSELF INSTEAD OF WHINING ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN’S PAST (which he admits he was wrong about).

# Voted YES on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
# Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)

It’s not the prettiest voting record for immigration, but that is because the constituency he has in Arizona — the businesses there REQUIRE illegal aliens to run business. This is why he supported liberal legislation in the past. He later admitted he was wrong to do that.


44 posted on 01/23/2009 8:54:58 PM PST by Crimson Politics
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To: Crimson Politics
>>“# I’ve never supported amnesty. (Jan 2006)<<

A damned lie! He can't wait to try to do it again.

>># We have to secure the borders first. (Jan 2006) “<<

Talk is cheap. You are naive. Hillary and Obama claim they will "secure the borders." McCain's amnesty bill last year would have granted instant legal status. Kennedy approves.

45 posted on 01/24/2009 12:26:06 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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