Skip to comments.Global Warming Consensus Narrows – Still Misleading
Posted on 01/22/2009 7:24:13 AM PST by RogerFGay
Earth and Environmental Scientist Peter Doran recently surveyed 3,146 scientists in an effort to clarify the scientific consensus on global warming. Professor Doran has previously complained that his study revealing cooling in the Antarctic had been misinterpreted, causing confusion in the global warming debate. Here we go again.
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There are NO scientists who believe that mankind's emission of CO2 has NOT contributed to the global climate cycle. The only valid question is "how much, compared to other factors". And right now, the correct answer is "not very damned much".
The globe has been cooling since 1998. The real question is, how thick does the ice have to be over New York City before they admit they were wrong, and reverse all the Global Warming policies?
Cold is the new warm. Recession is the new boom. Down is the new up.
We've always been at war with Eurasia...
If you pee in the ocean, do you contribute to it being wet? Yes. Is it significant? No.
Global warming, for whatever reason, is NOT tied to the amount of CO2, or even heat, formed by anthropogenic sources. The only rationalization for this insistence on making CO2 the culprit, is the basis for a new trading scheme and a taxation on wealth formation. This is similar to the selling of indulgences by various hucksters posing as representatives of the church back in the latter part of the Middle Ages, and is equally as unworthy.
Is C02 output by man THE dominative force?
And if so, what is the natural dominative force supposed to be?
Would not swift climate change occur naturally anyways as it has in the past?
Are we not headed for another ice age in the next few thousand years?
And if so, could human activity actually delay that?
I bet you would get far less willing to stick their necks out on those.
It may be that they contacted over 10K, inviting participation in the survey, but only a bit over 3K responded / i.e. participated.
But even that might be telling. Less than one third of the scientists invited to participate in the survey thought it important enough to participate.
Another really GOOD ONE! I heard that there was a new Rasmussen poll about glowbull warming and less than half of those polled think human caused global warming exists, most said it is a natural climate cycle.
Hy daughter is a geoscientist/hydrogeologist and she LAUGHS at human caused glowbull warming!
Sorry, but that is simply wrong. Like it or not, mankind does release CO2 into the atmosphere, so it "does" contribute some small additional fraction of the global energy balance. The science for that effect is incontrovertible. What "is" in question, as I pointed out, is how much is that small contribution with respect to the total climatological energy balance. The best science says, not much.
And that SAME "best science" is also starting to tell us that we may be heading into another Ice Age, which would be infinitely worse in it's impact than any POSSIBLE effect due to the worst case global warming.
200 years of warming due to human activity? SUVs and ACs in 1809?
My sister in Iowa and my friend in Michigan would agree with you! They have had enough snow this winter!
Thanks for the link. I added reference to it in the article.
VERY good analogy, and precisely my point.
Global warming is being undermined by real science. Theories in science are not based on consensus, but on being able to demonstrate with further experiments that the theory is indeed correct. The CO2 driven man caused global warming theory is failing because more and more actual experiments and data analysis do not support the hypothesis. Al Gore’s charge that no further research was needed as there was a consensus of scientists who blindly accepted the theory was the antithesis of true science.
Rasmussen: 44% Say Global Warming Due To Planetary Trends, Not People
Forty-four percent (44%) of U.S. voters now say long-term planetary trends are the cause of global warming, compared to 41% who blame it on human activity.
The sea-level composition of air (in percent by volume at the temperature of 15°C and the pressure of 101325 Pa) is given below.
Name -Symbol -Percent by Volume
Nitrogen -N2 -78.084 %
Oxygen -O2 -20.9476 %
Argon -Ar -0.934 %
Dioxide -CO2 -0.0314 %
Neon -Ne -0.001818 %
Methane -CH4 -0.0002 %
Helium -He -0.000524 %
Krypton -Kr -0.000114 %
Hydrogen -H2 -0.00005 %
Xenon -Xe -0.0000087 %
Water vapor is a highly variable component of the atmosphere, ranging from less than 1% to more than 4% of the volume of a given amount of air, and is expressed as “relative humidity”.
CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
by David R. Lide, Editor-in-Chief
As is clearly obvious from the above, CO2 is a VERY small but highly important part of our atmosphere. Without it, plant life dies.
And of that very small part of the atmosphere that IS carbon dioxide, only a very tiny fraction of THAT is from anthropogenic sources. Easily absorbed by the growing green plants under sunshine, which are very close to starvation levels with some 300 parts per million CO2 levels.
Why is there a tree line on mountains? Not because there is no oxygen, but because the heavier CO2 molecule cannot rise in sufficient quantites to that altitude, to provide for adequate growth for trees to survive. In fact, most of the CO2 in the world is dissolved in that other substance that covers some 70% of the world’s surface, water. And much of that ends up as sedimentary rock, known as limestone.
And if you try to raise your voice to counteract the howling chorus of Greenies that are determined to shut down all civilization, does it have any more effect than a whiz by the seaside?
>>And right now, the correct answer is “not very damned much”.<<
I think of it as the effect a mouse who is huddled in the corner of a high school gym has on the rooms temperature and CO2 content.
And the door is open.
Yup. As a chemist, I’m well aware of all of these facts.
Looks like I picked the wrong millenium to move from Arizona to Minneosota...
Suck on that, Al Gore.
Very good reply. Mind if I use it to educate some Enviro-Luddites?
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