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Texas School Fires Coach for Winning Too Big: Gen. MacArthur Would Be Disgusted
Evil Conservative Radio ^ | 27 January 2009 | EC

Posted on 01/27/2009 9:14:14 AM PST by nysuperdoodle

I always thought coaches got fired for losing. On the same day he sent an email refusing to apologize for his team's success, a Texas high school girls' basketball coach was terminated. The coach, Micah Grimes, of Dallas' Covenant School, had come under fire for winning a game 100-0, making national news.

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1 posted on 01/27/2009 9:14:15 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle

In this mismatch the fired coach continued a full court press and fast break offense, grossly exacerbating the difference.


2 posted on 01/27/2009 9:16:10 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: nysuperdoodle
It is so ridiculous, I can not fathom the firing. What he is supposed to say “don't play your best, the other team might cry”.
3 posted on 01/27/2009 9:16:28 AM PST by svcw (Great selection of gift baskets: http://baskettastic.com/)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Firing the guy is ridiculous, but so was continuing a full-court press and shooting threes against a vastly inferior opponent.


4 posted on 01/27/2009 9:18:40 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: nysuperdoodle

I strongly believe that you do NOT do people favors by letting them win. Not even special-ed students.


5 posted on 01/27/2009 9:18:58 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I figure the odds be fifty-fifty I just might have somethin' to say)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Look on the bright side. At least Sullenberger wasn’t fired for saving too many passengers. After all, he might have hurt the feelings of the other pilots who are less skilled than he is.


6 posted on 01/27/2009 9:19:07 AM PST by devere
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To: svcw

“What he is supposed to say “don’t play your best, the other team might cry”.”

You can p[lay your best by practicing things that don’t run up the score so much. Things like a set offense or half-court defense.


7 posted on 01/27/2009 9:20:05 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: DBCJR

There is no mercy rule in basketball.


8 posted on 01/27/2009 9:20:13 AM PST by Carley (Remember when we had a real President)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

“I strongly believe that you do NOT do people favors by letting them win.”

So a score of say 75-0 or even 75-2 would have been letting the other team win? Strange.


9 posted on 01/27/2009 9:21:43 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: svcw
High school basketball is not just about winning. It's about sportsmanship also. Obviously the coach couldn't understand that let alone teach it to his players.
10 posted on 01/27/2009 9:22:39 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget (July 4, 2009 see you there))
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To: nysuperdoodle
He was not fired until after he publicly disagreed with the school's statement about the game. This is most likely the reason. Whether or not he was truly fired for winning by 'too' much is a matter of debate.
11 posted on 01/27/2009 9:22:57 AM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: gracesdad

I think it would be wrong for the coach to cheat the other team out of the lesson they learned by losing 100-0. Forget about what message it would send to his own girls... that’s bad enough. You play sports 100% and I don’t think that the basketball court is an appropriate place to have equality-of-outcome liberalism rear its ugly head


12 posted on 01/27/2009 9:23:27 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: gracesdad

The losing team was lucky that they weren’t playing Mayan
rules basketball!


13 posted on 01/27/2009 9:23:49 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Carley

“There is no mercy rule in basketball.”

So when the coach of my son’s high school team (my son doesn’t play) sent in all subs when they were ahead by 30 with three minutes left the other night, he was violating this no-mercy rule?


14 posted on 01/27/2009 9:23:56 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: nysuperdoodle
If only the losers would have gotten a "You Are Special" trophy, all would be well.

Who scheduled such a mismatch?

There is a 10 run rule in Little League Baseball, maybe Girls Basketball needs something similar?

15 posted on 01/27/2009 9:24:15 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Carley

No. It is a gentleman’s understanding.


16 posted on 01/27/2009 9:24:17 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: nysuperdoodle
When did he pull his first stringers? I heard that it was when the score was 88-0, but I haven't seen anything definitive.
17 posted on 01/27/2009 9:24:48 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: svcw
continued a full court press and fast break offense

One "holiday season" my (new wife) and myself returned to my in-laws home . . . my father-in-law owned a ping pong table. We played over the next 10 days. He lost every game. My wife 'cut me off' one night and said "why don't you let daddy win a game?"

I said because he didn't win a game!

Almost 50 years later I have not understood the concept of "throwing" a game.

"War is Hell."

18 posted on 01/27/2009 9:25:10 AM PST by Freeper (Remote Space is not that Remote. If you could drive your car straight up - it's only an hour away.)
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To: paul51

Unfortunately, far too many freepers can’t seem to grasp the concept either. Some cannot distinguish between “running up the score” and “letting the other team win”


19 posted on 01/27/2009 9:26:03 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: DBCJR

>>In this mismatch the fired coach continued a full court press and fast break offense, grossly exacerbating the difference.<<

Not according to his staement.

But to be honest, I wasn’t there.

He did use the whole bench.


20 posted on 01/27/2009 9:26:31 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: Dr. Ursus
The losing team was lucky that they weren’t playing Mayan rules basketball!

Then again, they might have tried harder.

21 posted on 01/27/2009 9:27:44 AM PST by Drew68
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To: TexGuy

>>He was not fired until after he publicly disagreed with the school’s statement about the game. This is most likely the reason. Whether or not he was truly fired for winning by ‘too’ much is a matter of debate.<<

I think you’ve hit the kernel here.

This is not about basketball. Basketball was merely the spark.


22 posted on 01/27/2009 9:28:06 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

“I think it would be wrong for the coach to cheat the other team out of the lesson they learned by losing 100-0.”

Please detail the lessons learned by losing 100-0 that wouldn’t be learned by losing, say, 70-0. I breathlessly await your insights. I’m not talking here about missing shots on purpose or letting the other team shoot unopposed.

“You play sports 100% and I don’t think that the basketball court is an appropriate place to have equality-of-outcome liberalism rear its ugly head.”

So I guess you would disagree with sending in subs when the game has been decided? I mean, after all, that would lower the score some.


23 posted on 01/27/2009 9:28:27 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Freeper
Almost 50 years later I have not understood the concept of "throwing" a game. "War is Hell."

First of all, no one is talking about throwing the game and second of all, it's basketball, not war. The coach exhibited rotten sportsmanship and deserves censure (not sure about firing). Running up the score against an obviously outclassed opponent shows a lack of class and should be criticized, not praised.

24 posted on 01/27/2009 9:28:58 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: nysuperdoodle

I just wanted to chime in to appreciate the irony of the title; since MacArthur was fired for wanting to win.


25 posted on 01/27/2009 9:29:07 AM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: RobRoy

I was not there either but the person who did the firing reported it on the news. There is honor and respect among warriors on the field of play as well as on the field of battle. This was not honorable.


26 posted on 01/27/2009 9:29:28 AM PST by DBCJR (What would you expect?)
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To: KarlInOhio

>>When did he pull his first stringers?<<

I believe it was after the first quarter. I could be wrong. His letter is posted on another thread and he explains it there.


27 posted on 01/27/2009 9:29:31 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: gracesdad

In my daughter’s league, when the score became over 20 point margin, Pressing was shut of by the officials.


28 posted on 01/27/2009 9:29:59 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: xsmommy

“Unfortunately, far too many freepers can’t seem to grasp the concept either. Some cannot distinguish between “running up the score” and “letting the other team win”

Good way to put it. Hard to understand how a 70-0 game would have been “letting the other team win.”


29 posted on 01/27/2009 9:30:54 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: RobRoy

Who expects to do their job well and then be publicly excoriated for it by their employers? He just returned fire. He was right to do so.

As to the score... would it be ok if he only won 50-0? Or would it have to be 20-0? or does he need to let them score? See where this is heading? It’s a slippery slope with nothing but “feelings” to guide you. It’s a symptom of a sick society that so many people want to criticize and penalize success.


30 posted on 01/27/2009 9:31:25 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: RobRoy; KarlInOhio

The winning team has only 8 players.


31 posted on 01/27/2009 9:32:02 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: Doohickey

You got it! His quote re: Army Football: Upon the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that, on other days, in other places, will BEAR THE FRUITS OF VICTORY.”

I rest my case


32 posted on 01/27/2009 9:33:10 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: gracesdad

This is nonsense. The girls on that Dallas Academy team want to PLAY basketball! Because they are playing an inferior team they can’t play the style they enjoy?

If you don’t want this to happens, don’t put schools like this on your schedule!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what this coach did. This coach got screwed.


33 posted on 01/27/2009 9:33:19 AM PST by Onerom99
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To: massgopguy

“In my daughter’s league, when the score became over 20 point margin, Pressing was shut of by the officials.”

Same in my son’s recreational league (the only level he could play), although they could still pick the dribbler up at half court, and I never, ever saw that result in the team that was ahead losing. They might have won by less. However, there’s no such rule in high school, and I don’t think there should be.


34 posted on 01/27/2009 9:34:11 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: gracesdad

LOL, Complete horsecrap.


35 posted on 01/27/2009 9:34:29 AM PST by Onerom99
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To: KarlInOhio
When did he pull his first stringers? I heard that it was when the score was 88-0, but I haven't seen anything definitive.

Yeah, that would be my question, as well.

Keeping the starters in after it got much past 40-0, or 50-0, would be rather unseemly.

I'd probably pull the starters [for good] at about 40-0, and tell the second-stringers to stop the full-court press no later than about 60-0 [and maybe a lot sooner than that].

36 posted on 01/27/2009 9:35:21 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: nysuperdoodle
It’s a symptom of a sick society that so many people want to criticize and penalize success.

I don't understand this sentiment. Since when is exhibiting good sportsmanship a symptom of a sick society? Frankly I dislike the way thuggish behavior has crept into sports today. The sack dances in football, the exaggerated celebrations of touchdowns, the taunting of opponents make sports more and more unpleasant to watch. There's the sickness. We need a return to the ethics of sportsmanship and need to stop celebrating the humiliation of opponents.

37 posted on 01/27/2009 9:35:51 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: nysuperdoodle
According to the winning coach:

The Game. The game started like any other high school basketball game across the nation. The teams warm-up, coaches talk, the ball is tipped, and then the play begins. We started the game off with a full-court press. After 3 minutes into play, we had already reached a 25-0 lead. Like any rational thinking coach would do, I immediately stopped the full-court press, dropped into a 2-3 zone defense, and started subbing in my 3 bench players. This strategy continued for the rest of the game and allowed the Dallas Academy players to get the ball up the court for a chance to score. The second half started with a score of 59-0. Seeing that we would win by too wide of a margin, running down the clock was the only logical course of action left. Contrary to the articles, there were only a total of four 3-point baskets made; three in the first quarter, and only one in the third quarter. I continued to sub in bench players, play zone defense, and run the clock for the rest of the game. We played fair and honorably within the rules and in the presence of the parents, coaches, and athletic directors for both Covenant School and Dallas Academy.

38 posted on 01/27/2009 9:36:15 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: jalisco555

Sportsmanship is doing your best and letting the cards fall where they may. Not coddling an inferior opponent. Wake up


39 posted on 01/27/2009 9:37:16 AM PST by nysuperdoodle
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

The second stringers aren’t allowed to gather game experience using their teams appropriate strategy?

This is nonsense. You don’t want this score to happen, fire the AD for putting a high school with 20 girls on your schedule.

The coach did absolutely nothing wrong.


40 posted on 01/27/2009 9:37:22 AM PST by Onerom99
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To: DBCJR

He needed to do one of a few things (or all)

Sit Back and not play so aggressively.. Play a zone not a press. Take time going down the court.

Play his second tier players

If he did all that and still won 100-0 I dont see a complaint... but he kicked the other team when they were down and refuses to see that running up the score is bad sportsmanship.


41 posted on 01/27/2009 9:38:21 AM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: Onerom99

“LOL, Complete horsecrap.”

Thanks for the intelligent answer. So the 100-0 win taught the other team “complete horsecrap?” I agree.


42 posted on 01/27/2009 9:38:21 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: gate2wire; gracesdad

100% innocent per this account.

Anyone ripping this coach should have their head examined.


43 posted on 01/27/2009 9:38:47 AM PST by Onerom99
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To: Doohickey

compare life and death and high school hoops?


44 posted on 01/27/2009 9:38:56 AM PST by wiggen
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To: gracesdad

seriously, having been on the other thread on this same situation, it is pretty apparent that you either GET THIS or you don’t. there is no explaining it to people who can’t understand the difference between class/sportsmanship and throwing a game.


45 posted on 01/27/2009 9:39:19 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: gate2wire

>>The winning team has only 8 players.<<

Yeah. It means that he not only used the bench but also wore out those that could not be substituted because he didn’t have enough players.

I think the main travesty of this game is either that it was ever scheduled, or that the other team was so poor for its position in the division, or whatever they call it.


46 posted on 01/27/2009 9:39:46 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: gracesdad

How about you get your facts in order chief before you begin running your mouth. It’s quite clear you are completely befuddled by the real truth about what happened out there.


47 posted on 01/27/2009 9:39:48 AM PST by Onerom99
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Nobody is saying ‘let them win’ just stop bashing in their skulls with 10 minutes left and you’re up by 70 points. Ditch the press, ditch the threes and send in the bench..

This was a Christian school which acted decidedly unchristian..


48 posted on 01/27/2009 9:39:50 AM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: gate2wire
After 3 minutes into play, we had already reached a 25-0 lead. Like any rational thinking coach would do, I immediately stopped the full-court press, dropped into a 2-3 zone defense, and started subbing in my 3 bench players.

There ya go. Not to mention the losing team has been all over TV for their historic "loss".

49 posted on 01/27/2009 9:40:25 AM PST by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: xsmommy

Yes,, and combined with muddling the facts about what the coach did and what strategy he employed, you clearly DON’T GET IT!


50 posted on 01/27/2009 9:40:26 AM PST by Onerom99
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