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Republicans Grow Spine After Being SHUT OUT Of $825 Billion Bailout
Start Thinking Right ^ | January 28, 2009 | Michael Eden

Posted on 01/28/2009 5:05:03 PM PST by Michael Eden

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To: buccaneer81

I hope you’re wrong about three of those names.

McCain has SAID he’d vote against it. And I hope if nothing else the man has the intelligence to look at what the House Republicans did and votes accordingly.

There are quite a lot of people who think if McCain had voted against the first socialist bailout and given the opposition a voice, he would be President today.


21 posted on 01/28/2009 5:50:24 PM PST by Michael Eden
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To: Michael Eden
There are quite a lot of people who think if McCain had voted against the first socialist bailout and given the opposition a voice, he would be President today.

It would have been a much closer election, for sure.

22 posted on 01/28/2009 5:54:52 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: MinuteGal
I just learned that the GOP abstention vote was cast by Ginny-Brown Waite of Florida.

Cripeys, her district is right next to mine on Florida's Nature Coast.

I don't understand it, she had announced her fervent opposition to this bill and her position is even on her congressional web site.

Wonder what happened? Anyone know in the Brooksville, Dade City areas?

Leni

23 posted on 01/28/2009 5:56:54 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: mc6809e

“Republicans should keep reminding everyone that Democrats are in complete control. “

That’s right. Let the Dems get the “credit” for this so-called “stimulus.”


24 posted on 01/28/2009 5:58:08 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Michael Eden

RATS are riding high and they’re due for a big drop.


25 posted on 01/28/2009 5:58:10 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: mc6809e
Republicans should keep reminding everyone that Democrats are in complete control.

More then enough voters thought the Repubs were in power since 06,
and voted more rats in, in 08. Damn I wish voters weren't so damn ignorant.

26 posted on 01/28/2009 6:21:09 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: Michael Eden
...as I’m concerned, if you’re homeschooling your kids and protecting them from government brainwashing facilities,...,

Seriously, today's homeschool discussion was on the book "Brave New World" and my 17 yr old and I were comparing the book to Obama's policies and the "stimulus bill". Very interesting...population control, letting the government raise our children, etc.

If any of you haven't pulled out these books in a few years, I suggest re-reading them as an adult. They take on a whole new meaning in these Obama times.

My suggested reading list...

Brave New World

Farenheit 451

Animal Farm

1984

I can almost guarantee you will see these books and our government in a whole new light! I enjoyed them more as an adult!

27 posted on 01/28/2009 6:42:59 PM PST by HomeschoolMomma (No thanks...I already have a Messiah!)
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To: MaxMax

“Damn I wish voters weren’t so damn ignorant.”

Each of us needs to write letters to editors to our home town newspapers. Many voters don’t use the internet, or listen to talk radio, but they DO read those letters to the editor.

In fact, my elderly aunt is one of them, and compliments me after reading one of my editor’s letters.


28 posted on 01/28/2009 6:44:58 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: buccaneer81
And possibly McCain.

Didnt McCain state just a couple of weeks ago that he should have voted against the TARP? Well - this is much worse so lets just hope his standards remain on an even keel.

29 posted on 01/28/2009 6:45:08 PM PST by capydick ("History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid".)
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To: Soul of the South

I voted for GWB twice and against BHO. GWB had 8 years and BHO has been in office a little over a week. The mess we are took years to develop and 8 of those years were under a Republican administration that called itself conservative while spending like there was no tomorrow. Whatever we want to believe about what will happen under BHO with a large Democrat majority, we were deep in disaster on inauguration day. As Truman said, “The buck stops here.” This crisis began on GWB’s watch I for one hold him largely responsible. Had he shown some spine the last two years and used his veto pen and the bully pulpit I would believe differently. Unfortunately, he showed no ability to fight after the Republicans lost the majority in Congress. You score no points if you don’t even try


I totally agree with your first paragraph, but do have to take some issues with the 2nd (above).

A couple of things:
The Community Reinvestment Act was used by Democrats in a race-baiting manner. An article in Wikipedia will help to show what its proponents claimed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
Essentially, to oppose the CRA was to oppose black people. it was virtually impossible for Republicans to really get against it given the black support. No matter how bad it was.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were the real source of the problems. It wasn’t “failure to regulate,” because Fannie and Freddie were ALREADY under Congressional control. But it had come to be run and staffed almost entirely by Democrats. Franklin Raines, the “first black” chairman, was kept by Bush (what would the media say if Bush canned the “first black chairman?” The problem with Democrat-brainchild Fannie and Freddie was that the profits were always private and the losses were always public. It was Fannie and Freddie that “guaranteed” the subprime mortgages that resulted in so many major financial institutions buying the bundled packages. Everyone thought these investments were safe because Fannie and Freddie had “guaranteed” them. And then the world blew up.

Bush TRIED to regulate Fannie and Freddie. Twice. And both times was stopped due to COMPLETE DEMOCRAT OPPOSITION.

Barney Frank: ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print

http://patterico.com/2008/09/21/republicans-sought-better-oversight-over-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae-democrats-opposed-it/

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/24/whitewashing-fannie-freddie/

Finally, Democrats - who were in complete control of Congress (and held complete regulatory authority over Fannie and Freddie) - were still saying everything was fine at Fannie and Freddie even just before it imploded. Here’s Barney Frank - who chaired the committee overseeing Fannie and Freddie - a couple of months before the bottom fell out.

I think this is a case where Fannie and Freddie are fundamentally sound, that they are not in danger of going under.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,432173,00.html

Sorry, but the only thing you can blame Republicans for was for not realizing that Democrats were vile cockroaches who were intent upon destroying the economy. And you can blame them for not going to total war to oppose Democratic agendas - where they would have been called racist and everything else - in the face of an issue that no one understood and the media would have spun.


30 posted on 01/28/2009 6:50:06 PM PST by Michael Eden
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To: mc6809e

Shutting the Republicans out of the Stimulus package makes sense. The Democratic parts of this country probably need a handout way more than Republican districts.


31 posted on 01/28/2009 6:51:16 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: HomeschoolMomma

I hope you also introduce your child to Neil Postman’s “Amusing Ourselves to Death.” He has an incredibly insightful take on the contrast between the future as predicted in 1984 and in Brave New World.

It helps explain why the media - and particularly television - are so warped.


32 posted on 01/28/2009 6:52:59 PM PST by Michael Eden
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To: Michael Eden

Re: Neil Postman’s “Amusing Ourselves to Death.”

Haven’t read it, sounds like a good read! Next on my list right after I finish “Do the Right Thing” by Mike Huckabee.


33 posted on 01/28/2009 6:58:44 PM PST by HomeschoolMomma (No thanks...I already have a Messiah!)
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Would had been nice if the “Elephants” had some backbone BEFORE the election (say, 2005 to 2008).


34 posted on 01/28/2009 7:20:31 PM PST by ak267
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To: Michael Eden
If every Republican in the Senate voted against this pork then Obama won't get his 60.
35 posted on 01/28/2009 7:23:29 PM PST by tobyhill (Obama gets no free pass from Free Republic!)
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To: Michael Eden

A tax revolt is the first step in the answer to this question.


36 posted on 01/28/2009 7:35:04 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: HomeschoolMomma

What Postman does is demonstrates how the nature of the media (i.e. the ‘technology’) influences not only the message but even the content and the material that is covered.

For instance, smoke signals convey very little information. They aren’t much of a medium for discussion of philosophy. The form excludes the content. But, says Postman, neither is television a good medium for philosophical discussion: people want to see colors; they want to see attractive people, etc. It turns out IT’S form excludes content, too. Postman argues that television has dramatically dumbed down communication compared to the printed word. Literate generations enjoyed lengthy debate; today’s age is quickly bored with it.

He shows how communication in imagery is dramatically different from communication in writing. And points out that the more “serious” television tries to be, the worse and more dangerous it becomes.

He also argues that - beginning with the advent of the telegraph - “news” has been totally changed. We are now exposed to events that people in the past would have neither known about or cared about.

You combine the distortions due to the above with naked bias, and you get something genuinely dangerous to civilization.


37 posted on 01/28/2009 7:54:31 PM PST by Michael Eden
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To: tobyhill

If every Republican in the Senate voted against this pork then Obama won’t get his 60.


The thing I most fear is that the Republicans will make a brief show of force, and then cave in to media pressure to get the best “deal” they can get - which will of course be awful.

They need to be united against Obama, and against Democrat socialist pork. They need to argue against it, campaign against it, predict it will fail, and then take advantage of the moment that it DOES fail.


38 posted on 01/28/2009 7:59:15 PM PST by Michael Eden
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To: HomeschoolMomma
You forgot "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand.

It's a must read these days.

L

39 posted on 01/28/2009 8:05:09 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Michael Eden

At least until the billions for ACORN are removed from the Obammy plan, the Senate pubbies had better filibuster this suicidal bill. Would someone please reach over and slap Mitch McConnell and tell him that republicans don’t like socialism and get really pissed when republican Senators vote for Marxist legislation?


40 posted on 01/28/2009 8:07:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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