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My Refusal to Comply!
January 29, 2009 | mark gordon

Posted on 01/29/2009 11:29:23 AM PST by mark gordon

MY REFUSAL TO COMPLY!

January 29, 2009

I received the American Community Survey about a month ago. This compulsory 28 page document published and administered by the U.S. Census Bureau clearly demonstrates the need to ask the question " Who is out-of-control in our government?". Perhaps, more importantly, "Who is in control, outside of our government?" I decided, almost immediately, not to comply. A little investigation confirmed my suspicion. Namely, there are countless others of you out there who share a common concern about this interrogative survey as well as the motives of our government. I say " our government" because I still keep close to my heart the memory of a government and an America I supported while serving in the Vietnam war. A time when the enemy was perceived as a threat against our great nation and not from within. I received a second ACS just last week with a letter that hinted vague threats. This appears to follow the pattern described by most of you who have already experienced the ordeal. My course of action is best described by the following conviction.

It is the duty of every U.S. Citizen to practice civil disobedience when the government exceeds its authority.

The U.S. Constitution in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 states; "The actual enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years." This gives the government authority to conduct a census every ten years by enumeration. Any demand placed upon a U.S. Citizen beyond that provision is unconstitutional. A paper history of the U.S. Census records throughout the life of our nation plainly exhibits the simple process of enumeration as the only method permitted to obtain a "head count" and only at an interval of ten years. The ACS far exceeds the intent of the U.S. Constitution for the purpose of congressional redistricting and allocation. The questions are extremely intrusive into our private lives and a blatant attempt to extract vital personal information that cannot be obtained by any other means. Also, it is my view that this campaign endorsed by our legislative body, in part or whole, is being used as a test ground to determine how far the American people will bend and stay pliable under the control of a central government. Summarizing my intent;

1) I will not comply with the demands of a government that has exceeded its authority. 2) I will not pay any fine. 3) I am, bold words but spoken true to my nature, willing to be imprisoned but not subjugated.

In doing so, I will practice civil disobedience for the first time in my life. Given the safeguards written into the U.S. Constitution by our founding fathers and the love of country they entrusted with us, I can do no other.

Mark Gordon markbgordon@yahoo.com

PostScript - I would be more than pleased to provide a PDF copy of the American Community Survey to anyone who is unfamiliar with its contents and intent.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: acs; bureau; census; censusbureau; civildisobedience
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1 posted on 01/29/2009 11:29:23 AM PST by mark gordon
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To: mark gordon

can you post the most invasive examples of the census?


2 posted on 01/29/2009 11:33:55 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: mark gordon
Here here. This country was born by rebellion to tyranny. Most Americans fly the stars and stripes. That's great, but I prefer our first flag:


3 posted on 01/29/2009 11:34:10 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: mark gordon

Welcome to FR!


4 posted on 01/29/2009 11:35:41 AM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: mark gordon

Interesting.

It occurs to me that if everyone that didn’t vote for Obama were to refuse to comply with the next US Census, it would rock their world.


5 posted on 01/29/2009 11:36:30 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: mark gordon

You will not be committing civil disobedience by not completing the ACS.

You are free to toss it in the trash.

And the Census Bureau is free to send you more letters.

And you can throw those away.


6 posted on 01/29/2009 11:36:52 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Amen, brother.


7 posted on 01/29/2009 11:37:25 AM PST by Longdriver
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To: mark gordon
My MIL received one of those, she had had two strokes and was unable to fill it out. My husband called the “help” number, and told them of the situation.

The “thing” on the other end of the phone practically threatened to send my MIL to jail if it wasn't sent back immediately - that she was to find someone to “do it for her” and, once again - send it in immediately. The person filling out the survey had to be identified as well.

The questions were truly intrusive and, I thought at the time, unconstitutional. Longer story short, “she” did fill it out, with unreadable answers..they got their survey alright...

Thanks for your disobedience. I'd encourage those who have not seen this survey to get the PDF - it is remarkable what the Government thinks it can get away with.

8 posted on 01/29/2009 11:38:22 AM PST by KittenClaws
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To: mark gordon; bamahead; Jack Black

BTTT

Welcome to Free Republic!


9 posted on 01/29/2009 11:38:24 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: mark gordon

If I get this questionaire, I will answer only the questions that I feel are not intrusive.

I will not answer any question on race, income, lifestyle or religion.


10 posted on 01/29/2009 11:39:30 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: mark gordon

Here’s the fee for throwing it in the trash according to the Census Bureau:

“The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000. The U.S. Census Bureau may use this information only for statistical purposes. We can assure you that your confidentiality is protected. Title 13 requires the Census Bureau to keep all information about you and all other respondents strictly confidential. Any Census Bureau employee who violates these provisions is subject to a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison sentence of up to five years, or both.

You may view Title 13 at the U. S. House of Representatives website at the following address: http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_13.shtml.";


11 posted on 01/29/2009 11:39:46 AM PST by Jenny217
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To: mark gordon

I got several last year. I threw them in the trash after a glance.


12 posted on 01/29/2009 11:40:06 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: mark gordon
Here is a blog post with a lot of comments about the ACS and the battles people have had with pain in the rear census workers: http://www.survivalarts.com/archives/001095.html
13 posted on 01/29/2009 11:42:07 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: mark gordon

A few years ago I sent mine back with lots of red ink to show my displeasure.

Sometime later a census contractor showed up at my house for follow up. I got irate and sent them on their way.

Weeks later another one (or same one) showed up and was told to get gone.

The third time I answered the door with a shotgun. I kid you not. They left and never returned.


14 posted on 01/29/2009 11:43:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: mark gordon

Claim the Timothy Geithner Exception.


15 posted on 01/29/2009 11:44:17 AM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: Nervous Tick

>>>It occurs to me that if everyone that didn’t vote for Obama were to refuse to comply with the next US Census, it would rock their world.

But it would also significantly reduce one’s representation in Congress.


16 posted on 01/29/2009 11:45:56 AM PST by NC28203
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To: mark gordon

wait until you get the agricultural census. lol, and live in an apartment. Our government is non sensible.


17 posted on 01/29/2009 11:46:35 AM PST by GeronL (Had the flu. Not well yet.)
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To: mark gordon

Mark, Mark...

Do what I did. I put almost completely false information after being threatened for the 3rd time that I hadn’t returned it.

I also filled it in almost illegibly. If they could read it, more power to them.


18 posted on 01/29/2009 11:47:22 AM PST by x1stcav (11/05/2008: the day the Resistance began.)
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To: mark gordon
This gives the government authority to conduct a census every ten years by enumeration. Any demand placed upon a U.S. Citizen beyond that provision is unconstitutional.

The US Census is not the same as the ACS.

That said, some of the questions are intrusive, most are not. The ACS is used in large part to determine where/how to spend money.

For instance, if ACS answers show that people in Omaha are commuting an average of 25 miles to work now instead of 10 miles several years ago, the Govt may look into spending more money on the highway system in/around Omaha.

19 posted on 01/29/2009 11:47:46 AM PST by gdani
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To: Eagle Eye

I refused to answer mine during the last census. An agent showed up at my door and I refused to answer any questions. She went to my neighbors and I stood outside on their sidewalk and asked them to not answer any questions about me.


20 posted on 01/29/2009 11:48:48 AM PST by notaliberal (Obama: The Abortion President)
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To: mark gordon

All the ones who refuse to answer (and I wouldn’t either), probably contribute to the “skewed results” that the Census is getting from only those immigrants and low-income people and illegals answering it — instead.

So, they are getting their answers — which actually show, instead, that you and me don’t exist in this society... :-)


21 posted on 01/29/2009 11:49:15 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: NC28203

>> But it would also significantly reduce one’s representation in Congress.

You have a point. Let me rephrase that:

If everyone that didn’t vote for Obama were to list themselves as some imaginary race — say, “Blaque” — it would rock their world.


22 posted on 01/29/2009 11:50:08 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

I will not answer any question on race, income, lifestyle or religion

That’s about all that’s left after “Name”.


23 posted on 01/29/2009 11:50:41 AM PST by KittenClaws
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To: x1stcav

Mark, Mark...

Do what I did. I put almost completely false information after being threatened for the 3rd time that I hadn’t returned it.

I also filled it in almost illegibly. If they could read it, more power to them.

___________________________________________________

If I get one.....I’ll give it to my 6-yr-old with a giant, brown crayon. :D


24 posted on 01/29/2009 11:54:10 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Uuuuuuuum, uh, uh...............aaannnnnnd....................................................um.)
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To: NC28203

>>It occurs to me that if everyone that didn’t vote for Obama were to refuse to comply with the next US Census, it would rock their world.

>>But it would also significantly reduce one’s representation in Congress.

Oh, like we are represented now?


25 posted on 01/29/2009 11:57:41 AM PST by GoldMan (Never try to rationalize an irrational mind............)
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To: KittenClaws

Unreadable answers, huh? I like that idea. I’ll pretend I’m one of those idiot voters in Minnesota who screwed up their ballots by voting more than once, crossing out names of the candidate, and drawing arrows.


26 posted on 01/29/2009 12:02:00 PM PST by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: Eagle Eye

A few years back a census worker showed up over my refusal to fill in the long form. I explained that I regarded the info as being none of their business, good day. As I let go of the door to allow it to close, she made a move to grab the door to continue the conversation. She then caught the look in my eye, and probably realized that I would treat any such attempt as a home invasion and would respond accordingly.


27 posted on 01/29/2009 12:04:03 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest09.pdf

Some sample questions.

LAST MONTH, what was the cost of electricity for this house,
apartment, or mobile home?

About how much do you think this house and lot, apartment, or mobile home (and lot, if owned) would sell for if it were for sale?

What is the monthly condominium fee? For renters, answer only if you pay the condominium fee in addition to
your rent; otherwise, mark the”None” box

Does the regular monthly mortgage payment include payments for fire, hazard, or flood insurance on THIS property

How many minutes did it usually take this person to get from home to work LAST WEEK

How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X)the box of the one used for most of the distance.

What time did this person usually leave hometo go to work LAST WEEK?
Hour Minute a.m. p.m

ACTIVITY. Describe clearly this person’s chief job activity or business last week. If this person had more than one job, describe the one at which this person worked the most hours. If this person had no job or business last week, give
information for his/her last job or business.


28 posted on 01/29/2009 12:06:23 PM PST by KittenClaws
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To: NC28203
But it would also significantly reduce one’s representation in Congress.

In a state like Maryland infested by 'rat legislators, the fewer, the better. Maybe since 40% of us are never represented anyway, we ought to "disappear" from the census and reduce the 'rats by a seat or two or more.
29 posted on 01/29/2009 12:07:04 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: mark gordon
I would like to know if the census results are what is used to determine how many house seats a state gets?
30 posted on 01/29/2009 12:07:30 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

“She” used a pencil, barely pressed upon the page...her poor hands were so shakey...

Tell me, what significance is there to the TIME someone leaves for work?


31 posted on 01/29/2009 12:07:58 PM PST by KittenClaws
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To: KittenClaws
Tell me, what significance is there to the TIME someone leaves for work?

Federal highway spending.

32 posted on 01/29/2009 12:11:56 PM PST by gdani
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To: gdani

Yeah, right.


33 posted on 01/29/2009 12:13:10 PM PST by KittenClaws
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To: Retired Greyhound
Most Americans fly the stars and stripes. That's great, but I prefer our first flag.

I fly this one at home and on the web! It's on my profile page and is used as the symbol to 'ping' the CWII list.

Not a bad pic either, if I do say so myself.

34 posted on 01/29/2009 12:13:45 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: KittenClaws
Yeah, right.

It's really not that hard to understand. Do you need it explained?

35 posted on 01/29/2009 12:14:47 PM PST by gdani
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To: gdani

Have you read the entire survey?

The questions are redundant and useless as far as highway spending is concerned. Do they know the Route Taken? No. So, do you need government intrusiveness explained to you?


36 posted on 01/29/2009 12:17:16 PM PST by KittenClaws
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To: mark gordon

I received one of these surveys a few years ago, and refused to fill it out, despite the threatening manner in which the cover letter was written. I held onto it for a while, and because I refused to respond to their artificial deadline, they sent me a letter, offering to send someone ‘round to help with the survey if necessary. And then a second letter arrived, and if memory serves me, a third. All such correspondence went unread.

Then they tried to call me a few times and left the names and numbers of people who were willing to help me with the survey. Once they either left a message (or perhaps it was in one of the letters, I’ve forgotten) they informed me that they could pay a visit to either myself or even my neighbors. No such visit occurred.

So I’d say that you can safely ignore it.

As an aside, my survey included a number of questions about how many people in the household are disabled, and with which types of disabilities, how far I drive to work, whether I have home-health assistance, etc. It was utterly ridiculous. I was perfectly willing to answer some generic questions about how many people live in my household, but what they sent was unbelievably intrusive.


37 posted on 01/29/2009 12:19:37 PM PST by djrakowski
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
If I get one.....I’ll give it to my 6-yr-old with a giant, brown crayon. :D

You really like answering non-stop questions, dontcha?    =;^)

38 posted on 01/29/2009 12:22:47 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All the oil's in Texas...but all the dipsticks are in Washington, DC.)
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To: mark gordon

Op doesn’t like talking to us ;)


39 posted on 01/29/2009 12:23:15 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: mark gordon

My ten year old daughter told them off the third time they came all on her own. One of my proudest moments as a father. She’s 19 now and still hell on statists!


40 posted on 01/29/2009 12:23:37 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: KittenClaws
Have you read the entire survey?

I've taken it more than once including the "sub-surveys", for lack of a better term. Currently, I'm a representative household for the health care-specific survey. If you think the general ACS questions are intrusive wait until you see the health care one.

So, do you need government intrusiveness explained to you?

Not at all. I think it is intrusive. But I do think some of it serves a legitimate government purpose. I'd be happy to take these surveys - anonymously.

41 posted on 01/29/2009 12:23:51 PM PST by gdani
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To: KittenClaws

Very intrusive. And given the fact that the survey demands name of each person in the home and asks specific questions of each one, I would probably throw Roe v. Wade and its “penumbra” which created the liberals’ vaunted right to privacy back in their faces and refuse to answer any information which is personally identifiable.

I index past census records into computer-readable programs and I have seen the creep of U.S. census information. Early census records were simply head counts by sex and whether minority or majority age, maybe acreage owned, then children’s ages were added, then citizenship, immigration year, whether a resident could read or write, race, marital status, relationship of residents to each other, whether the family owned or rented, birthplace, birthplace of parents of each resident. But nothing compares to the sample 2003 questionnaire. Truthfully, I’d have to spend a fair amount of time researching to even answer a lot of those questions.


42 posted on 01/29/2009 12:24:20 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: KittenClaws
All of those questions could be answered with my stock dodge;
"There is insufficient data at this time to form a coherent response."
43 posted on 01/29/2009 12:24:24 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All the oil's in Texas...but all the dipsticks are in Washington, DC.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Yes, it is. It's the specific and only stated purpose for the "enumeration" mandated by Article 1, Section 2. The number of residents in your household is the only information you're constitutionally required to give to the government. You don't owe them anything else, not gender of residents, race, religion, number of pets, number of flush toilets, NOTHING ELSE.

I will be a "non-complier" in 2010 (and in 2009 if I get the ACS). My wife, who has the right to make up her own mind about compliance relating to her, will be instructed that she's not authorized to disclose any information on anything I own separately or jointly, or on any personal attributes of mine. She can tell them she can't respond on my responsibility.

I'm willing to go to jail for this. By the time they come to collect a fine, my money will be out of the bank, hidden in a safe place. If they want to put a productive, tax-paying citizen in jail for noncompliance with unconstitutional laws, just let them. That's less money they can use to redistribute to the lazy and unproductive.

The census has been used too long to divide us into groups and set us against one another. The data gained therefrom is the basis for computer modeling by which our politicians gerrymander us into safe Republican and Democrat districts, thus undermining our election process and causing much of the putrid stink that's rampant in our politics. The data is also what allows our politicians to decide whose vote to buy, and how much of our money to use to do it with and where.

Sorry. I refuse to willingly participate in the undermining of this nation that this data enables the slimeballs to get away with.

44 posted on 01/29/2009 12:26:09 PM PST by Emile ("If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything" -- Unknown)
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To: Emile
I'm willing to go to jail for this. By the time they come to collect a fine, my money will be out of the bank, hidden in a safe place. If they want to put a productive, tax-paying citizen in jail for noncompliance with unconstitutional laws, just let them.

I doubt they will do anything of the sort.

I've filled out the questions I wanted, left blank the ones I didn't like, and never heard anything again.

They don't appear to care/notice as, over the years, I've been designated a represenative household for a couple other issues. Same thing. Fill out what you want, leave the rest blank.

45 posted on 01/29/2009 12:29:56 PM PST by gdani
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46 posted on 01/29/2009 12:30:18 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I don’t....but my child loves to ‘doodle’. LOL!


47 posted on 01/29/2009 12:32:14 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Uuuuuuuum, uh, uh...............aaannnnnnd....................................................um.)
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To: KittenClaws
Do they know the Route Taken? No. So, do you need government intrusiveness explained to you?


48 posted on 01/29/2009 12:32:56 PM PST by library user (Rod Blagojevich should have been TIME MAGAZINE'S "Person of the Year.")
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To: KittenClaws
Tell me, what significance is there to the TIME someone leaves for work?

Really...it's not as if the FedGov doesn't steal from us right under our noses on a consistent basis ; )

49 posted on 01/29/2009 12:36:18 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I'll just quote our new Secretary of State when she was under oath.

"I don't recall."

50 posted on 01/29/2009 12:37:15 PM PST by BubbaBasher (This space available for a bailout.)
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