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Just How Low Have Democrats Sunk – Is Killing Seniors Now Not Beyond Limits? (Breaking on Fox
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Posted on 02/10/2009 6:27:34 AM PST by jessduntno

Obama’s team of despots has turned a Stimulus Bill into a Kill the Elderly bill

And instead of using those views to gain acceptance to a mental institution of his choice, Tom Daschle wants them enacted as policy. We already know who was receptive to his views; some man who promised hope and change and who did not tell us that those involved killing seniors and the very ill.

Obama’s team of despots has turned a Stimulus Bill into a Kill the Elderly bill. And the Democrats in the Senate, including Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Joe Lieberman, Arlen Specter and the two nitwits from Maine are too stupid or too reckless to put up a fuss. We, as citizens of the United States of America, can’t be. Our nation was founded on better morals than this.

The Democrats have declared war on the elderly. And they will suffer the shame of history as a result.

These are not compassionate people. These are not good people. These are despicable and outrageous beasts and the time has come to finally call them what they are.

Here America, here are the “leaders” you just elected. Cry and pray, but also take action. This nation was built on better stuff than that.

It’s a sad day when even columnists who’ve engaged “liberals” (henceforth to be called fascists) in dialogue and discussion, end up having to sound like Michael Savage, who, quite frankly, seems to be right about the uproar he’s been raising for years. But it would be an even sadder day if no one spoke up in outrage against this brutality.

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1 posted on 02/10/2009 6:27:34 AM PST by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno

Rush talked about this on his show yesterday.


2 posted on 02/10/2009 6:28:29 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: jessduntno

It’s like witnessing a train wreck in slow motion.


3 posted on 02/10/2009 6:29:42 AM PST by two23
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To: jessduntno

Indoctrinate the young and eliminate the old through denial of medical care.


4 posted on 02/10/2009 6:29:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: jessduntno

I know of a few elderly people.

Ted Kennedy.
Nancy Pelosi.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg...........


5 posted on 02/10/2009 6:30:38 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Political correctness is a form of censorship!)
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To: jessduntno

Email this to Specter - He is **old**, isn’t he??


6 posted on 02/10/2009 6:30:47 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: jessduntno

Is this the answer for Social Security? Can’t collect it for long if you’re too dead to cash the checks...then the money can be channeled to the “poor”...


7 posted on 02/10/2009 6:31:05 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: cripplecreek

If I weren’t expecting such brutality from the folks who’s fought for partial birth abortion, my lower jaw would be on the floor...


8 posted on 02/10/2009 6:31:28 AM PST by elk ((A Member of the Silent 58)TM)
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To: cripplecreek

Any word from AARP?


9 posted on 02/10/2009 6:31:31 AM PST by WellyP
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To: xcamel

Xheck the White House link. Not a word about it. “Transparency”


10 posted on 02/10/2009 6:31:55 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: xcamel

“Email this to Specter - He is **old**, isn’t he??”

It gets worse. Daschle goes on to say that those who have received what he terms “hopeless diagnoses” should just accept it. According to the man whose antics in the Senate earned him the distinction of being the only party leader to be voted out of that body since 1950, Americans should “forego experimental treatment” and adopt a more European attitude of acceptance.


11 posted on 02/10/2009 6:32:20 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: WellyP

AARP is in the pocket for Barack Obama. Kind of ironic, isn’t it?


12 posted on 02/10/2009 6:32:53 AM PST by benjibrowder (Looking forward to kicking Obama out of office in 2012.)
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To: jessduntno

Rush and Laura Ingraham were all over this one yesterday...
Rush was giving out the page numbers...


13 posted on 02/10/2009 6:33:37 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: benjibrowder

American Association of Rejected People now...


14 posted on 02/10/2009 6:34:23 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: massgopguy

Julie Ann O’Brien, executive director of the Maine Republican Party, said she already has received plenty of e-mails from people across the country, the majority scolding the two Senators for their support of the bill.
“People know what they’re getting when they vote for them,” she said. “They lean conservative on most issues — that’s why they’re Republicans. But they really do, I feel, do what is right — not politically right but morally right.”


15 posted on 02/10/2009 6:34:55 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: benjibrowder

We can hope that this wakes up the Q-tips! (FYI, I am a very awake Q-tip!)


16 posted on 02/10/2009 6:34:57 AM PST by WellyP
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To: jessduntno

Listening on FOX now- this is unbelievable.


17 posted on 02/10/2009 6:37:16 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: All

I’ve said it all along: Barak Hussein Obama is evil. Not just selfish, stupid, arrogant, etc., rather, the man is EVIL. When he stood on the floor of assembly and argued against a bill that would give basic, life-giving care to children that survive abortions, he exposed himself.


18 posted on 02/10/2009 6:38:31 AM PST by Maverick68 (w)
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To: SE Mom

The Final Solution.


19 posted on 02/10/2009 6:38:34 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: jessduntno

What exactly is in the stimulus package that is intended to end the life of senior citizens? I’m not doubting there’s something that raises concern, but please specify the text so we know what you are ranting about.

Thanks.


20 posted on 02/10/2009 6:39:10 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: jessduntno
We don't need to actually kill seniors. We just need to encourage them all to take up smoking so that they'll pay tobacco taxes and die sooner. This way, they'll help save Social Security as well!
21 posted on 02/10/2009 6:39:31 AM PST by Drew68
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To: SE Mom

Please elaborate for those in cube land.


22 posted on 02/10/2009 6:39:46 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: STARWISE; Miss Didi; penelopesire; Bahbah

This is an example of what we are in for...they snuck this in late Saturday- no one will own up to adding it - but we are informed this is one of Tom Daschle’s pet ideas.


23 posted on 02/10/2009 6:40:34 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jessduntno

I think Teddy Kennedy should just accept his brain tumor as part of getting old and give it up. Preferably before this vote goes down.


24 posted on 02/10/2009 6:40:36 AM PST by ponygirl (Obama: All beans, no weiner.)
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To: two23
It’s like witnessing a train wreck in slow motion.

It more resembles the Bullet Train with Casey Jones at the throttle.

25 posted on 02/10/2009 6:41:10 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: jessduntno

thanks for posting...


26 posted on 02/10/2009 6:43:19 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: abb

Investment tip: Zyklon B


27 posted on 02/10/2009 6:43:21 AM PST by depressed in 06 (I'm becoming nostalgic for the incompetence of Carter.)
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To: Hatteras

Bloomberg news has an article on this,,starts with monitoring health info and determining cost effective treatments as allowable. Discouraging experimentaltreatments. Would affect cancer treatment which is now sort of a stable disease for some with longer survival. That might be disallowed. This has great ramifications for older people as well as anyone with chronic disease.


28 posted on 02/10/2009 6:44:14 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Eagle Eye

I’m still learning what the language is- but the idea is that if the GOVERNMENT decides that it costs too much for a hip replacement (for example) the patient will be denied. This decision will not be made by the doctor or even insurance company...but by the GOVERNMENT...it will help “to guide your doctor’s decisions...”


29 posted on 02/10/2009 6:44:35 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Eagle Eye
RUSH: ...So Daschle says we need to become more like Europe. People need to accept catastrophic diagnosis and forget it. If you're told it's over, it's over. We can't keep spending money on people who want experimental treatments! We just can't do this. Now, "Daschle says health-care reform 'will not be pain free.' Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt." You read that right.

Daschle says senior citizens "should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age," instead of trying to have them treated. "Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost-effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464). The Federal Council is modeled after a UK board discussed in Daschle's book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis." For example: "In 2006, a UK health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye.

"It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision. If the Obama administration's economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the US will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later." Let me translate this for you. You are a seasoned citizen. You come down with a disease that is not immediately life-threatening. You go into your doctor. The doctor consults the federal database to get your health care records. He then has to consult this new health council board. They then figure the cost of treating whatever's wrong with you, based on the statistics that tell 'em how long you're going to live -- and if the cost vastly outweighs the number of years you're going to live, they will deny you treatment.

That's what Daschle says: you just need to become accepting. Seniors need to become accepting of their condition. Basically, you need to just go away and die. We don't have the money. I'll tell you the architect for this. I mean, she credits Daschle, but who was that governor in Colorado? It was Richard Lamm of Colorado: Old people have "a duty to die." Get out of the way because they're putting too much pressure on the health care system. Younger people, they'll get the treatment because it will be more cost effective. The statistics say they'll live longer. Now, the reason that I'm harping on this... We got the call from the nurse. I wanted to tell her what was in this bill to reflect... This is in the stimulus bill. This is national health care, essentially. It is in the "stimulus bill," and they snuck it in. (cont.)

The March to Socialized Medicine Starts in Obama's Porkulus Bill
30 posted on 02/10/2009 6:45:26 AM PST by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: rfreedom4u
I know of a few elderly people...

They aren't people. They're different, special.

31 posted on 02/10/2009 6:45:49 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: SE Mom

Specter on Foxnews now trying to provide cover. He is such a demented old fool! Says a ‘revision’ may be in order!


32 posted on 02/10/2009 6:45:51 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: jessduntno
Is this the answer for Social Security? Can’t collect it for long if you’re too dead to cash the checks...then the money can be channeled to the “poor”...

OMG! I just don't know what to say. This guy needs to go

33 posted on 02/10/2009 6:46:20 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Hatteras

“What exactly is in the stimulus package that is intended to end the life of senior citizens?”

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user is not defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time.”

Daschle says health care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors, he says, should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. And you thought the government wouldn’t ration your health care.


34 posted on 02/10/2009 6:46:24 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: penelopesire

This is the most frightening administration in our history- and it’s not even 4 weeks old.

Has ANYONE read this damn thing?


35 posted on 02/10/2009 6:46:56 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Hatteras
If you go to Limbaugh's site and click the part about socialized health care, I believe he states the page numbers there. The translation is basically that your health care will be tracked through a federal computer system. If you get sick, your doctor will have to discuss your diagnosis with the Feds to determine which "level" of treatment you will receive. This will be weighted by your past medical problems and your age. Basically, what this means is they will determine how aggressive your treatment should be based on estimated success of treatment, cost to the government, and how many tax-paying years you have left in you. The money quote from Daschle is (paraphrased), "Seniors are just going to have to accept that some problems come with age instead of trying to treat every little problem."

Bottom line is that on this proposed program, Ted Kennedy right now would be wheeled out in his chair and placed next to the dumpster for the next trash pickup.

36 posted on 02/10/2009 6:49:01 AM PST by ponygirl (Obama: All beans, no weiner.)
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To: jessduntno

I have been trying to get hold of Spector’s office, the line has been busy since Friday. What a pos!


37 posted on 02/10/2009 6:49:07 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (WELCOME TO THE OBAMANATION!!!!! Markets and Marxists Don't Mix!)
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To: Eagle Eye

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user is not defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time.”

Daschle says health care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors, he says, should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. And you thought the government wouldn’t ration your health care.


38 posted on 02/10/2009 6:49:25 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: SE Mom

Megan Kelly doing a good job of nailing Specter to the wall. Specter is a addled brain idiot! STILL SAYS HE MADE A COMMITMENT AND WILL STILL VOTE FOR THE BILL!

UNBELIEVABLE!!


39 posted on 02/10/2009 6:49:27 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Specter is truly incompetent...listening to him now and he’s simply not getting the severity of the situation.

I’ve been calling my two Senator’s offices since 9- lines are all busy.


40 posted on 02/10/2009 6:50:36 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ponygirl

“Ted Kennedy right now would be wheeled out in his chair and placed next to the dumpster for the next trash pickup.”

So would Arlen Specter! He has already had cancer treatments and is old. He would be put in a hospice to die!


41 posted on 02/10/2009 6:51:22 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: SE Mom
he’s simply not getting the severity of the situation.

Of course not, he has government health care to pay for his cancer treatments and prolong his life.

42 posted on 02/10/2009 6:52:03 AM PST by jersey117
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To: jessduntno

“A little revolution once in a while is a good thing....”


43 posted on 02/10/2009 6:52:03 AM PST by devane617 (Republican's first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: Hatteras

Was I ranting? Probably. I know my hair is on fire...

SSeniors, he says, should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. And you thought the government wouldn’t ration your health care.

Ready to go, because Tiny Tom’s policies say you are? He’s gone, but his policies aren’t...


44 posted on 02/10/2009 6:52:11 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: rfreedom4u

The system will be two-tiered, just as it is everywhere it’s implemented.

Those with the “aristocracy of pull” will be in the upper tier and not subject to the restrictions that those in the lower tier will be.


45 posted on 02/10/2009 6:53:23 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: SE Mom

I hate to say this, but I fear Specter has what they call..’Chemo Brain’. My mom went through chemo treatments last year and she has never been the same. I have talked to other people who say the same thing about their senior family members who have undergone chemo.


46 posted on 02/10/2009 6:53:33 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: cripplecreek

Like Logan’s Run. Kill them off and bring on the new.


47 posted on 02/10/2009 6:54:09 AM PST by lone star annie
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To: devane617
“A little revolution once in a while is a good thing....”

I was watching a young, long haired guy business professional on the Fox Business Channel last night. He sure gets it - he was fuming about the "stimulus" package. He's ready to lead a huge march on Washington in April. I was cheering him on.

48 posted on 02/10/2009 6:54:26 AM PST by jersey117
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To: ponygirl; Hatteras
One of the scarier things I saw (on Rush's transcript) was:

there's a new bureaucracy created, the national coordinator of health information technology -- now, listen to this -- the national coordinator of health information technology will monitor treatments that your doctor gives you to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective.
49 posted on 02/10/2009 6:54:53 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: jessduntno

Well, something is “breaking.” Unfortunately, the rant you posted here contains no details — none at all.


50 posted on 02/10/2009 6:55:16 AM PST by r9etb
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