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Just How Low Have Democrats Sunk – Is Killing Seniors Now Not Beyond Limits? (Breaking on Fox
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Posted on 02/10/2009 6:27:34 AM PST by jessduntno

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To: WellyP
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user is not defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time.”

I don't think it's going to be like what is offerred in Chile, because this piece is basically saying that you won't be able to have other coverage, without facing significant penalties.

101 posted on 02/10/2009 7:56:53 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: jessduntno

Aw heck, I’m not even thirty yet. Guess I don’t have to worry about this for a few years...

Kidding! Kidding!!!


102 posted on 02/10/2009 7:56:57 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Embrace what is wrong.)
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To: jessduntno
Limiting treatment by age (the older you are the less care you get) isn't, strictly speaking, Kill the Elderly.

That's how it will be parsed anyway.

Speaking of parsing didja see Arlen Specter today?

He kept saying he wouldn't vote for a bill that gave the government control over what medical care he could get.

Never once said anything about limiting the care we could get...

103 posted on 02/10/2009 8:14:14 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 22 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: jessduntno

Well, the old have a large carbon footprint and are stupid, according to Rev. Al Gore.


104 posted on 02/10/2009 8:17:13 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: null and void
Statistically, what are the odds that 3 of her first 6 children are disabled?

I made my comments - pressed "post" and found the thread was locked. So here's my reply anyhow...

Disability is the new welfare - without pesky social workers. It's sad because the cheats are taking away the resources and care from people who are really disabled.

I knew a person once who told me all 12 "kids" (ages from late twenties to early fifties) in the family were on disability and received a social security check every month. That means some members of that family could receive social security for over 60 years. To add insult to injury, this person was told by one of the brothers to "use mental" because it's hard to disprove.

I can assure you, most of these babies this woman had will be receiving social security checks for longer than you or I will be alive - or until they bankrupt the system. At which point they'll get jobs - and the truly disabled - and seniors to old to work - will die.

105 posted on 02/10/2009 8:18:59 AM PST by GOPJ (What's caused 19 deaths, makes travel difficult, and won't melt til April? Global Warming.FR:Dentist)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Why would they direct you to the ‘state’..when this is a federal bill affecting all states? AARP probably helped write this homicidal part of the bill because their healthcare program is ‘losing’ money on ‘old people’.

I am going to call them in a minute. Been kinda busy this morning. Will report back.


106 posted on 02/10/2009 8:21:27 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: mmichaels1970
there's a new bureaucracy created, the national coordinator of health information technology -- now, listen to this -- the national coordinator of health information technology will monitor treatments that your doctor gives you to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective.

Big brother.

Orwellian.

Fascist.

107 posted on 02/10/2009 8:21:29 AM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: jessduntno
Safe houses for Seniors coming up?
108 posted on 02/10/2009 8:23:15 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama..................Repent Herod!................./Tom McClintock 2012!/)
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To: LongElegantLegs

I appreciate your saying you are kidding, but I hate to break it to everyone who is posting on this blog that nowhere in this bill about the health boards does it say it is only for senior health. IT IS FOR ANY TREATMENT AT ANY AGE! If you are a thirty year old woman and you develop a non-chemo sensitive tumor and have the genes that predispose you to breast cancer your life expectancy with treatment is only about 30% over 5 years. YOU WOULDN’T QUALIFY FOR TREATMENT BECAUSE OF THE COST VS LIFE EXPECTANCY RATIO THE BOARD WILL USE. Do not ignore the potential for the government to reach into our health care decisions for ourselves and...our...children.THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT SENIORS


109 posted on 02/10/2009 8:23:56 AM PST by Til I am the last man standing
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To: ponygirl

” Bottom line is that on this proposed program, Ted Kennedy right now would be wheeled out in his chair and placed next to the dumpster for the next trash pickup. “

Can we carve out an exception that this only applies to him???


110 posted on 02/10/2009 8:24:03 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: WellyP

Where are they indeed? This is outrageous and the leftist organizations just toe the line as usual. We need to speak up.

Also email the twits from Maine and Specter.


111 posted on 02/10/2009 8:24:43 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (Republicans Fight Back: New GOP Elects Mike Tyson's Brother-in-Law its Chair)
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To: penelopesire

It seems to me that a few years back, there was some division among the AARP members. It was something to do with where their membership fees were going, and to what issues they were concentrating on, candidates to support, etc.. I wish I could remember what the issue was. I do remember reading that a number of new people who were retiring were more activist (and very liberal!). There was a number of them who were more conservative.


112 posted on 02/10/2009 8:24:53 AM PST by dsutah
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To: maggief

“This man is not operating on all cylinders”

Don’t forget that this is the guy that came up with the “single bullet theory” in the Kennedy assasination.

He’s been non functioning for years.........


113 posted on 02/10/2009 8:26:25 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: jessduntno

Have there been any Soylent Green references yet?


114 posted on 02/10/2009 8:27:53 AM PST by stentorian conservative
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To: GOPJ

Thanks.


115 posted on 02/10/2009 8:28:11 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 22 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: MrB

In the old Soviet Union they used to call that the Nomenklatura. If you had the right “name”—i.e., the right party connections—you got treatment. Otherwise...


116 posted on 02/10/2009 8:30:27 AM PST by Gwaihir
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To: jessduntno

Also discussed on this thread last week:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2178025/posts


117 posted on 02/10/2009 8:30:58 AM PST by Moiraine
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To: rfreedom4u
They will deny the elderly the treatment they deserve and allow illegal aliens to continue to rape our health care industry. We better wake up right now or it will be too late. My blood is already boiling.
118 posted on 02/10/2009 8:33:41 AM PST by peeps36 ( Al Gore. Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: penelopesire

The guy that answered the phone was just learning about the bills content. He sent me to the state advocates office. He said that I was the second call he’d gotten about rationed care for seniors. The state advocates phone was busy and I got voicemail.


119 posted on 02/10/2009 8:34:04 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: r9etb

Please read the full column (link). It provides scary details of the plan and Daschle’s book (Daschle was still influential in advising on this issue).


120 posted on 02/10/2009 8:34:49 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (Republicans Fight Back: New GOP Elects Mike Tyson's Brother-in-Law its Chair)
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To: jessduntno

121 posted on 02/10/2009 8:36:11 AM PST by DogBarkTree (Sometimes you have to let it go in order to get a Grip.)
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To: ncpatriot

no way will the rich be allowed to pay for treatment. In the Hillarycare, the standard was one standard for all and there were penalities to docs to treated people outside the system. LIke Canada. In Britain you can get private pay but here, it would be disallowed except of course for the ruling grandees.


122 posted on 02/10/2009 8:41:10 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Til I am the last man standing

Right.

I have cancer, ovarian, with a 5 yr life expectancy of around 30 Percent. With salvage chemo, people can get four or five chemos with each relalpse, I can get a few more years and these are pretty good ones from what people tell me.

I think that without that option, I am a goner. Now who has the right to tell me to “accept” this at this point?

I have paid insurance premiums since age 18, never went to a doc till six months ago, never sick, only retired at 67 because of the cancer and will work again.

Who should tell me it is not cost effective for me to be alive to see my grandchildren, help my children, comfort my husband and see another beautiful day.

This is evil, for young and old.


123 posted on 02/10/2009 8:47:51 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

plus for young people. I suspect that premies won’t be treated if below a certain weight. And children with CP or retardation or autism won’t be treated for life threatening illnesses. And pregnancies past two probably won’t be covered.

This is so anti everything we are as a people. It is astounding. ANd crept under the radar,,I knew about the council idea to bypass debate on a public health insurance. I did not know this was in this bill.

My treatment has been the object of a study Hopkins did for the govt. It is not cost effective in the short run, but is in the long run {better survival at greater expense}. When I saw that study my heart sunk. Johbns Hopkins is helping the gov determine “cost effctive”

The short run is what the gov wants,,they don’t care if I get three years or one year or five years. They just want to cut out the costs for a person who is retired. They simply are inhuman.


124 posted on 02/10/2009 8:52:58 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
You are being sarcastic aren't you, cajungirl? ie tht the wealthy will not be allowed to pay for treatment outside "the program"

They will find a way to get treatment.

125 posted on 02/10/2009 8:57:06 AM PST by ncpatriot
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To: null and void
He kept saying he wouldn't vote for a bill that gave the government control over what medical care he could get. Never once said anything about limiting the care we could get...

... And he said it as he continues to ingratiate himself to the current "U.S. Politburo" leadership.

126 posted on 02/10/2009 9:00:41 AM PST by glennaro
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To: ncpatriot

Why is that sarcastic? It happens in Canada. It was a part of Hillarycare.

These are dems,,they breathe on making life hard for the “rich”.

The rich will leave the country for care. The middle class won’t be able to.

The grandees will have their own thing somewhere.


127 posted on 02/10/2009 9:07:15 AM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: jessduntno

This is your Momand your Dad they want to kill, also your sick child.


128 posted on 02/10/2009 9:17:18 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: jessduntno

bump


129 posted on 02/10/2009 9:21:14 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: ncpatriot

Doesn’t matter if you have money to pay for doctors, there will be no doctors, just like in Canada. This kind of medicine drives them away. Not only that, but doctors in Canada are overwhelmingly non-white immigrants, yep just who you want making a decision whether you live or die.


130 posted on 02/10/2009 9:27:25 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

“This is your Momand your Dad they want to kill, also your sick child.”

Added to the unborn, we can get some serious killing of innocents done here...


131 posted on 02/10/2009 9:32:21 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: Moiraine

Yes, but “lower overall spending by determining which medicines, treatments and procedures are most effective-and identifying those that do not justify their high price tags.”

Is a VERY long way from “lower overall spending by determining which medicines, treatments and procedures are most effective-and identifying those that do not justify their high price tags.”


132 posted on 02/10/2009 9:38:09 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: jessduntno

Sorry, should have been;

Yes, but “lower overall spending by determining which medicines, treatments and procedures are most effective-and identifying those that do not justify their high price tags.”

Is a VERY long way from “Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.”


133 posted on 02/10/2009 9:41:30 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: Moiraine

“Also discussed on this thread last week:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2178025/posts

Sorry, should have been;

Yes, but “lower overall spending by determining which medicines, treatments and procedures are most effective-and identifying those that do not justify their high price tags.”

Is a VERY long way from “Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.”

The new “rules” have been introduced late Sat nite...


134 posted on 02/10/2009 9:43:25 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: stentorian conservative

“Have there been any Soylent Green references yet?”

Yep...there have been a couple of servings...


135 posted on 02/10/2009 9:45:57 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: Maverick68

I don’t think The Marxist Onada has a any clue what’s in the so-called stimulus bill until he hears about it in the media. He’s simply the pretty black face the left sends out there to sell us this pile of socialist doo doo.


136 posted on 02/10/2009 9:48:49 AM PST by dools007
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To: stentorian conservative
Have there been any Soylent Green references yet?

Glenn Beck made one or two today--"Soylent Green is people."

137 posted on 02/10/2009 9:49:39 AM PST by madison10
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To: jessduntno

There is no hope. That evil SOB POS knew what his plans were and he has fast tracked it in 3 weeks. I hope those 2 Maine twins and Specter rot in hell.


138 posted on 02/10/2009 9:58:56 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: mojitojoe

“There is no hope. That evil SOB POS knew what his plans were and he has fast tracked it in 3 weeks. I hope those 2 Maine twins and Specter rot in hell.”

Sooner, rather than later...
Disclaimer; this is not to be construed as an incitement to violence, simply my own deep wishful thinking...


139 posted on 02/10/2009 10:02:08 AM PST by jessduntno (The bailout is "Obama's trillion-dollar debacle.")
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To: penelopesire

Specter on Foxnews now trying to provide cover. He is such a demented old fool! Says a ‘revision’ may be in order!

A change in order???? I am so damn mad today if I saw Spector face to face I would punch him right in the face. Damn TRAITOR. Everyone I know is ready to blow.


140 posted on 02/10/2009 10:03:26 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: penelopesire

STILL SAYS HE MADE A COMMITMENT AND WILL STILL VOTE FOR THE BILL!

We should protest in front of his house for 30 days, non stop.


141 posted on 02/10/2009 10:04:33 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: devane617

A little revolution once in a while is a good thing....”

I think it’s coming. I’m seeing it all over the internet.


142 posted on 02/10/2009 10:05:23 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: penelopesire

Thanks:)


143 posted on 02/10/2009 10:05:47 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: mojitojoe

I wish I lived nearby..I’d do it in a NY second.


144 posted on 02/10/2009 10:06:09 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Well we’ll see about that. This is the straw that broke the camels back. Kill the unborn babies and kill the old people too. What do they consider elderly? 50? 60? Every day of life is precious. Every day you have with your family is precious. These people are evil. It’s time to stop this NOW.


145 posted on 02/10/2009 10:08:34 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: jesseam

Thomas Jefferson once said “when people fear the government that is tyranny, when the government fears the people that is liberty”. Beautiful words.

We are all here outraged and fearing them. Time to change that.


146 posted on 02/10/2009 10:11:13 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: devane617

“A little revolution once in a while is a good thing....”

I hear the run on guns and ammo is continuing. Maybe our masters will sit up and take notice.


147 posted on 02/10/2009 10:11:41 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: peeps36

Blood boiling is an understatement. I am fing mad right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No words to describe it.


148 posted on 02/10/2009 10:14:14 AM PST by mojitojoe (If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat)
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To: jessduntno

AARP will always support them


149 posted on 02/10/2009 10:25:41 AM PST by GeronL (please stand by...)
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To: Man50D

maybe somewhere in this monstrosity they included a bill to reward children who turn in their parents for thoughtcrimes?


150 posted on 02/10/2009 10:26:57 AM PST by GeronL (please stand by...)
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