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Making Sense of Larry Sinclair
http://www.observingtheworld-gianni.blogspot.com ^ | 2-18-2009 | Gianni

Posted on 02/19/2009 4:00:13 PM PST by JohnnyTu

Larry Sinclair is the man who made allegations about encounters with Barack Obama in Chicago back in November, 1999, involving homosexual sex and drug use. The sex part could have been far more sensational than what Sinclair reported actually happened, namely, Sinclair giving oral sex to Obama, first in the back of a limousine, and the next day in his hotel room. Obama also presumably smoked crack cocaine--he provided his own pipe--while Sinclair snorted lines of powder cocaine. Sinclair gave Obama the money, and Obama made the drug buy.

In the more than a year since this story broke, there has been little if any variation from the basic themes alleged by Sinclair from the beginning. However, there was a strange angle thrown in along the way, namely, that Donald Young, the former choir director at Trinity United Church of Christ--Obama's church--had contacted Sinclair several times telling him of his own sexual involvement with Obama. Young was murdered in his apartment in Chicago close to Christmas, 2007, shortly after Sinclair's last communication with Young. Sinclair submitted a sworn statement to the Chicago police regarding his contacts with Young, and there was an expectation that a major investigation would be launched by the police into the murder of Donald Young. But more than a year later, the case has not been solved, and it does not appear that the Chicago police are actively pursuing the case.

Ask yourself this. How in the world could Sinclair have picked a seemingly random violent murder, by someone who happened to have been in Obama's church and who is alleged to have contacted Sinclair before being murdered, a case which has not yet been solved and which appears to have been abandoned by the Chicago police? In other words, wouldn't you think if Sinclair were simply making this up to try to hurt Obama, that this case would have proceeded as normal and someone would have summarily been identified as the shooter? This would then have shown Sinclair to be a fool and a liar, suggesting as he was that the evidence would lead back to someone else, namely, to Obama or others at TUCC (Reverend Wright specifically). How does this stuff keep falling in Sinclair's lap? How do these peculiar circumstances end up connecting with Sinclair?

I have gone around and around with people on the issue of the Sinclair allegations. You have one group of people, easily the largest of the groups, who are convinced Sinclair is either a liar or simply whacked out, and that it is simply beyond belief that a "family man" like Barack Obama could have ever been on the down low, in essence, a closeted bisexual. The thinking of this group goes, if it comes down to believing Barack Obama or a guy with a criminal past, you believe Barack Obama. Actually, there is no real option for "believing" Barack Obama, because he has never responded to the allegations, has never said anything on the record about Sinclair. Obama has said nothing about Sinclair, so it is left to defenders of Obama to deny Sinclair's allegations for him.

There are two other groups, much smaller in size than the first group. One group sees the Larry Sinclair story as mildly amusing but probably not true. They don't put it past someone like Obama, that he would have a secret sexual life. Lots of politicians and public officials have been shown over time to have been involved in stuff that they either originally denied, or tried desperately to avoid going on the record about (Barney Frank, President Clinton, John Edwards, Eliot Spitzer, Larry Craig, and so forth). But this group either doesn't care if Obama did in fact do this, or doesn't know what to think about Sinclair, given his past history of trouble with the law. They do not necessarily reject him as a liar or a psycho case, but they aren't inclined to believe him either.

Finally, there is a small group of true believers. Or, let me get more nuanced. There is a core group of believers who think that Larry Sinclair is telling the truth about everything, including the Obama affair AND the Donald Young murder angle. There are others who fully believe that Sinclair is telling the truth about his encounter with Obama, but are still somewhat suspicious about the Young incident, coming as it did after the fact. In other words, as some people allege, it would have been easy for Sinclair to jump on the Donald Young story, after he found out about it, and implicate himself in it through this elaborate story about his phone and text message contacts with him. But Sinclair asked the Chicago police to subpoena the records of his cell phone during the time in question, and they did get this information. But what did they find? Why has this information never been released? As far as I know, no one including Larry Sinclair has been given information concerning what they did or did not find.

One other challenge to the Sinclair allegations concerning November 1999 has been raised, and it is worth considering for a moment. One thing that many people say in defense of Obama never speaking publicly on the Larry Sinclair allegations, is that public figures are inundated with false allegations by myriad whack jobs, and there is no sense in responding to any of it, because it will only invite more of the same. But this argument is flawed. In actuality, it is extremely difficult, and hence rare, for a private individual to come forward, identify themselves, and claim something happened between him or her and a famous person. If you are making up something about a public figure out of the blue, your sham will not likely last past two weeks or so. The glare of the public spotlight is withering, and eventually enough evidence will surface to show definitively that the person was not physically present at the time of the incident, or other similar holes in the story will emerge. Notice, for example, that contrary to the assertion of multiple crank stories made about Obama by genuine people who can be identified, the reality is that, so far as I know, there has been ONE allegation made about a secret life of Obama that he is otherwise attempting to keep under wraps, and that is the allegations made by Larry Sinclair.

Now, this is where the challenge I previously mentioned gets interesting. Okay, so let's agree that there is only the one loony charge made by Sinclair. Well, guess what? If in fact Obama were engaging in this loose sort of on-the-prowl down low closeted bisexual lifestyle, there would be many more people coming out of the woodwork to make similar claims to that of Sinclair, especially since Obama has made it all the way to the presidency. Why is Sinclair the only one? This flies in the face of credulity.

Not so fast. Notice a very real possibility here. What we know of the down low culture is that, typically, men engaged in this subculture are careful to pick out friends and acquaintances who have a lot to lose if either one spills the beans about what they are up to. Many on the down low have legitimate families, lives, and careers, and they seek out each other in confidence to play whatever sexual games they play to get off. It is very likely that if Obama was on the down low, it was with a relatively small handful of trusted confidants, and they would never rat him out. NEVER. But what if along the way, Obama faced a moment of weakness? What if he stepped outside of his close circle, just one time? Well, ladies and gentleman, if indeed he stepped out of his circle just that one time, it was with Larry Sinclair. And because he did this just one time, and enjoyed Sinclair's services enough that he went back the next day to get serviced again, well, isn't it possible that after his head cleared a bit--he may have been strung out on drugs, who knows?--he got "scared straight" and realized he made a monumental mistake? I mean, come on. Isn't it possible that Obama did something stupid, stepped outside of his inner circle, and hooked up with this random individual? Just this one time?

I think the evidence could be interpreted along the lines that, this is indeed what happened. But so far, the mainstream media has done a brilliant job not covering the Sinclair allegations, thereby leaving it to the blogosphere and Obama supporters who are engaged with the story to paint Sinclair as a dangerous, deranged madman. The so-called "failed" polygraph is a convenient fall back position, but anyone who knows about lie detectors knows also about their unreliability, in that they produce too many false positives (finding deception where none exists). This is why the findings of polygraph tests are typically not admissible in a court of law.

Sinclair is publishing a book on March 1 about this amazing story. It is titled "Barack Obama and Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex, Lies, and Murder?" I will review the book on this blog when I get my copy. Watch for more whitewashing to occur. There will be a ferocious and concerted effort to keep the book out of the major book dealers' hands, including Amazon and Barnes and Noble, thus mirroring what has been going on in the mainstream media. There will also be a simultaneous release of the book in Japanese, so interestingly enough, it may be the foreign press that gives it publicity before the American press.

For the record. I do not not know 100% that Sinclair is telling the truth. I don't think anyone can know this because of the lack of any legitimate investigations into the allegations. But I am leaning in the direction that he is probably being truthful, although I still have my doubts about the Donald Young angle. I am looking forward to more filling in the details by Sinclair in his book. The description of Obama's genitals should be particularly interesting. (He mailed a certified letter to Michelle Obama containing the description, and the package was received at the White House. No word yet on what the First Lady thinks about this, or whether she informed President Obama.)

All in due time, I suppose.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: downlow; obama; sinclair

1 posted on 02/19/2009 4:00:13 PM PST by JohnnyTu
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To: JohnnyTu

that is so gay.


2 posted on 02/19/2009 4:03:16 PM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: JohnnyTu

Can’t wait for the televised statement of, “I did not have sex with that man.”


3 posted on 02/19/2009 4:06:33 PM PST by bgill
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To: JohnnyTu

Is there a stain?


4 posted on 02/19/2009 4:07:55 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: JohnnyTu
wHAT GIVES SINCLAIR CREDABILITY?

VP Biden had his son, who happens to be the AG of Delaware, arrest Mr. Sinclair immediately after his Press Conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.

Biden Jr., offered life in prison or a plea bargain. .....but

2 days after Biden was picked up as VP by obambi, Mr. Sinclair's charges were dropped.

Check out Sinclair's website at http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/

and buy his BOOK available at a bookstore near you.

5 posted on 02/19/2009 4:11:23 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: pissant

Good overview of the Sinclair allegations.


6 posted on 02/19/2009 4:13:22 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: pissant

ping


7 posted on 02/19/2009 4:14:43 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: JohnnyTu

Presidential Genitentials, eh? cackle cackle.

Nothing to add to the topic, but I did hear from a lesbian friend that Michelle’s best galpal is definitely a dyke, wears nothing but men’s suits and shoes. Friend opines that Michelle is one of them.

Could explain her lack of fashion sense.


8 posted on 02/19/2009 4:14:52 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: JohnnyTu

Zerocide?


9 posted on 02/19/2009 4:15:30 PM PST by 50mm (My respect for zero has reached zero)
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To: dynachrome; TomasUSMC

Go Larry Go


10 posted on 02/19/2009 4:15:50 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: JohnnyTu
Sinclair giving oral sex to Obama, first in the back of a limousine, and the next day in his hotel room. Obama also presumably smoked crack cocaine


11 posted on 02/19/2009 4:16:44 PM PST by Drew68
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To: JohnnyTu

B.O. on the down-low. Disgusting.


12 posted on 02/19/2009 4:21:13 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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To: JohnnyTu
The description of Obama's genitals should be particularly interesting. (He mailed a certified letter to Michelle Obama containing the description, and the package was received at the White House. No word yet on what the First Lady thinks about this, or whether she informed President Obama.)

Given that the Obamessiah is apparently a long-time gym rat, I would think there are other ways another guy might have caught a glimpse of the presidential jewels (insert barfing emoticon here). Because of this, even if Sinclair or anyone else could get someone to verify that Sinclair's description was accurate, I don't think it would prove Sinclair's story.

13 posted on 02/19/2009 4:26:40 PM PST by lonevoice (Ich bin ein plumber)
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To: JohnnyTu

“...and Obama made the drug buy...”

isn’t that illegal. Like, as in crime?


14 posted on 02/19/2009 4:27:45 PM PST by quintr
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To: bgill

Can’t wait for the televised statement of, “I did not have sex with that man.”
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More like, “I did not have sex with that man, Larry Sinclair, or that man Donald Young, or that man Barney Frank or that man ah I mean woman Michelle


15 posted on 02/19/2009 4:28:04 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: quintr

Somebody murdered Donald Young, thats a crime too, but well we are talking obambi’s homeytown.


16 posted on 02/19/2009 4:30:43 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC

The Delaware/Biden connection is what made more of a believer out of me. Had they not had him arrested, I would have blown him off as a nutball.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 5:14:44 PM PST by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: JohnnyTu
February 12, 2009

BY DAVE MCKINNEY Springfield Bureau Chief

SPRINGFIELD -- Refusing to go quietly, former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich spat a new round of venom today at the same lawmakers who drove him out from office, accusing them of having affairs and drinking too much while being "holier than thou."

"This is how the system in Springfield works, where a bunch of these lawmakers go down to Springfield," Blagojevich said. "Nobody even knows who they are. They're away from their families. It's a whole different world down there. A bunch of them are cheating on their spouses.

"A lot of them drink in excess. Very few of them know what's going on. They just take their marching orders from legislative leaders, and then the legislative leaders have to do things for them to keep them happy,"Blagojevich told WLS-AM's "Don Wade and Roma Show."

In one instance, Blagojevich said, he was approached by a legislative leader for help in diffusing a marital crisis that faced a rank-and-file lawmaker. The ex-governor did not name either official.

That leader "came to us because one of his members was sleeping with his secretary. And then the wife found out and she wanted that secretary fired. But this guy was in love with his secretary so he goes to the legislative leader. They come to us. They want us to hire this woman so that we can keep that guy happy and then, you know, hope they might work with us on some issues," Blagojevich said.

"I don't want to be too judgmental. But these same guys get up and they get holier than thou on their soapboxes, and there they are doing that sort of thing, promoting that kind of thing," he said

"And, yeah, people are human, and they make mistakes. But cheating on your wife and sleeping with your secretary, that's the wrong thing to do," Blagojevich said.

18 posted on 02/19/2009 5:19:45 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Veto!

She looks like a man. I wouldn’t doubt this. They are a strange couple and in full acting mode. They just don’t look that close or affectionate to me. Not like George and Laura or Nancy and Ron. He has those long feminine hands that look so gross to me.


19 posted on 02/19/2009 5:28:02 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: JohnnyTu
I'm not that engrossed in this Sinclair/Obama story but it wouldn't surprise me if one day these allegations proved true.
I've always thought Obama looked gay. Probably why many lib females, and males, adore him.
20 posted on 02/19/2009 5:30:44 PM PST by jla (Sarah! sarahpac.com)
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To: conservative cat

on top of the fact that Sinclair hired a former Delaware attorney general to represent him, and that guy, bailed on him the night before the court date..... and he said he was bailing because of what Sinclair had said about Biden.

and lets not forget his SSI being cancelled the day after he was arrested.


21 posted on 02/19/2009 5:38:30 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: JohnnyTu

Theres a lot we dont know about the one


22 posted on 02/19/2009 7:00:31 PM PST by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: dynachrome
I read an article that claimed Obama was part of a bisexual group in Chicago. I'm also pretty sure that his mentor Frank Marshal Davis is known to have had sex with men and young boys. What are the chances he didn't take advantage of a young Obama who was eager to please his mentor?
23 posted on 02/19/2009 7:21:36 PM PST by peeps36 ( Al Gore. Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: JohnnyTu

johnny tu...Another troll who dropped his load then ran away from the stink.


24 posted on 02/19/2009 7:25:55 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: lonevoice

OTOH - yes, you could see a guy in the shower at the gym but he’d look very different in an excited state. Apparently Obama looked very different in the back of a limo.


25 posted on 02/19/2009 7:30:22 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: JohnnyTu
When this story first came out I thought Sinclair was a loon. However, I have always thought O used to be gay or at the very least bisexual. No ex girlfriends, EVER, always pictures with feminine looking guys.
I thought it was far more likely that his guy *friend* was Michael Signator, the very mysterious Michael Signator.
When the Donald Young thing came to light, I gave it a serious look because from his pictures it seemed like he was someone that O would go for. I watched Sinclair talking for about 30 minutes on You Tube. He didn't seem like a nut and his story about the Donald Young part sounded incredibly believable. He also said O was a white man, wanting to be a black man, and that he had some *short* comings below the belt.

After reading and watching everything I could find on this, I lean towards believing it's true. Sadly Young was offed and we will never know his story. But there are those phone numbers and I wish Sinclair would turn them over to an ace PI. The police are NEVER going to release what they found out, yet they never refuted it. That speaks volumes IMO.

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26 posted on 02/19/2009 7:55:26 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: JohnnyTu

Larry Sinclair = con artist


27 posted on 03/25/2009 4:43:33 PM PDT by Homer1
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