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Hollister v. Soetoro (aka Obama) Update to Order to Show Cause
Obama Crimes.us ^ | Feb. 26, 2009 | Philip J. Berg, Esq.

Posted on 02/26/2009 6:49:41 PM PST by SvenMagnussen

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA GREGORY S. HOLLISTER, Plaintiff,

vs.

BARRY SOETORO, et al., : Defendants.

PLAINTIFF’S RESPONSE TO ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Plaintiff, Gregory S. Hollister, through his counsel, John D. Hemenway, Esquire and Philip J. Berg, Esquire, hereby Respond to Honorable James Robertson’s Order to Show Cause issued February 25, 2009 as follows

1. Pursuant to this Honorable Court’s Order of February 11, 2009, Plaintiff through his undersigned counsel complied with this Honorable Court’s Order and timely filed a Response in Opposition to the Defendants Motion to dismiss on February 13, 2009 which appears on the Pacer Court Docket as item number thirteen (13). A true and correct copy is attached hereto as EXHIBIT “A”.

2. Plaintiff’s Response in Opposition to the Defendants Motion to Dismiss consisted of thirty eight (38) pages in total, which included a proposed Order, one (1) page; Plaintiff’s Brief in Opposition to Defendants Motion to Dismiss, two (2) pages; fifteen (15) pages; Exhibits, fifteen (15) pages; Affidavit of Service, one (1) page; and Declaration of Lisa Liberi, five (5) pages.

3. In this Honorable Court’s Order to Show Cause his Honor states he received “many blank pages, decorated only by what appear to be botanical drawings and the illegible photocopy of an Hawaiian certificate of live birth.…The blank pages were either somebody's idea of a joke (in which case I don't get it) or a mistake.” Counsel for Plaintiff would never file blank pages or attempt to play any type of a joke on this Honorable Court as Counsel for Plaintiff have too much respect for the Judicial system.

(Excerpt) Read more at obamacrimes.us ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: berg; hollister; obama; soetoro
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The Court has Discharged Order to Show Cause.
1 posted on 02/26/2009 6:49:41 PM PST by SvenMagnussen
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To: SvenMagnussen
....his Honor states he received “many blank pages, decorated only by what appear to be botanical drawings and the illegible photocopy of an Hawaiian certificate of live birth.…

Y'all know I am a skeptic on a lot of this but jeeze, Bambi's lawyers are playing games.. from filing motions referring judges to a website to see a document to this, they are either stupid, cocky, or trying to get cases thrown out..

2 posted on 02/26/2009 6:53:28 PM PST by mnehring
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To: SvenMagnussen

If they weren’t blank, what was on the 15 pages for which no description is offered?


3 posted on 02/26/2009 6:55:21 PM PST by PAR35
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To: SvenMagnussen
The Court has Discharged Order to Show Cause.

Please tell me what this means. Does it mean that are saying the case against BHO cannot go forward?

Thanks

:)
4 posted on 02/26/2009 6:56:56 PM PST by KarenMarie
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To: SvenMagnussen

If any of these court cases come to fruition, it would be better if Obama’s approval rating had dipped a little more. Then, an adverse court finding could turn the tide of public opinion quickly against him.


5 posted on 02/26/2009 6:57:15 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: SvenMagnussen

When I applied to be a cop, they not only wanted to see the original certified birth certificate, but also all of my diplomas and accompanying transcripts. And that was just to be a cop; I would think that POTUS would be held to a much higher degreee of scrutiny.


6 posted on 02/26/2009 6:58:02 PM PST by NV Lawdog (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Frankly, I think this is silly.


7 posted on 02/26/2009 7:03:09 PM PST by popdonnelly (Olbermann and Matthews remind one of zoo monkeys throwing excrement)
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To: popdonnelly

A lot of people think this is silly.

Personally I dont see anything silly about upholding the Constitution.


8 posted on 02/26/2009 7:05:43 PM PST by Venturer
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To: popdonnelly
....."Frankly, I think this is silly.".....

Me too. All he has to do is show a valid BC and he could have saved a million dollars in legal fees. I can't figure why he doesn't just shut us up and show the BC.

Oh, I misunderstood, you thought WE were silly. Silly me thought you might think Obama was silly.

9 posted on 02/26/2009 7:07:00 PM PST by chuckles
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To: SvenMagnussen

Are there images anywhere of what Bambi’s lawyers faxed the judge?


10 posted on 02/26/2009 7:15:19 PM PST by mnehring
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To: the_Watchman

“Obama’s approval rating had dipped a little more”

I thought it was worse than Jimmy Carter in 30 days...ALREADY!


11 posted on 02/26/2009 7:18:39 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: mnehrling

I read this to mean that the plaintiffs had filed the blank pages with drawings. I thought that the BO people had only filed a motion to dismiss. Then the plaintiffs had been asked by the court to show cause. They submitted the documents. Not sure but that is what I got out of all this lawyerspeak.


12 posted on 02/26/2009 7:20:26 PM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic

either way, someone is playing games..


13 posted on 02/26/2009 7:21:31 PM PST by mnehring
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To: RebelTXRose

Yes, it is lower than Jimmy Carter’s in a comparable time period, but Carter’s was rather high for some reason.


14 posted on 02/26/2009 7:22:37 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: NV Lawdog

Well, for me it was just marrying and staying married to an
Army officer. I had to produce a legal birth certificate when we were married, followed by a succession of full security clearances re overseas assignments or advanced military schools. They even wanted my mother’s birth certificate and naturalization papers (she was British). Neither she nor I objected.
What the deal with Obozo?


15 posted on 02/26/2009 7:26:03 PM PST by ArmyTeach (You have a Republic, Madam, if you can keep it...)
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To: Venturer

>Personally I dont see anything silly about upholding the Constitution.<

I fear that, even if it is determined that Obama is ineligible to be POTUS, there will not be enough Congressmen with the courage to demand his removal. Watch the democrats go berserk while the republicans grab their ankles.

Oh well, I just have to lock myself up and continue praying for a miracle.


16 posted on 02/26/2009 7:33:42 PM PST by 353FMG (Trust in Glock.)
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To: mnehrling
Bambi's lawyers are playing games.. from filing motions referring judges to a website to see a document to this,

Was it so out of the question for Obama just to show his Certification of Live Birth [ COLB] to the court, but instead his lawyers chose to show the judge a hyper text link to it. Does Obama and his lawyers have any confidence to show a 10 buck piece of paper to the court? What are they afraid of?

17 posted on 02/26/2009 7:34:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It just seemed really odd, I’ve never heard of asking a judge to go to some website (unless it is a case about a website.)


18 posted on 02/26/2009 7:34:59 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ArmyTeach
What the deal with Obozo?

He is Kenyan! And a Natural Born and bred Commie.

19 posted on 02/26/2009 7:36:32 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Yeah, I knew that and agree with you 100%. It just stretches credulity ...


20 posted on 02/26/2009 8:02:19 PM PST by ArmyTeach ("Significant problems we face can not be solved by the same level of thinking that created them")
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To: chuckles

great points but your just wasting your time replying to a damn gutless liberal. these limp dicks who get on us when we talk about the BC issue are beyond our contempt. yeah silly us huh?


21 posted on 02/26/2009 8:58:43 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: mnehrling
Here is the Motion to Dismiss.

There aren't any images. Plantiff's lawyer says go to factcheck.org.

22 posted on 02/26/2009 10:23:00 PM PST by smokingfrog ( Dear Mr. Obama - Please make it rain candy! P.S. I like jelly beans.)
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To: SvenMagnussen; FreeManN; Frantzie; freekitty; myson; azishot; MHGinTN; BP2; ~Kim4VRWC's~; ...

Ping.


23 posted on 02/27/2009 1:34:15 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: smokingfrog; LucyT; Polarik; Beckwith

from your link:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/9-1.pdf

MOTION TO DISMISS

President Obama has publicly produced a certified copy of a birth certificate showing that he was born on
August 4, 1961, in Honolulu Hawaii. See, e.g., Factcheck.org, “Born in the U.S.A.: The truth about Obama’s
birth certificate,” available at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html (concluding that
the birth certificate is genuine, and noting a contemporaneous birth announcement published in a Honolulu
newspaper). Hawaii officials have publicly verified that they have President Obama’s “original birth certificate
on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” See “Certified,” Honolulu Star Bulletin, Oct. 31,
2008. This Court can take judicial notice of these public news reports. See The Washington Post v. Robinson,
935 F.2d 282, 291 (D.C. Cir. 1991); Agee v. Muskie, 629 F.2d 80, 81 n.1, 90 (D.C. Cir. 1980).


24 posted on 02/27/2009 2:30:01 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: smokingfrog

Obama's Agents At FactCheck.org

  I was recently engaged in an exchange of emails with my buddy Fred Nerks from Oz that prompted me to revisit FactCheck.org, where the Annenberg-funded website has published a web page entitled, "The truth about Obama's birth certificate."

The information on this page is 100% bovine excrement.

FactCheck.org's Summary

1.  "In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate..."

This statement is false -- the campaign released a "Certification of Live Birth."  The document presented on this website is not now and never has been a birth certificate, and FactCheck.org knows it.  So why did they publish this lie?

2.  "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate."

This statement is also a lie -- the only people that have seen, touched, and examined Obama's birth certificate is Chiyome Leinaala Fuikino M.D., the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, and the Registrar of Vital Statistics.

Fuikino wrote, "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate.  State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record."

So your conclusion, "We conclude that..." is false, because your conclusions are based on a false premise -- that you have seen Obama's birth certificate -- you haven't, because the State of Hawaii won't release it.  What do you think is going on in the 48 lawsuits against Obama.  These suits are all trying to get to Obama's birth certificate and 48 times, judges have said, "I can't go for that, ohh, no, I can't go for that."

3.  "Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."

Complete fabrication and bold-faced lie -- what Fuikino wrote was, "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Nowhere in that statement does it say Obama was born in Honolulu, and here is the complete statement:  -- check it out yourself.

And, nowhere does FactCheck.org identify the militantly partisan website that released the "Certification of Live Birth" -- The Daily Kos -- one of the wackiest websites extant.  This FACT alone makes this entire scenario suspicious, if not patently ridiculous.

FactCheck.org's Analysis

1.  FactCheck.org's own analysis confirms what I wrote above, under Summary.

2.  FactCheck.org presents a photo of a "Certification of Live Birth," captioned, "The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller."

That's a lie, as well -- the document in this photo is a "Certification of Live Birth" (getting tiresome, isn't it) -- not a birth certificate.  They are different documents, and the folks at this  mendacious organization know the difference -- Joseph Goebbels would be proud of FactCheck.org's big lie.

FactCheck.org presents a photo image of the document further down the page, under Analysis -- That document is not a "birth certificate."  It is a "Certification of Live Birth," again, FactCheck.org knowingly misrepresents the document as something it is not, and it's not even the document that was released. 

Here is the document that was released to The Daily Kos.  The original document released had its Certificate Number blacked out -- and if one looks at the document, it says at the bottom, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE" -- even if the document were genuine -- it isn't VALID.

3.  FactCheck.org published several other images defending its false presentation on this page.

4.  In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.

A birth announcement could have been easily phoned in to the newspaper from anywhere in the world.  This "fact" is inconclusive, unless you know who provided the newspaper with the announcement, the means they used, and where they were physically located at the time.

FactCheck.org's Anal-ists

FactCheck.org identifies their anal-ists as Jess Henig and Joe Miller.  OK, that's fine, but who and what are Jess Henig and Joe Miller?  Are they qualified to make an analysis of ANY document, or are they just a couple of guys hanging around FactCheck.org's office, or are they political operators?  What are their bona fides?  FactCheck.org doesn't say.  Wonder why?

FactCheck does say their, "representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago."  In my mind, that clearly shows they were working with and for the Obama Campaign and that Obama and his people are involved in this lie.

Lie?  Hell, this is a conspiracy and FactCheck.org boldly admits their part in it.

I prefer to give credence to Dr. Ron Polarik, who holds a Ph.D. in Instructional Media and specializes in computer graphics with over 20 years experience with computers, printers and typewriters, who provides conclusive and irrefutable evidence that the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) image created and distributed by Obama's campaign to the Daily Kos, Annenberg's Factcheck, and the St. Petersburg Times, and Politifact, is, unquestionably, a false identification document.  Here, is his final report.

A second expert forensic document examiner Ms. Sandra Ramsey Lines has filed an affidavit  associated with one of the lawsuits, stating the following:

1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an address at...  I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer.  I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991.  I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials.  My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.

2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from "Ron Polarik."  After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the "Daily Kos," the Obama Campaign, "Factcheck.org" and others cannot be relied upon as genuine.

My Comments

Since the title of the FactCheck.org web page is, "The truth about Obama's birth certificate," everything on the page is a bold-faced lie, because FactCheck.org has never, ever seen Obama's birth certificate and every image and reference is to a Certification of Live Birth.

Hawaii is notorious for its issuance of COLB's.  Click here to see a large copy of a beautifully printed Certificate of Hawaiian Birth (If you click it, it will get bigger or smaller).  It belongs to Sun Yat-Sen, the Father of Modern China, who was born in China. 

This Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, dated March 14, 1904, was issued after Dr. Sun signed a raggedy type-written statement affirming that he was born in Hawaii on Nov. 24, 1870.  Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms.

We know Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's sister has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth too, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia.

None of this is surprising, since this website is funded by the same fine people who fund Obama's buddy, the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. They represent themselves as unbiased and non-partisan. That, of course, is just another lie.

This "birth certificate" controversy is not nearly as important as the fact that Obama is not a "natural born citizen."

"To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed..."

George Orwell, "Nineteen Eighty-Four"

25 posted on 02/27/2009 3:07:40 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: mnehrling; Sioux-san; Red Steel; rxsid; hoosiermama; STARWISE; BP2; Polarik; holden

“Bambi’s lawyers are playing games.. from filing motions referring judges to a website to see a document to this, they are either stupid, cocky, or trying to get cases thrown out..”

It is all of the above, bob the bo’s dumb lawyer is “stupid, cocky,” AND “trying to get cases thrown out..”


26 posted on 02/27/2009 4:30:03 AM PST by FreeManN (www.ObamaCrimes.info)
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To: Beckwith

“We know Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s sister has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth too, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia.”

Source or proof for this claim please.


27 posted on 02/27/2009 4:52:06 AM PST by ga medic
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To: Beckwith

Very good summary and compilation.


28 posted on 02/27/2009 5:28:57 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Fred Nerks; smokingfrog; LucyT; Polarik; Beckwith

Plz note, the site cited is actually “Annenberg Fact Check.”

Is this the same Annenberg that has financed “Bomber Bill” Ayers” (and his closest friend Barack Obama’s ) radical campaigns for the last 20 years?


29 posted on 02/27/2009 5:37:10 AM PST by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: KarenMarie

The Court has Discharged Order to Show Cause. =

Case can go forward.

Back to “normal”


30 posted on 02/27/2009 5:38:11 AM PST by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: MindBender26
Is this the same Annenberg that has financed “Bomber Bill” Ayers” (and his closest friend Barack Obama’s ) radical campaigns for the last 20 years?

Yes, it is...and funded by George Soros

31 posted on 02/27/2009 5:47:59 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for the ping....at the very, very least this should silence those who consistently say that Pres. Crisis has not had to spend a dime on defense.


32 posted on 02/27/2009 6:03:11 AM PST by IrishPennant ("We're surrounded...That simplifies our problem.")
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To: MindBender26

From my post:

“None of this is surprising, since this website is funded by the same fine people who fund Obama’s buddy, the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. They represent themselves as unbiased and non-partisan. That, of course, is just another lie.”


33 posted on 02/27/2009 6:16:58 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Red Steel
Was it so out of the question for Obama just to show his Certification of Live Birth [ COLB] to the court, but instead his lawyers chose to show the judge a hyper text link to it. Does Obama and his lawyers have any confidence to show a 10 buck piece of paper to the court? What are they afraid of?

Think Occam's Razor. You cannot show what doesn't exist. There is no, genuine COLB for Obama that matches what was posted online, and there never was one. His original, long-form Bc shows him being born in Kenya, and that is the reason why NO BIRTH DOCUMENT has ever been shown to the courts or the public, whether it's the COLB transcript or the "vault" certificate.

Obama would sooner commit hari-kari than release the original birth certificate. He would have 32 root canals without anesthesia before he would show his original birth certificate. There are NO OTHER REASONS for hiding it. Obama will use every means at his disposal to prevent his BC from being released. He would shred it before it would ever be submitted to the courts in response to a court order.

The original birth certificate would destroy the Obama mystique and mythology. The original birth certificate cannot be forged and pass inspection as genuine.

If the original BC is released to the public, it would destroy the Obama mythology, and it is the same mythology that got him elected.

So, people need to stop asking why he won't spend 12 dollars for a copy. The truth should be obvious: unless you put a political gun to his head, Obama will continue to stonewall. If the information shown on his original BC matches what appeared on the bogus one posted online back in June 12, then we would have seen a real COLB. We haven't. It's been eight months since that single, bogus image was posted, and despite Obamanites claiming that Obama would show his original BC to make "tin-foil hat conspiracists" look stupid, there was no "July Surprise," "August Surprise," "September Surprise," "October Surprise," "November Surprise," "December Surprise," "January Surprise," and with one day left in the month, no "February Surprise" either.

The only "surprise" Obama has pulled was a really stupid one where his lawyer cites Factcheck as "evidence" of Obama's NBC status.

"Why is Obama hiding his BC?" and "Why won't Obama spend $12 to get a copy of his BC?" should be seen as rhetorical questions.

34 posted on 02/27/2009 6:33:30 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Beckwith
I was recently engaged in an exchange of emails with my buddy Fred Nerks from Oz that prompted me to revisit FactCheck.org, where the Annenberg-funded website has published a web page entitled, "The truth about Obama's birth certificate."

FactCheck.org is part of the Democrat machine.

Here's the "qualifications" on Joe Miller and Jess Henig of FactCheck. It's on the FactCheck “About Us” page (http://www.factcheck.org/about/ ):

Joe Miller
Staff Writer, Annenberg Political Fact Check

Joe Miller earned his B.A. in philosophy from Hampden-Sydney College, his M.A. in philosophy from Virginia Tech, and his Ph.D. in political philosophy from the University of Virginia. He joined the Annenberg Public Policy Center in April 2007 after working as a writer with the Mack/Crounse Group. Previously he was an assistant professor of philosophy at the United States Military Academy and at the University of North Carolina at Pembroke and a visiting fellow at the Callaghan Centre for Conflict Studies at the University of Wales at Swansea

and

Jessica Henig
Staff Writer, Annenberg Political Fact Check

Jessica Henig earned her B.A. in history of science from Smith College and her M.A. in English from the University of Maryland. While at Maryland, she taught digital literature and rhetorical writing. Prior to joining the Annenberg Public Policy Center in May 2007, she worked for the National Academies Press. She has also worked for the National Institutes of Health and as a freelance researcher and editor.

In addition to being Democratic schills, NOTE there's NO qualifications for either of them in document examination, document forensics or any field remotely similar, and yet the word of these two has been taken as absolute fact!


35 posted on 02/27/2009 6:39:10 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Red Steel

Thanks, Red Steel. Appreciate the ping.


36 posted on 02/27/2009 6:55:14 AM PST by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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To: ga medic

Hollister v. Soetoro aka Obama & Biden Complaint

Under para: — Factual Allegations

22. ...The Hawaiin Department of Health issues a Ceritification of Live Birth to births that occurred abroad in foreign countries as well as births that occurred at home and not in a hospital. Certifications of Live Birth are issued to those born as “naturalized” U. S. citizens as well as “natura; born” U. S. citizens. It should be noted, Soetoro’s sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng was born in Indonesia in 1970, she was born a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, however, her birth was registered in Hawaii as a birth abroad and she is only a “naturalized” citizen, not “natural born”; despite this she was issued a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9934967/Berg-Hollister-v-Soetoro-aka-Obama-Biden-Complaint

This stuff is being dug up by private detectives, so it’s open to question, and the only way to satisfy you, and me, for that matter, is for Obama to release his bona fides.

You and I both know there is no REAL PROOF to any of this, since Obama is fighting the release of his bona fides with every resource available to him.

The discussion would end tomorrow if Obama would release his vault-copy birth certificate, his college records and travel documentation. You know it. I know it.

Everyone on this site is regularly asked to produce their bona fides for work, military service, driver’s licenses — heck, my grandson needed to produce his birth certificate to play Pop Warner football.

So the real question is, what is Obama hiding and why is he hiding it.

All the rest is bullsh!t. Your bullsh!t. My bullsh!t. None of us KNOW.

If there’s no there, there — he should just prove it and we can all move on to other issues.

AS long as Obama hides his documentaion, this discussion/argument/bullsh!t will continue. Sooner or later, it will all come out, anyway.

On a less serious note, here’s a site that lists Maya as a “celebrity born in Honolulu.”

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/list/celebrity-categories.asp?FD=birthplace&ID=Honolulu,%20HI

All this crap ends as soon as Obama is straight with the American people.


37 posted on 02/27/2009 7:04:19 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: BP2
In addition to being Democratic schills, NOTE there's NO qualifications for either of them in document examination, document forensics or any field remotely similar, and yet the word of these two has been taken as absolute fact!

It's all a game.

Annenberg Fact Check is accepted as a reliable source -- their "imprimatur" is referenced by senators, congressmen, judges and media celebrities -- it's laughable.

Yet, you can provide 1,000 pages of documentation, and if the Obots can find ANYTHING to question or criticize, the whole package is condemned as false. Look what they did to Jerome Corsi.

And, it works, because the press is part of the cover-up -- and it's is easy to prove the media is complicit.

Of the hundreds, maybe thousands of "journalists" in the country, not one has asked Obama why he is so vigorously fighting the release of his bona fides?

Not one.

38 posted on 02/27/2009 7:24:07 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: BP2

I doubt that bo’s dumb lawyers can get miller & henig qualified as experts.

Perhaps that is why bob the bo’s dumb lawyer puts their findings in the footnotes of his pleadings for bo.


39 posted on 02/27/2009 7:41:39 AM PST by FreeManN (www.ObamaCrimes.info)
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To: NV Lawdog

I think it’s high time our congress people need to produce birth certificates.


40 posted on 02/27/2009 8:04:40 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Beckwith

I agree with you that BO should release the information. I don’t know that I would accept an allegation in a lawsuit as proof of anything. I have heard the claim that Maya has a Hawaiian birth certificate a number of times, but have never seen anything to prove that is true. How would anyone know what birth certificate she has? If Hawaii won’t release BOs why would they release hers?


41 posted on 02/27/2009 8:07:06 AM PST by ga medic
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To: Beckwith

Sooner or later Obama will have to tell the truth.


42 posted on 02/27/2009 8:13:22 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Polarik

If the actual document(s) on file in the Hawaiian vault do not match the thing offered publicly as his ‘proof of natural born status’ then he is open to criminal charges. We are witnessing the utilization of the fifth amendment not to incriminate ones self as played by an affirmative action, arrogant, condescending socialist.


43 posted on 02/27/2009 8:27:32 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ga medic
How would anyone know what birth certificate she has? If Hawaii won’t release BOs why would they release hers?

It all comes back to that doesn't it, doc?

Remember, Hawaii, Occidental College and other sources would release this documentation in a heartbeat, if Obama gave the word. The record-keepers are sitting on this stuff because they haven't been given a release by Obama.

I am hammered all the time about this stuff. I am constantly being asked to prove this allegation or that allegation.

The fact is, no one can prove anything without the documentation, and Obama is fighting tooth and nail to keep it buried. The question is why?

And this conversation doesn't even take into account all the stuff that has disappeared from the World-Wide Web.

I contend that it is Obama's responsibility to prove that he's eligible. He can do so with a phone call. Instead he has teams of lawyers fighting 48 lawsuits and he's spending a fortune to do so. Why?

It is not my responsibility to prove he's not eligible. But I am damned well entitled to question his eligibility. There is sufficient good information to do so.

Aren't you curious?

44 posted on 02/27/2009 8:29:23 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for the ping.
Hope somebody forces his hand since I, as a voter, have no standing.


45 posted on 02/27/2009 9:01:22 AM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: Fred Nerks

So, i read the motion to dismiss and on page 2 of 11, i saw
the footnote, see below.

Is there wedgie room for questioning or challanging reference material in a legal document submitted to a court !?!


1 President Obama has publicly produced a certified copy of a birth certificate showing that he was born on
August 4, 1961, in Honolulu Hawaii. See, e.g., Factcheck.org, “Born in the U.S.A.: The truth about Obama’s


46 posted on 02/27/2009 10:24:31 AM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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Bookmark and a loud BTTT for an excellent thread.


47 posted on 02/27/2009 10:25:09 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Beckwith
We know Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's sister has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth too, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia.

We know this how? Where can I see her Certification of Live Birth?


48 posted on 02/27/2009 10:27:05 AM PST by Michael Michael
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To: Beckwith
On a less serious note, here’s a site that lists Maya as a “celebrity born in Honolulu.”

Just goes to show that the Birthers haven't yet managed to corner the market on the apocryphal.


49 posted on 02/27/2009 10:33:44 AM PST by Michael Michael
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To: BP2; Polarik
NOTE there's NO qualifications for either of them in document examination, document forensics or any field remotely similar, and yet the word of these two has been taken as absolute fact!

You might just as well be describing Polarik.


50 posted on 02/27/2009 10:35:53 AM PST by Michael Michael
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