Skip to comments.Hollister v. Soetoro (aka Obama) Update to Order to Show Cause
Posted on 02/26/2009 6:49:41 PM PST by SvenMagnussen
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA GREGORY S. HOLLISTER, Plaintiff,
BARRY SOETORO, et al., : Defendants.
PLAINTIFFS RESPONSE TO ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE Plaintiff, Gregory S. Hollister, through his counsel, John D. Hemenway, Esquire and Philip J. Berg, Esquire, hereby Respond to Honorable James Robertsons Order to Show Cause issued February 25, 2009 as follows
1. Pursuant to this Honorable Courts Order of February 11, 2009, Plaintiff through his undersigned counsel complied with this Honorable Courts Order and timely filed a Response in Opposition to the Defendants Motion to dismiss on February 13, 2009 which appears on the Pacer Court Docket as item number thirteen (13). A true and correct copy is attached hereto as EXHIBIT A.
2. Plaintiffs Response in Opposition to the Defendants Motion to Dismiss consisted of thirty eight (38) pages in total, which included a proposed Order, one (1) page; Plaintiffs Brief in Opposition to Defendants Motion to Dismiss, two (2) pages; fifteen (15) pages; Exhibits, fifteen (15) pages; Affidavit of Service, one (1) page; and Declaration of Lisa Liberi, five (5) pages.
3. In this Honorable Courts Order to Show Cause his Honor states he received many blank pages, decorated only by what appear to be botanical drawings and the illegible photocopy of an Hawaiian certificate of live birth.
The blank pages were either somebody's idea of a joke (in which case I don't get it) or a mistake. Counsel for Plaintiff would never file blank pages or attempt to play any type of a joke on this Honorable Court as Counsel for Plaintiff have too much respect for the Judicial system.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamacrimes.us ...
Y'all know I am a skeptic on a lot of this but jeeze, Bambi's lawyers are playing games.. from filing motions referring judges to a website to see a document to this, they are either stupid, cocky, or trying to get cases thrown out..
If they weren’t blank, what was on the 15 pages for which no description is offered?
The Court has Discharged Order to Show Cause.
If any of these court cases come to fruition, it would be better if Obama’s approval rating had dipped a little more. Then, an adverse court finding could turn the tide of public opinion quickly against him.
When I applied to be a cop, they not only wanted to see the original certified birth certificate, but also all of my diplomas and accompanying transcripts. And that was just to be a cop; I would think that POTUS would be held to a much higher degreee of scrutiny.
Frankly, I think this is silly.
A lot of people think this is silly.
Personally I dont see anything silly about upholding the Constitution.
Me too. All he has to do is show a valid BC and he could have saved a million dollars in legal fees. I can't figure why he doesn't just shut us up and show the BC.
Oh, I misunderstood, you thought WE were silly. Silly me thought you might think Obama was silly.
Are there images anywhere of what Bambi’s lawyers faxed the judge?
“Obamas approval rating had dipped a little more”
I thought it was worse than Jimmy Carter in 30 days...ALREADY!
I read this to mean that the plaintiffs had filed the blank pages with drawings. I thought that the BO people had only filed a motion to dismiss. Then the plaintiffs had been asked by the court to show cause. They submitted the documents. Not sure but that is what I got out of all this lawyerspeak.
either way, someone is playing games..
Yes, it is lower than Jimmy Carter’s in a comparable time period, but Carter’s was rather high for some reason.
Well, for me it was just marrying and staying married to an
Army officer. I had to produce a legal birth certificate when we were married, followed by a succession of full security clearances re overseas assignments or advanced military schools. They even wanted my mother’s birth certificate and naturalization papers (she was British). Neither she nor I objected.
What the deal with Obozo?
>Personally I dont see anything silly about upholding the Constitution.<
I fear that, even if it is determined that Obama is ineligible to be POTUS, there will not be enough Congressmen with the courage to demand his removal. Watch the democrats go berserk while the republicans grab their ankles.
Oh well, I just have to lock myself up and continue praying for a miracle.
Was it so out of the question for Obama just to show his Certification of Live Birth [ COLB] to the court, but instead his lawyers chose to show the judge a hyper text link to it. Does Obama and his lawyers have any confidence to show a 10 buck piece of paper to the court? What are they afraid of?
It just seemed really odd, I’ve never heard of asking a judge to go to some website (unless it is a case about a website.)
He is Kenyan! And a Natural Born and bred Commie.
Yeah, I knew that and agree with you 100%. It just stretches credulity ...
great points but your just wasting your time replying to a damn gutless liberal. these limp dicks who get on us when we talk about the BC issue are beyond our contempt. yeah silly us huh?
There aren't any images. Plantiff's lawyer says go to factcheck.org.
from your link:
MOTION TO DISMISS
President Obama has publicly produced a certified copy of a birth certificate showing that he was born on
August 4, 1961, in Honolulu Hawaii. See, e.g., Factcheck.org, Born in the U.S.A.: The truth about Obamas
birth certificate, available at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html (concluding that
the birth certificate is genuine, and noting a contemporaneous birth announcement published in a Honolulu
newspaper). Hawaii officials have publicly verified that they have President Obamas original birth certificate
on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. See Certified, Honolulu Star Bulletin, Oct. 31,
2008. This Court can take judicial notice of these public news reports. See The Washington Post v. Robinson,
935 F.2d 282, 291 (D.C. Cir. 1991); Agee v. Muskie, 629 F.2d 80, 81 n.1, 90 (D.C. Cir. 1980).
Obama's Agents At FactCheck.org
I was recently engaged in an exchange of emails with my buddy Fred Nerks from Oz that prompted me to revisit FactCheck.org, where the Annenberg-funded website has published a web page entitled, "The truth about Obama's birth certificate."
The information on this page is 100% bovine excrement.
1. "In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate..."
This statement is false -- the campaign released a "Certification of Live Birth." The document presented on this website is not now and never has been a birth certificate, and FactCheck.org knows it. So why did they publish this lie?
2. "FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate."
This statement is also a lie -- the only people that have seen, touched, and examined Obama's birth certificate is Chiyome Leinaala Fuikino M.D., the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, and the Registrar of Vital Statistics.
Fuikino wrote, "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obamas official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record."
So your conclusion, "We conclude that..." is false, because your conclusions are based on a false premise -- that you have seen Obama's birth certificate -- you haven't, because the State of Hawaii won't release it. What do you think is going on in the 48 lawsuits against Obama. These suits are all trying to get to Obama's birth certificate and 48 times, judges have said, "I can't go for that, ohh, no, I can't go for that."
3. "Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaiis Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu."
Complete fabrication and bold-faced lie -- what Fuikino wrote was, "Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Nowhere in that statement does it say Obama was born in Honolulu, and here is the complete statement: -- check it out yourself.
And, nowhere does FactCheck.org identify the militantly partisan website that released the "Certification of Live Birth" -- The Daily Kos -- one of the wackiest websites extant. This FACT alone makes this entire scenario suspicious, if not patently ridiculous.
1. FactCheck.org's own analysis confirms what I wrote above, under Summary.
2. FactCheck.org presents a photo of a "Certification of Live Birth," captioned, "The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller."
That's a lie, as well -- the document in this photo is a "Certification of Live Birth" (getting tiresome, isn't it) -- not a birth certificate. They are different documents, and the folks at this mendacious organization know the difference -- Joseph Goebbels would be proud of FactCheck.org's big lie.
FactCheck.org presents a photo image of the document further down the page, under Analysis -- That document is not a "birth certificate." It is a "Certification of Live Birth," again, FactCheck.org knowingly misrepresents the document as something it is not, and it's not even the document that was released.
Here is the document that was released to The Daily Kos. The original document released had its Certificate Number blacked out -- and if one looks at the document, it says at the bottom, "ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE" -- even if the document were genuine -- it isn't VALID.
3. FactCheck.org published several other images defending its false presentation on this page.
4. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961.
A birth announcement could have been easily phoned in to the newspaper from anywhere in the world. This "fact" is inconclusive, unless you know who provided the newspaper with the announcement, the means they used, and where they were physically located at the time.
FactCheck.org identifies their anal-ists as Jess Henig and Joe Miller. OK, that's fine, but who and what are Jess Henig and Joe Miller? Are they qualified to make an analysis of ANY document, or are they just a couple of guys hanging around FactCheck.org's office, or are they political operators? What are their bona fides? FactCheck.org doesn't say. Wonder why?
FactCheck does say their, "representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago." In my mind, that clearly shows they were working with and for the Obama Campaign and that Obama and his people are involved in this lie.
Lie? Hell, this is a conspiracy and FactCheck.org boldly admits their part in it.
I prefer to give credence to Dr. Ron Polarik, who holds a Ph.D. in Instructional Media and specializes in computer graphics with over 20 years experience with computers, printers and typewriters, who provides conclusive and irrefutable evidence that the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) image created and distributed by Obama's campaign to the Daily Kos, Annenberg's Factcheck, and the St. Petersburg Times, and Politifact, is, unquestionably, a false identification document. Here, is his final report.
A second expert forensic document examiner Ms. Sandra Ramsey Lines has filed an affidavit associated with one of the lawsuits, stating the following:
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an address at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from "Ron Polarik." After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the "Daily Kos," the Obama Campaign, "Factcheck.org" and others cannot be relied upon as genuine.
Since the title of the FactCheck.org web page is, "The truth about Obama's birth certificate," everything on the page is a bold-faced lie, because FactCheck.org has never, ever seen Obama's birth certificate and every image and reference is to a Certification of Live Birth.
Hawaii is notorious for its issuance of COLB's. Click here to see a large copy of a beautifully printed Certificate of Hawaiian Birth (If you click it, it will get bigger or smaller). It belongs to Sun Yat-Sen, the Father of Modern China, who was born in China.
This Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, dated March 14, 1904, was issued after Dr. Sun signed a raggedy type-written statement affirming that he was born in Hawaii on Nov. 24, 1870. Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms.
We know Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's sister has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth too, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia.
None of this is surprising, since this website is funded by the same fine people who fund Obama's buddy, the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. They represent themselves as unbiased and non-partisan. That, of course, is just another lie.
This "birth certificate" controversy is not nearly as important as the fact that Obama is not a "natural born citizen."
“Bambi’s lawyers are playing games.. from filing motions referring judges to a website to see a document to this, they are either stupid, cocky, or trying to get cases thrown out..”
It is all of the above, bob the bo’s dumb lawyer is “stupid, cocky,” AND “trying to get cases thrown out..”
“We know Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s sister has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth too, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia.”
Source or proof for this claim please.
Very good summary and compilation.
Plz note, the site cited is actually “Annenberg Fact Check.”
Is this the same Annenberg that has financed “Bomber Bill” Ayers” (and his closest friend Barack Obama’s ) radical campaigns for the last 20 years?
The Court has Discharged Order to Show Cause. =
Case can go forward.
Back to “normal”
Yes, it is...and funded by George Soros
Thanks for the ping....at the very, very least this should silence those who consistently say that Pres. Crisis has not had to spend a dime on defense.
From my post:
“None of this is surprising, since this website is funded by the same fine people who fund Obama’s buddy, the unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. They represent themselves as unbiased and non-partisan. That, of course, is just another lie.”
Think Occam's Razor. You cannot show what doesn't exist. There is no, genuine COLB for Obama that matches what was posted online, and there never was one. His original, long-form Bc shows him being born in Kenya, and that is the reason why NO BIRTH DOCUMENT has ever been shown to the courts or the public, whether it's the COLB transcript or the "vault" certificate.
Obama would sooner commit hari-kari than release the original birth certificate. He would have 32 root canals without anesthesia before he would show his original birth certificate. There are NO OTHER REASONS for hiding it. Obama will use every means at his disposal to prevent his BC from being released. He would shred it before it would ever be submitted to the courts in response to a court order.
The original birth certificate would destroy the Obama mystique and mythology. The original birth certificate cannot be forged and pass inspection as genuine.
If the original BC is released to the public, it would destroy the Obama mythology, and it is the same mythology that got him elected.
So, people need to stop asking why he won't spend 12 dollars for a copy. The truth should be obvious: unless you put a political gun to his head, Obama will continue to stonewall. If the information shown on his original BC matches what appeared on the bogus one posted online back in June 12, then we would have seen a real COLB. We haven't. It's been eight months since that single, bogus image was posted, and despite Obamanites claiming that Obama would show his original BC to make "tin-foil hat conspiracists" look stupid, there was no "July Surprise," "August Surprise," "September Surprise," "October Surprise," "November Surprise," "December Surprise," "January Surprise," and with one day left in the month, no "February Surprise" either.
The only "surprise" Obama has pulled was a really stupid one where his lawyer cites Factcheck as "evidence" of Obama's NBC status.
"Why is Obama hiding his BC?" and "Why won't Obama spend $12 to get a copy of his BC?" should be seen as rhetorical questions.
Here's the "qualifications" on Joe Miller and Jess Henig of FactCheck. It's on the FactCheck About Us page (http://www.factcheck.org/about/ ):
Staff Writer, Annenberg Political Fact Check
Joe Miller earned his B.A. in philosophy from Hampden-Sydney College, his M.A. in philosophy from Virginia Tech, and his Ph.D. in political philosophy from the University of Virginia. He joined the Annenberg Public Policy Center in April 2007 after working as a writer with the Mack/Crounse Group. Previously he was an assistant professor of philosophy at the United States Military Academy and at the University of North Carolina at Pembroke and a visiting fellow at the Callaghan Centre for Conflict Studies at the University of Wales at Swansea
Staff Writer, Annenberg Political Fact Check
Jessica Henig earned her B.A. in history of science from Smith College and her M.A. in English from the University of Maryland. While at Maryland, she taught digital literature and rhetorical writing. Prior to joining the Annenberg Public Policy Center in May 2007, she worked for the National Academies Press. She has also worked for the National Institutes of Health and as a freelance researcher and editor.
Thanks, Red Steel. Appreciate the ping.
Hollister v. Soetoro aka Obama & Biden Complaint
Under para: — Factual Allegations
22. ...The Hawaiin Department of Health issues a Ceritification of Live Birth to births that occurred abroad in foreign countries as well as births that occurred at home and not in a hospital. Certifications of Live Birth are issued to those born as “naturalized” U. S. citizens as well as “natura; born” U. S. citizens. It should be noted, Soetoro’s sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng was born in Indonesia in 1970, she was born a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, however, her birth was registered in Hawaii as a birth abroad and she is only a “naturalized” citizen, not “natural born”; despite this she was issued a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB).
This stuff is being dug up by private detectives, so it’s open to question, and the only way to satisfy you, and me, for that matter, is for Obama to release his bona fides.
You and I both know there is no REAL PROOF to any of this, since Obama is fighting the release of his bona fides with every resource available to him.
The discussion would end tomorrow if Obama would release his vault-copy birth certificate, his college records and travel documentation. You know it. I know it.
Everyone on this site is regularly asked to produce their bona fides for work, military service, driver’s licenses — heck, my grandson needed to produce his birth certificate to play Pop Warner football.
So the real question is, what is Obama hiding and why is he hiding it.
All the rest is bullsh!t. Your bullsh!t. My bullsh!t. None of us KNOW.
If there’s no there, there — he should just prove it and we can all move on to other issues.
AS long as Obama hides his documentaion, this discussion/argument/bullsh!t will continue. Sooner or later, it will all come out, anyway.
On a less serious note, here’s a site that lists Maya as a “celebrity born in Honolulu.”
All this crap ends as soon as Obama is straight with the American people.
I doubt that bo’s dumb lawyers can get miller & henig qualified as experts.
Perhaps that is why bob the bo’s dumb lawyer puts their findings in the footnotes of his pleadings for bo.
I think it’s high time our congress people need to produce birth certificates.
I agree with you that BO should release the information. I don’t know that I would accept an allegation in a lawsuit as proof of anything. I have heard the claim that Maya has a Hawaiian birth certificate a number of times, but have never seen anything to prove that is true. How would anyone know what birth certificate she has? If Hawaii won’t release BOs why would they release hers?
Sooner or later Obama will have to tell the truth.
If the actual document(s) on file in the Hawaiian vault do not match the thing offered publicly as his ‘proof of natural born status’ then he is open to criminal charges. We are witnessing the utilization of the fifth amendment not to incriminate ones self as played by an affirmative action, arrogant, condescending socialist.
Thanks for the ping.
Hope somebody forces his hand since I, as a voter, have no standing.
So, i read the motion to dismiss and on page 2 of 11, i saw
the footnote, see below.
Is there wedgie room for questioning or challanging reference material in a legal document submitted to a court !?!
Bookmark and a loud BTTT for an excellent thread.