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Posted on 03/12/2009 9:06:45 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

The failure to secure the border to prevent illegal drugs from entering into the United States from Mexico in the first place is inexusable. The Mexican drug cartels have established distribution networks and supply lines in at least 230 American cities, and the enforcement violence among the rival cells has been brutally incessant in Phoenix, Atlanta and Houston. The governors of Arizona and Texas have requested national guard troops to secure their borders only to be rebuffed by resident Barack Obama who "said that now is not the time to send troops":

"We've got a very big border with Mexico," Mr. Obama told a group of reporters in Washington. "I'm not interested in militarizing the border."

Isn't the primary job of the President to secure our national security?

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: drugcartels; drugwarconsequences; generalleroy; mexico; newcatsisatroll; thankprohibition; timetobannewcats; wod

1 posted on 03/12/2009 9:06:45 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

How about stopping the flow of guns TO Mexico. I have heard the 75% of the guns used by the drug cartels are US made and smuggled into Mexico.


2 posted on 03/12/2009 9:08:25 AM PDT by newcats (Natural Born Skeptic)
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To: AtlasStalled

Huh? I am confused. The National Guard -— isn’t that the one that can be called up by the Governor in a state when there is en emergency? Oh yeah and it can be used Nationally as well. Why do they need Obambi’s permission to call up the Guard?


3 posted on 03/12/2009 9:10:08 AM PDT by the long march
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To: AtlasStalled

End the drug war and put the gangs and smugglers out of business.


4 posted on 03/12/2009 9:10:29 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: newcats

That’s a load of crap.

Nobody is going to convince me that the guns in Mexico aren’t coming off of container ships through cartel controlled mexican ports. It doesn’t make sense that the cartels would choose piecemeal guns across the border at higher prices over cheap guns in bulk.


5 posted on 03/12/2009 9:12:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

I’m suspicious of the 75 percent claim as well:

There is no reliable data on the extent to which guns used by the drug cartels are even from the United States. Mexican authorities contend that 75 percent of the guns they seize are American but inexplicably refuse to identify the serial numbers on the weapons to confirm the claim. Los Zetas, which provides paramilitary muscle for the Gulf Cartel, is run by former troops, and tens of thousands of cartel foot soldiers are deserters from the army. Given the rampant corruption within Mexico’s institutions its military and police may be likely sources for arming the drug cartels. One thing’s for sure: the hand grenades that Los Zetas is lobbing around are from North Korea. In any event, even if the United States were successful in stopping the illegal flow of all guns south of the border, the drug cartels are sufficiently cash rich that they would find replacement sources quick enough.


6 posted on 03/12/2009 9:16:58 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Yesterday, Joe Biden announced he appointment of the new Drug Czar, the Chief of Police in Seattle. I forget his name, so let’s just call him Chief Kurlicue (it sounds like that with a chek, on the end) . Anyway Joe Biden stated that it would be the job of the new Drug Czar to control the violence at the border. Interesting, don’t you think? It’s not the job of homeland security, it’s the Drug Czar’s job.

Anyway, Chief Kulicue, took the stage and stated that the drug war is really a matter of controlling America’s appetite for drugs. So, I guess we are back to, “Just say no to drugs.”


7 posted on 03/12/2009 9:18:36 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: Eva
“Just say no to drugs.”

Well it would work and doesn't cost anything.
8 posted on 03/12/2009 9:20:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Mexican and U.S. officials estimate that more than 90% of the weapons used by Mexican drug cartels come from the U.S.”

That’s from a WSJ article. Ihave seen the same info in articles from Rueters too.


9 posted on 03/12/2009 9:23:00 AM PDT by newcats (Natural Born Skeptic)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh, yeah, it worked so well when Nancy Regan led the DARE effort.


10 posted on 03/12/2009 9:23:30 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: newcats

Guess we better outlaw guns here then.


11 posted on 03/12/2009 9:25:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Eva

I can’t help it if drug scum are worthless morons who feed the violence in mexico and America. Not my fault, not my problem.


12 posted on 03/12/2009 9:26:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Here's yOUR problem:

We spend billions a year to stop something that won't be stopped. Instead it gets worse. The real proboem is the war on drugs is counter to human nature and basic economic principles. Two very strong forces.

13 posted on 03/12/2009 9:29:21 AM PDT by nufsed
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To: nufsed
We spend billions a year to stop something that won't be stopped.

And why won't people quit? Because they're weak pathetic morons.
14 posted on 03/12/2009 9:31:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
I guess yiou forgot the economic argumant. Oh well!

People are weak. So let's keep dumping billions a year down a rat whole trying to make them strong.

15 posted on 03/12/2009 9:33:36 AM PDT by nufsed
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To: nufsed

Be a lot cheaper if they’d man up and go to mexico where they can live in utopia because the violence would end as if magical elves fixed the problem.


16 posted on 03/12/2009 9:35:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: AtlasStalled

No way, the only interest the Administration has in the issue is in using it as an excuse to ban guns right here. If you’ve been following the media wurlitzer, Mexican drug violence reports always end with the assertion that the guns are all coming from El Norte.

Just cranking up the propaganda machine. Do you even have to ask to know what Obama’s attitude is towards drug use?


17 posted on 03/12/2009 9:52:24 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: cripplecreek

And the ones off the ships are automatic assault weapons, the ones we sell here are only semi- auto.


18 posted on 03/12/2009 10:02:43 AM PDT by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: sinanju

Starting to sound like we have a gun grabber group right here at FR. Pretty sad that some choose drugs over guns.

I’ve always supported decriminalizing (not legalization) marijuana but the rabid irrationality of many pro legalization folks is driving me in exactly the opposite direction.


19 posted on 03/12/2009 10:13:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: mysterio
“End the drug war and put the gangs and smugglers out of business.”

Shoot, just legalize marijuana and that will take away most of their income and make it harder for them to get their cocaine, meth and heroin to people. Mexican drug trafficking organizations supply most of the cocaine, meth and heroin consumed in this country but that's only several hundred tons compared to the many thousands of tons of marijuana they supply. Those other drugs just piggyback in on the marijuana and go through the same channels and end up in many cases being sold by the people at the bottom of the distribution chain selling the Mexican pot. Take marijuana from these people and that will deprive them of most of their income and one of their best ways to get drugs like cocaine, meth and heroin to end consumers. They'll end up being a lot smaller and less powerful and less of a threat, and pot smokers will have less exposure to the hard stuff so less will try any of it.

20 posted on 03/12/2009 10:30:33 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: cripplecreek

Why doesn’t that surprise me?


21 posted on 03/12/2009 11:55:46 AM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: cripplecreek

Great comment...
What is your solution?


22 posted on 03/12/2009 12:38:57 PM PDT by newcats (Natural Born Skeptic)
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To: cripplecreek
And why won't people quit? Because they're weak pathetic morons.

What this means, however, is that anyone who drinks alcohol is a weak pathetic moron. Certainly during prohibition they were (since it was illegal and they did it anyway) and since you cannot go from being a pathetic moron to not being one just because they repeal a law, that means everyone who drinks alcohol is a pathetic moron.
23 posted on 03/12/2009 1:55:48 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

I don’t drink.

Do you? LOL


24 posted on 03/12/2009 1:58:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek
Do you? LOL

Absolutely. But we should probably outlaw it anyway. Then we could have raging border wars both in the north and south.
25 posted on 03/12/2009 2:06:10 PM PDT by microgood
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To: the long march

They want the Feds to pick up the tab. The guv has to pay for a state call-up. If Federal expenditures are ever appropriate for anything, it oughta be for this.


26 posted on 03/12/2009 3:09:31 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

Won’t quibb;e on that. Maybe the bail out money should all be directed to National Guard units ;)


27 posted on 03/13/2009 8:33:13 AM PDT by the long march
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