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Sick Kitty - Bone Cancer in his Jaw...
3/23/09 | GRRRRR

Posted on 03/23/2009 5:39:30 PM PDT by GRRRRR

My oldest cat-14 years old, Smokie, has bone cancer in his jaw. Most of his right mandible has been eaten away. It was swollen and sore a week ago and I took him into the vet today.

Vet said there isn't much to do for him, just watch how he eats and his overall behaviors will tell us how he's doing. She said there is a surgery, they don't do it, to remove the affected bone area and replace it with steel. It's 1500$ at least and no guarantees of recovery or cure.

She had to sedate him for x-rays today and it took three hours for Smokie to come out of it. He's eaten 3/4 of a can of food and is all back to 'normal' for now.

She also gave me some oral pain killers for him, 2mL every other day.

OK gang, any thoughts on how long this might take for my best buddy? I almost sent him off this morning, I KNEW it was cancer before I even took him in...


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KEYWORDS: cats; kitties; kitty; prayer; prayerrequest
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1 posted on 03/23/2009 5:39:30 PM PDT by GRRRRR
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To: GRRRRR

I appreciate he is your buddy but let him go.

http://www.petloss.com/poems/maingrp/rainbowb.htm


2 posted on 03/23/2009 5:42:01 PM PDT by edcoil (Spring has sprung, the grass is riz'd, I wonder where the flowers is?)
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To: GRRRRR

Bad teeth. THat’s what I’m told causes it. gotta get those teeth yanked out as soon as they go bad.


3 posted on 03/23/2009 5:42:30 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: GRRRRR
sorry to hear about kitty. You might want to try some DCA $100 is a lot cheaper than $1500
4 posted on 03/23/2009 5:42:38 PM PDT by grandpa jones (L.O.M.A. (loyal opposition my azz))
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To: GRRRRR

Like it or not.....It’s probably time to say goodbye....

My best friend had his lab put down last week. It was tough on all of us. But, there comes a time when, it’s just time.

Sorry for you and Smokie...


5 posted on 03/23/2009 5:44:14 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: GRRRRR
Oh my gosh, I am so sorry to hear that! Prayers up for Smokie...

To try to raise at least some of the funds for the surgery, go to http://www.fundable.com and put up a fundraiser there. The more enticing of a headline, and the more detailed the narrative (definitely include pictures in the post if you can), the more likely it will be that you will reach your goal.

The main thing to remember about fundable is it's an all or nothing deal...if you don't reach your goal, you don't get any of the money...so keep that in mind as you set your goal. I believe you can change it during the fundraiser time though.

One way to get more attention to your fundraiser may be to go to craigslist...every city has a pets section. Maybe post to several cities, and let them know about the story, giving them a link to your fundraiser.

No matter what, prayers up for your little guy!!

6 posted on 03/23/2009 5:46:49 PM PDT by Peace4EarthNow (Want to go to Heaven? - http://www.allaboutgod.com)
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To: GRRRRR

Just a question, how may cats do you have?


7 posted on 03/23/2009 5:47:08 PM PDT by edcoil (Spring has sprung, the grass is riz'd, I wonder where the flowers is?)
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To: GRRRRR

We had to let our Duchess go last year. Very hard. I still cry. Maybe we’ll see her again some day. She was in pain and we couldn’t let her suffer.


8 posted on 03/23/2009 5:47:52 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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9 posted on 03/23/2009 5:48:00 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: GRRRRR

Only you will know. This morning wasn’t the time apparently. If he has a quality of life, then by all means do what you feel necessary. We have had cats with cancer before. One went through two surgeries removing it from his nose. After the second surgery, he lived 3 more years. Another lived several months after having a lung lobe removed. We never regretted trying with our critters. They are family. But only you will know if you should do surgery, or if you should just let time progress and take your sweet kitty in a little later.


10 posted on 03/23/2009 5:48:22 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: GRRRRR

Love him as hard as you can but don’t let him suffer. You’ll know when it’s time.


11 posted on 03/23/2009 5:48:34 PM PDT by barker (Sarah Palin 2012? You betcha.)
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To: GRRRRR

Pretty kitty. I love tabbies.


12 posted on 03/23/2009 5:48:49 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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I’m so sorry. I’ve had to deal with cancer in several cats that’s I’ve been very close to.

All I can say is, if he doesn’t seem to be in pain, and he’s still eating and using his litter box and acting fairly normally, just love him and appeciate him & spend as much time as you can with him.
When he starts to lose his appetite and not seem like himself, you’ll have to decide the time to let him go. Sometimes they’ll tell you when it’s time.
It’s so awful to lose a pet, especially one that you’re really attached to.
: (


13 posted on 03/23/2009 5:48:59 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: edcoil

We have three, all of them have been very healthy, don’t go outside at all. NONE of them have ever had any health issues thus far.


14 posted on 03/23/2009 5:49:17 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: Slings and Arrows

Kittie ping request!


15 posted on 03/23/2009 5:50:11 PM PDT by Peace4EarthNow (Want to go to Heaven? - http://www.allaboutgod.com)
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To: GRRRRR; Slings and Arrows; Glenn; republicangel; Bahbah; Beaker; BADROTOFINGER; etabeta; ...
Praying Cat

16 posted on 03/23/2009 5:51:55 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: GRRRRR; AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; apackof2; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; ...

Doggie ping!!

Cat owner needs advice and/or prayers for his little guy...come on over & help him if you can...


17 posted on 03/23/2009 5:52:00 PM PDT by Peace4EarthNow (Want to go to Heaven? - http://www.allaboutgod.com)
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To: GRRRRR

Bless your heart....and your sweet Tabby’s.


18 posted on 03/23/2009 5:52:10 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: GRRRRR

There are things you can do to slow the progress of the cancer, and make your cat more comfortable. It’s different for cats, and somewhat more difficult, because they’re less agreeable about pills, supplements and dietary changes compared to dogs, but look into it. I cared for my best buddy, a lab, for close to a year when he had cancer. He was happy as a clam and comfortable right up until the day he died. I still miss him greatly.

You want to find an holistic veterinarian, who is familiar with herbal anti-inflammatories. Cancer coopts the inflammatory response and spreads that way. As far as traditional veterinary medicine, radiation isn’t as dire as it sounds initially, and does wonders for relieving the pain of bone tumors, and slowing the progress of it.

Get on your favorite search engine and you’ll find plenty. Research before you buy online, though. There are people touting all kinds of things for pets with cancer, and it’s not all effective. Some is outright quackery, but you’ll know soon enough, people are very outspoken on the boards ... plenty of boards for discussion and venting, too.

Can’t speak for cats, but for dogs, the prescription painkiller, an NSAID called Metacam can work wonders for slowing or even reducing certain cancers. Herbally, turmeric is good (interferes with radiation and chemo, so watch it if you can do this and decide to try it). Dietary, get the grain out, go for protein. Carbs feed the tumor. Omega 3 (not 6 or 9) is good, too.

Prednisone is the palliative fallback, when surgery is not an option for whatever reason. It can be very helpful too, but pitfalls exist, frequent urination, degenerative disorders from long term use. But, if you make it long term, I’d say that’s a good thing.

Best of luck. I know it can seem overwhelming.


19 posted on 03/23/2009 5:53:30 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GRRRRR

As someone very wise told me one time when I hesitated as you are doing now:

An animal will stay with you as long as they can no mattier their pain..because they love you. You have to now love him/her enough to let him go. :) Sad but...you’ll be able to look back knowing you did the right thing. We know you will. :(


20 posted on 03/23/2009 5:54:10 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush the greatest voice of CONSERVATISM! God Bless Rush Limbaugh!!!)
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To: nuconvert

I think we’ll just let some time go by and see what he tells us. It’s clear he knows he’s not well. He’s always been vocal and lately he’s added a few different ‘meowls’ that I’m sure mean he’s hurting.

I’ve been through this several times before and I’ve never rushed it, always let the animal tell me when.

I had one male, almost 17 and I took him in and the vet said let’s give him some IV vitamins....that darn cat lived three more years! Died sleeping in the bathtub!


21 posted on 03/23/2009 5:54:20 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: MayflowerMadam

And YOU did the right thing. God bless you.


22 posted on 03/23/2009 5:54:54 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush the greatest voice of CONSERVATISM! God Bless Rush Limbaugh!!!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thank YOU! I knew there was a ping list, been searching for an hour and couldn’t find it..

G


23 posted on 03/23/2009 5:55:01 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: GRRRRR

Hugs and prayers for you and your furry friend. It’s hard to say goodbye to a beloved pet, but sometimes that is exactly what we need to do. They’ve give us their trust, their love, their companionship, and their hearts — in return, we love them, we care for them, and we lovingly (but tearfully) need to let them go peacefully ... when it’s time. You’ll know.


24 posted on 03/23/2009 5:55:25 PM PDT by PERKY2004 (Proud Military Wife -- my DH is in his 26th year of military service! PRAY 4 OUR TROOPS!)
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My pleasure.


25 posted on 03/23/2009 5:55:41 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I got some Metacam today, that’s the painkiller she gave me.


26 posted on 03/23/2009 5:56:13 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: GRRRRR

I’m so sorry. You are going to have to do a very hard thing.


27 posted on 03/23/2009 5:58:26 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person-Snow white)
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To: GRRRRR

As a big-time doggie lover, I can certainly empathize. It’s so hard to let go, but sometimes it is the best thing we can do for our faithful friends. You have my prayers.


28 posted on 03/23/2009 6:00:09 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: GRRRRR

I am so sorry your cat is sick.
I too have lost several cats and dogs to cancer.
It is painful to watch.
Our prayers are with you and your cat.
My cats and dogs will greet yours when it’s time.


29 posted on 03/23/2009 6:01:52 PM PDT by siamesecats
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To: GRRRRR

I hope he’s not in too much pain. Cats don’t normally vocalize their pain unless it’s bad. His appetite will diminish as he gets worse, so you’ll know.
I’m so sorry.


30 posted on 03/23/2009 6:07:14 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: GRRRRR

Is it the lemon-flavored liquid with a dropper? I eventually gave up trying to disguise it in food and squirted it directly in Woody’s mouth. He didn’t care much for it, but it turned out to be more merciful for us both to just get it over with. He didn’t mind it at all after a month or so, actually would stand there and wait for me to do it, such a good sport, my buddy was.

It may be different for cats, but there is a very small minority of dogs who react badly to Metacam. If there are any warnings about blood in the urine, do take it seriously and stop treatment immediately if you see it. I was really concerned when I gave him his first dose, but no problems. He seemed to relax and feel better within ten minutes’ time, every time.

For “off label” cancer treatment, dosage is usually increased above the recommended painkilling dosage by weight. You’ll want to find someone to discuss this with, a cooperative vet if yours doesn’t want to go there.

A hard and fast rule, no other NSAIDs and no aspirin, period, while on Metacam. Don’t do it. You could kill your cat combining them.

Lastly, you can get Metacam online a heck of a lot cheaper than at the vet’s office.


31 posted on 03/23/2009 6:08:02 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GRRRRR
I believe the saddest day of my life was when we had to put to sleep our dear 16-year-old cat, Alec, almost three years ago.

My prayers are with you. Be strong and do what is best for your beloved pet at this time.

32 posted on 03/23/2009 6:09:43 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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I will break from the pack and say keep him alive as long as you can but without letting him feel too much pain. Why is euthanasia ok for animals but not for humans ? Imagine the betrayal your pet, especially dogs, would feel if he knew you were going to put him down — after all the unconditional love he gave you.


33 posted on 03/23/2009 6:11:30 PM PDT by libh8er
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As hard as it is, I also think you should ease your little furry buddy’s burden and have him put down.

Last year our friend had to have his rottie “Buttercup” put down 4 months after having his right front leg removed due to cancer. The cancer had evidently weakened his system enough that his right rear leg broke one evening while walking away from his dinner dish. I was in the kitchen watching him eat when it happened.

$3500 for 4 months of pain was not a good trade.

It’s sad, it’s hard, but it’s the promise we make them when they give their lives to serving us in their special way.

When their life becomes a burden, we promise to lift that burden. It’s our duty.


34 posted on 03/23/2009 6:12:23 PM PDT by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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I feel for you and sympathies and prayers for Smokie. Our “Butchie” a brown Tabbie over white who came to us in a storm and stayed for years eventually went out due kidney failure. We extended his life by at least 18 mos with subcutaneous fluid infusions. I always considered my wife and I the last line for our family to include our nonhuman members
35 posted on 03/23/2009 6:14:48 PM PDT by Polynikes
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Nice kitty!

I find it harder to lose a pet than a relative. It’s too bad they don’t outlive us.


36 posted on 03/23/2009 6:15:43 PM PDT by Poser (American-American)
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We lost two little guys to this a few years back. Is it is a bone cancer or something else? As many say, you know when it is time. It is difficult, but you know your pet and will know when he isn’t enjoying things so much. For us, one made it many months, the other was just a week or two before we knew.


37 posted on 03/23/2009 6:17:10 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: GRRRRR

Just sent a prayer for both of you and the vet and staff. May God bless you with discernment and with peace in whatever you decide.


38 posted on 03/23/2009 6:20:33 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: RegulatorCountry

This stuff is in 2mL syringes, for oral use. She told me to keep an eye on urine as it could affect his kidneys.

Thanks for the info.
G


39 posted on 03/23/2009 6:20:49 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: Don W

I’d have harsh words myself for that vet, who subjected your friend’s Rottie to amputation, and didn’t bother to check for metastases; must not have been a veterinary oncologist. Dogs do quite well after losing a leg, they take it better than their people do, they have no vanity. But, it’s a major surgery, there is trauma to get past, and he was barely past it at four months.

There are some vets who don’t really seem to care for animals. I’ve never understood it. If your dogs or cats don’t like your vet, if he or she doesn’t interact well with them and actually seem to like them, get another vet. There’s a reason they don’t seem to care. It’s because they don’t.


40 posted on 03/23/2009 6:23:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Had I not gone through it twice in the last 4 months, last November and again last week, I wouldn't want to say anything. But what I did was hang on as long as I could, spent all I could afford, and did whatever I could do for them both as long as they didn't seem to be in too much pain, still had some personality and had some involvement in life.

There came a point for both of them when there was only one thing I could do for them. Hurt like hell...still does sometimes, but it was the right thing to do for them.

41 posted on 03/23/2009 6:24:15 PM PDT by GBA
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GRRRRR,

I know how painful this is for you. Our little 14yr. old Scottie had to be put to sleep. She had bladder cancer.

I couldn’t stand the thought of it, and held on far too long. The pain became unbearable, and we finally had to take her to be put to sleep. It was very difficult even knowing that it was for the best.

You will know when it is time for Smokie to go. In retrospect, I know it really is the kindest thing to do for them.

Prayers. God bless.


42 posted on 03/23/2009 6:24:30 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: GRRRRR

Smokie has beautiful eyes...a very handsome cat.


43 posted on 03/23/2009 6:27:58 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: GRRRRR

Our dog had melanoma and we went through 6 surgeries, an experimental drug trial and chemo. After a year, she died of a totally unrelated spleen disorder (genetic). We are now working through over $10,000 of bills from the NCSU Vet School. Looking back on it, she was lethargic and not herself from the first surgery on. When confronted with the second surgery, we should have said good bye.

Had we known the total cost, we would have probably said “no” at the beginning. But the vets were very good at prodding us to keep going to the next step. Looking back, I wish we had let her go sooner and given the money to the Salvation Army.

A new puppy (different bloodline) will arrive this September and we will start over.


44 posted on 03/23/2009 6:31:43 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: GRRRRR
It's so heartbreaking to hear about your little buddy.

He's lived a long life and I'm sure it was filled with joy and much love from you. The kindest thing you can do for him now is to let him go to Rainbow Bridge. You and the vet both know that he's suffering or he would not be needing pain pills.

Hold him and talk to him while he crosses over. He should not have to leave without feeling your love and your presence at the end of his time with you. It's hard to do - but he's given you a lot in his life and you owe him this much in return.

I know how much you love him because you cared enough to post about him. The kindess thing you can do is to give him the dignity of not going through the pain and agony of his life slipping away each day.

Link to Rainbow Bridge

45 posted on 03/23/2009 6:39:26 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

I know you’ve had a bad experience, but if you ever have a need to treat your dog for cancer again, I can’t speak highly enough of Dave Ruslander over in Cary. State is sort of catch-as-catch-can, from what I have been able to tell.


46 posted on 03/23/2009 6:39:32 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GRRRRR

Beautiful kitty. Prayers for Smokie. Hang in there. I know how hard it is to see a pet get sick.


47 posted on 03/23/2009 6:42:41 PM PDT by mysterio
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It's time, friend. Do your duty for your pet. My wife died with cancer in her bones. It's like a whole body toothache.

I'm sorry

48 posted on 03/23/2009 6:45:11 PM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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When our wonderful little pug, Jackie, started getting melanomas, she had one in her mouth and throat. The vet told us that back when he was a new vet, he had done severe surgery on a pug that had mouth cancer, taking a lot of the jaw out. He said that he will never agree to do that again; just that he felt it caused much more suffering than was necessary, and the poor pug died, anyway, fairly soon after.

The vet told us to keep Jackie as long as she was comfortable and doing okay, and he would give us pain meds if we wanted. He did not recommend any further treatment. She really never did seem to be in pain at all so we didn't do the pain pills.

Once poor Jackie got so that the tumor in her mouth and throat was making it hard for her to breathe (she managed to eat okay right up to the end; don't know how she did it when she was having trouble breathing, but she did; she loved her chow!) we took her in and had her put to sleep. She was the best little dog; totally her own self, and rarely did anything we told her to do unless she felt like it, anyway. We loved her like crazy, but we would not have had her jaw taken apart since the cancer was in several other places, and was spreading everywhere.

If I were you, I would not have the surgery done if it has spread. Bone cancer may not be the spreader that melanoma is. Ask the vet if the cancer has already spread.

49 posted on 03/23/2009 6:48:09 PM PDT by Irene Adler (Is it possible to be a socially conservative anarchist?)
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To: GRRRRR

I am so sorry that your poor kitty is going through this and that you are going to have to make a tough decision.

Although I’ve never had cats (always dogs) I understand how much a part of your family any pet can be.

Your pet loving friends will be here for you....


50 posted on 03/23/2009 6:49:19 PM PDT by azishot (I just joined the NRA.)
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