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Citizens Shouting Out: Georgia Grand Jury Indicts Obama/Soetoro
Evil Conservative Radio ^ | 28 March 2009 | EC

Posted on 03/28/2009 3:43:32 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle

Stockbridge, Georgia- The questions over the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to occupy his current position as President of the United States continue to be raised. After being presented with evidence in the matter, a citizens' grand jury convened by Carl Swensson in Georgia has returned an indictment against Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro aka Barry Sutoro.

Reportedly the sealed indictment, scheduled to be delivered to prosecutors on Monday, includes counts of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. "It's a done deal, and the people of the State of Georgia demand action on this matter," said Carl Swensson after the grand jury proceedings had finished. "I can't comment on this other than to say that the sealed indictment will be delivered to prosecutors on Monday."

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1 posted on 03/28/2009 3:43:33 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle

Who knows were this will lead.


2 posted on 03/28/2009 3:49:35 PM PDT by A. Morgan (Every night I pray that Rezko and Blago roll over on Obama!)
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To: A. Morgan

No where. They don’t have any standing, whatsoever.


3 posted on 03/28/2009 3:54:49 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Little Ray

What does standing have to do with a grand jury?


4 posted on 03/28/2009 3:55:39 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: nysuperdoodle

Means that the President can’t be forced to respond to their indictment, nor will any case ever go to court over this.


5 posted on 03/28/2009 3:58:03 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Time wounds all heels. Barry will get his someday. The truth always wins. Eventually.


6 posted on 03/28/2009 4:02:18 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is FORCE." George Washington)
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To: Little Ray

no... standing is a legal term that applies to a plaintiff in a civil suit. I think you mean to say that they haven’t the authority to do so... but according to our own supreme court, they do...so i tmay be ignored by prosecutors, but that doesn’t mean that anyone acted outside their authority. On the contrary.. it means that our government is disregarding common law as well as constitutional law


7 posted on 03/28/2009 4:03:39 PM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: A. Morgan
Who knows were this will lead.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^’’

Saul Alinsky would say, “It doesn't matter!”

Even if it goes nowhere, it is one more irritant that puts pressure on Obama. It is one more way to make Obama appear to be an illegitimate usurper of the office of president, (whether or not he is or not). Indirectly it makes his policies appear illegitimate as well.

The conservative strategy should never at any time give Obama any rest in anything!....and this includes his natural born status.

8 posted on 03/28/2009 4:14:44 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: tutstar

gnip


9 posted on 03/28/2009 4:16:00 PM PDT by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has. The question is faith in what?)
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To: nysuperdoodle

This is a make-believe grand jury...but,what the heck: run with it !


10 posted on 03/28/2009 4:23:22 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Little Ray

I have this on background. Obimbo’s teleprompter will be subpoenaed!


11 posted on 03/28/2009 4:25:42 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: wintertime
Even if it goes nowhere, it is one more irritant that puts pressure on Obama.

It's one more way to send a message people are increasingly questioning his legitimacy.
12 posted on 03/28/2009 4:25:49 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

I completely agree.


13 posted on 03/28/2009 4:27:24 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: nysuperdoodle

Apparently it is in the 5th Amendment and sometimes referred to as the “4th Branch of the government”.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2217053/posts?page=18#18

Of course we will have those who want to see America destroyed, as well as those who don’t care enough tell us that we should just ‘grab our ankles’.


14 posted on 03/28/2009 4:28:57 PM PDT by plsjr (<>< "Diversity" = "accept anything, including the worst" Choose the best on its own merits.)
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To: A. Morgan

Nowhere.

He has Executive immunity since the moment he was sworn in as President. It will be like Clinton. He could not be charged because he was the President and all legal actions against him were postponed while he was in office.


15 posted on 03/28/2009 4:32:22 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“He has Executive immunity since the moment he was sworn in as President.”

If he does not meet the constitutional requirements for office then he is NOT president and has no immunity.


16 posted on 03/28/2009 4:40:58 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: nysuperdoodle

Maybe they will issue THE supeona of the Birth Certificate ?

Would be nice to have some Court somewhere ask to see it..


17 posted on 03/28/2009 4:44:38 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: nysuperdoodle

This sounds a bit like “Sovereign Citizen” at play:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1541805/four_men_associated_with_sovereign.html


18 posted on 03/28/2009 4:48:37 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: nysuperdoodle

Here’s more:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/marchforyourcountrycom-launches-informative-web-site,528874.shtml


19 posted on 03/28/2009 4:53:07 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"He has Executive immunity since the moment he was sworn in as President.",

Actually, he is NOT President. Section three of the twentieth amendment plainly states that a "President elect" MUST "qualify" to be President BEFORE being allowed to become President.

"If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

The burden of "qualifying" rest squarely on the President elect or whoever it might be who is seeking the office of President. It does not require some other person to challenge whether or not qualifications exist.

In addition, the matter of "standing" is clearly laid out in the Constitution as well under Article six as pertaining to the oath of office.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Anyone who has taken THIS oath is duty bound to defend and support the Constitution or they are breaking the law. No court can demand that a person break the law by denying them the opportunity to support the law (the Constitution IS the law).

20 posted on 03/28/2009 4:56:34 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: nysuperdoodle

In case you were wondering,March for Your Country.com is long on motivational patriotic material...and a nice clear plea for donations.

Evidently,declining gas prices have limited its “marching orders”.

http://www.marchforyourcountry.com/


21 posted on 03/28/2009 4:59:58 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: mrmeangenes

OH-oh-oh !!

There’s more !!!

http://www.riseupforamerica.com/

Never mind the Constitution, folks: we use the Magna Carta !!


22 posted on 03/28/2009 5:04:56 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: nysuperdoodle

Oh good, the indictment is “sealed”!


23 posted on 03/28/2009 5:08:37 PM PDT by kenavi (Want a real stimulus? Drill!)
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To: mrmeangenes
mrmeangenes wrote:

This is a make-believe grand jury...but,what the heck: run with it !

Pretty much sums it up. A "Common Law Grand Jury."

If you want to convene your own Grand Jury, maybe to indict the Pres__ent's Teleprompter as well, just follow the easy steps outlined at http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/grandjuryrules.htm.

This will go nowhere. The prosecutor they take this to will put it in his automated filing system:


24 posted on 03/28/2009 5:15:45 PM PDT by cc2k (When less than half the voters pay taxes, it's called "taxation without representation.")
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To: nysuperdoodle

It’ll go nowhere even if there is evidence. We can’t have a constitutional disturbance, can we?

http://defendourfreedoms.us/

Let sleeping dogs lie.


25 posted on 03/28/2009 5:38:43 PM PDT by goldi
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To: goldi

“Let sleeping dogs lie.”

Why? The issue of 0bama’s eligibility is a critical Constitutional issue. It deserves a full and complete hearing and, ultimately, resolution.

The courts have, to date, found reasons to deny suits seeking such hearing and resolution. If this exercise in GA gets more heat under the pretender and the activist judges that have abrogated their responsibilities under the Constitution, then that is a very good thing.

I saw a report, earlier, that this question is now getting some reporting in the EU, particularly in Poland. That is also a very good thing.

It’s time to take back the country.


26 posted on 03/28/2009 5:50:38 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: nysuperdoodle

Just keep applying pressure, you never know when a break will come. Someday we actually might find out who this character is.


27 posted on 03/28/2009 6:03:56 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: wintertime

Right you are. Every law suit re; bc, every tea party pokes this sob with a stick. Death by a thousand paper cuts..


28 posted on 03/28/2009 6:28:23 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Uncle Sham

I’m afraid you’re mistaken. The Constitution sets forth the procedure, and if there are no objections, then Congress’s counting of the electoral votes constitutes certifying his eligibility. That’s the legal truth. Legally, there is apparently nothing that can be done unless he’s impeached.

Quite possibly there will be many things for which he could be impeached soon.

The only thing that could change this would be proof that surfaces and is made public that he committed fraud. The problem the accusers have is that they have no evidence.


30 posted on 03/28/2009 6:41:24 PM PDT by Technical Editor
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To: Technical Editor; Uncle Sham
I’m afraid you’re mistaken. The Constitution sets forth the procedure, and if there are no objections, then Congress’s counting of the electoral votes constitutes certifying his eligibility.

Nope. Their certification is only regarding the number of electoral votes cast for him versus anyone else. It doesn't go to any other sort of eligibility, nor can it confer eligibility where it was lacking, even though not verified. You may as well say that if a bank grants you a loan based on fraudulent information supplied by or withheld by you regarding your credit worthiness, the act of granting the loan is in essence stating that no matter what you put on the credit application it has now all been made legit by the bank's decision to extend to you the loan.
31 posted on 03/28/2009 6:47:04 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: nysuperdoodle

Henry County? This should be interesting.


32 posted on 03/28/2009 7:16:14 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Technical Editor
"The Constitution sets forth the procedure"

It does? Quote it from the Constitution for us. If you are talking about the electoral vote counting act of 1877, perhaps you can explain to us how it supports the Constitution by NOT requiring that eligibility qualifications be presented by the President elect. An "act" of Congress cannot override a provision in the U.S. Constitution. It takes an "amendment" to do that. If an act does not support the Constitution, it is "unconstitutional". This is why the electoral vote counting procedure which currently requires that someone raise their hand in objection is unconstitutional. This burden of proof is clearly written into section three of the twentieth amendment as that of the person seeking the office of President.

33 posted on 03/28/2009 7:53:20 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: nysuperdoodle

Coming soon to every small town in America.


34 posted on 03/28/2009 7:57:38 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: nysuperdoodle

This case is beginning to grow legs. Goodbye Obama!


35 posted on 03/29/2009 5:39:25 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: nysuperdoodle

I missed this one entirely in MSNBC.


36 posted on 03/29/2009 6:38:43 AM PDT by AJ in NYC (Liberals are ill-mannered children)
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To: Jim Robinson
I was reading a similar thread which was posted later about the same topic. On that thread someone posted a link to a fascinating article by Larry Donofrio about Grand Juries (my link isn't to the same place but the content is the same or similar). As one of the commenters stated in the blog comments at my link:
What an education I get when I come to this site.
I like to think the same thing about FreeRepublic. (In fact I was thinking of posting a similar thought when I returned to the thread.)

But I could not. When I tried to return, the thread was gone. It had been pulled by the Moderator and the reason given was "Nonsense." While I might agree that the notion that a "runaway" Grand Jury presentment against the President of the United States is not likely to go anywhere, the notion that these quaint institutions established by the Framers, since the great modern thinkers don't like them, are "outmoded" is one of the many things that FreeRepublic ought to be about. Moderators who call such threads, "Nonsense," need remedial training if they are allowed to remain at all.

ML/NJ

37 posted on 03/29/2009 8:06:53 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Good luck with that. The mods seem to get their direction from JimRob.


38 posted on 03/29/2009 3:44:49 PM PDT by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: mrmeangenes
This is a make-believe grand jury...

Yep. I wonder if the people running with this thought through the implications. If this were permissible, could I get 25 of my friends together and start issuing indictments as I please?

39 posted on 03/30/2009 11:14:30 AM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Yeah: just claim authority under the Magna Carta. All the Barons of the Realm are doing that this year.


40 posted on 03/30/2009 1:17:43 PM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: nysuperdoodle

How many people are FINALLY starting to think, why is all this mess still going on? Why doesn’t he just show his birth certificate already?

And I don’t mean to a website.


41 posted on 04/01/2009 2:34:30 AM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: ml/nj

Are you aware that even Leo Donofrio condemns this citizens’ grand jury? The articles he wrote about the power of presentment were written in 2005 to encourage citizens to investigate government corruption after they were sworn in as grand jurors under federal authority. Grand Jurors don’t have to stick to the agenda of prosecutors. They can investigate whatever they dang well please, but only after they’re empaneled by federal authority. Donofrio believes this citizens’ grand jury is illegal and dangerous because the wording they used could get them arrested.

With that said, any rights not outlined in the Constitution and not specifically prohibited by it are reserved to the States and then the people. So, if there were an existing legal framework under which this could be established, it could work. But there isn’t, so it doesn’t.


42 posted on 04/07/2009 10:56:14 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Are you aware that even Leo Donofrio condemns this citizens’ grand jury?

No I am not. Do you have a link you could provide where his thinking about this is provided.

ML/NJ

43 posted on 04/07/2009 11:22:19 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Absolutely.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/04/02/the-georgia-citizens-grand-jury-must-be-condemned/


44 posted on 04/07/2009 12:13:35 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Thanks for the link. I pretty much stand by my comments where I tried to say that I found Donofrio's discussion of the presentments clause in the fifth amendment highly educational. I'm not sure I agree with Donofrio that this clause has no relevance to the President because there is some other Constitutional way remove him from office. I do agree that the Georgia bunch may not be the ones to bring this forward.

ML/NJ

45 posted on 04/07/2009 2:52:23 PM PDT by ml/nj
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