Americangrandjury.org - Grand Jury's, 5th Amendment & Activism

American Grand Jury ^ | 4/2/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

Americangrandjury.org

" Please take a moment to read this: This website has a specific purpose in mind. AmericanGrandJury.org can HELP YOU if are looking to start, organize and manage a Citizen's Grand Jury.

Grand Jury, History, Powers
http://americangrandjury.org/history_power.html

Grand Jury Evidence, Rules, Indictments
http://americangrandjury.org/grand-jury-evidence-rules-indictments

Grand Jury Forms and Etiquette
http://americangrandjury.org/grand-jury-forms-and-etiquette "

Bill of Rights
Amendment V

" No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Snips from: http://americangrandjury.org/

" Now at first glance you may not grasp what the Founding Fathers are granting here. You will probably understand that in a major criminal case you must be indicted by a Grand Jury before you can be tried. But step outside the box and really think about it. What exactly comprises a Grand Jury? In this Country it is 25 of your peers, or better said, 25 independent citizens. The citizens that hand down a presentment or indictment in Grand Juries are NOT public or government officials. The Grand Jury is an independent body of people empowered by the Constitution. They alone, NOT the government, can make the presentment or indictment. So what does that say? In simple terms, it vests the power of the Grand Jury with the people, not with any of the 3 Branches of Government.

Before we go further you should be aware there is always some dark side trying to suppress us. In 1946, the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure were adopted, codifying what had previously been a vastly divergent set of common law procedural rules and regional customs. Long story short, the Legislature said,

..provided no outlet for any document other than a prosecutor-signed indictment.

…on the term presentment as used in the Fifth Amendment. It was his conclusion that the term should not be used in the new rules of criminal procedure…

It has become the practice for the United States Attorney to attend grand jury hearings, hence the use of presentments have been abandoned.

So bummer, it looks like only the Federal Proscecutor can sign-off on a Grand Jury indictment and independent “presentments” are no longer allowed. Nope! The Constitution does not say that. The FRCP rules are just that, they are rules to conduct legal proceedings by. They do NOT have the power of the Constitution. No law or rule can circumvent the Constitution unless we allow these sneaky Legislators to get away with it. The Constitution is the final law of the land. Unless the Constitution is amended by a 2/3rds majority vote of both the House and the Senate, the 5th Amendment still speaks loud and clear."

 

found via: http://www.riseupforamerica.com/ (GA Indictment against Barack Hussein Obama)

[rxsid]

Constitutional activism.

[Melas]

And when your citizens grand jury indictment is ignored what then? Citizen prosecutors before an unrecognized judge who sends you to an unrecognized prison? Sounds a lot like Rawanda. Reasonable people will pass on this nonsense.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Constitutional activism.

Pandora's Box.

[rxsid]

This is one of many efforts to get national attention on this issue.

"In a Nutshell":

1. Bring national attention to the matter (i.e. Midstream Media)
then
2. As a result of #1, bring pressure on Congress to take action on this matter. After all ... 2010 is just around the corner.

IMO, #2 will never happen unless #1 happens first. The 'challenge', is to get #1 to happen.

If 'the nation' is talking about this, and it's showing up on the nightly news on a regular basis...Congress can not and will not ignore it. In the end, they are politicians too who are looking out for themselves (i.e. 2010, 2012).

While it's true that if he were to be 'found' to be ineligible, that Impeachment probably wouldn't be in play here as...Impeachment is specific to POTUS, that is someone legally holding that office. However, there are other ways Congress could 'force' the issue or put so much pressure on Barry that he steps down (i.e. Nixon).

Outside of Congressional action as a direct result of public outcry (shown via mass media)...the courts and A.G.'s will never do a thing with this eligibility crisis, IMO. There too much pressure on them to do nothing. The politicians trample on our Constitution on a daily basis. Why not Article II section 1 as well.

It's all about the media at this point.

[devistate one four]

But you can’t say citizens, you must say people

[devistate one four]

There is 50 states and that means ther should be a minimum of 50 grand juries to indite. How can all this be denied?

[Oldpuppymax]

Want to get national attention and actually accomplish something? Join 20 million armed people marching on DC the day after Hussein has overturned the 2nd amendment.

[rxsid]

"Want to get national attention and actually accomplish something? Join 20 million armed people marching on DC the day after Hussein has overturned the 2nd amendment."

While indeed a great idea, as we know the chances of a 'march' like that happening are less (not impossible, but less) than 25 Citizen Grand Jury's from numerous states doing what GA did.

Either way, national attention is what's required to bring about action on this... outside of the conservative web sites, a few 1 hour programs on a few conservative radio shows, and occasional left wing site ridicule of the issue.

[rxsid]

"There is 50 states and that means ther should be a minimum of 50 grand juries to indite. How can all this be denied?"

That's the point. Bring enough attention to this issue that it is no longer ignored or denied by the mid-stream media.

Make it a big enough issue, with enough citizen activism that eventually the more conservative big media outlets report on it. Hannity, Rush and Savage (more than twice) on the radio. Then, the more conservative on the T.V. (what little there are) will begin to talk about it. Then, the MSM and papers. Congress couldn't ignore it at that point.

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Commentary

[rxsid]

"Constitutional activism. Pandora's Box."

It's what the founders practiced by giving us the Bill of Rights. :)

I'm assuming your referring to the kind of activism that would broaden gov't powers and weaken individual rights. That, IMO, is an oxymoron to 'Constitutional' activism.

[rxsid]

The 5th amendment doesn't specify a Grand Jury is mandated to be a 'Federal' Grand Jury that is put together by a prosecutor. The 5th Amendment simply states 'Grand Jury.'

From what has been posted, it appears that they have given their presentment of an indictment to prosecutors. At this point, it's simply a presentment.

Now, if the prosecutor's decide to take action on that presentment (remains to be seen), then they will. If they don't take action...then the presentment remains just that...a presentment.

It's basically a criminal 'complaint' based on their notarized testimony and Grand Jury proceedings. What becomes of it is entirely up to the GA congresspeople and or the GA prosecutors.

There were citizen grand jury's formed regarding the 9/11 'truther' issues. However, no prosecutor took action on anything they did (so far as I know).

[devistate one four]

I only hope and pray this works.

My gut says this usurper guilty.