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Pastor Rick Warren: "I Am Not An Anti-Gay Marriage Activist" (Video)
http://conservativexpress.blogspot.com/2009/04/pastor-rick-warren-i-am-not-anti-gay.html ^ | 4/6/09

Posted on 04/06/2009 7:56:09 PM PDT by DrGop0821

In his first interview since Inauguration Day, Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren tells Larry King that is a misconception that he is an "Anti-Gay Marriage Activist". He adds that he never took a stance on California's Prop 8 Same-Sex Marriage debate and he doesn't concern himself with things like Iowa's recent Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lkl; pastor; prop8; rickwarren; saddleback; samesexmarriage; wimp

1 posted on 04/06/2009 7:56:10 PM PDT by DrGop0821
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To: DrGop0821

I suspected he voted for Obama. Now I know.


2 posted on 04/06/2009 7:58:17 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: DrGop0821

Ironic that the man who made millions off a book called “The Purpose Driven Life” serves no useful purpose in real life.


3 posted on 04/06/2009 7:58:31 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: DrGop0821

Sad...He should be.


4 posted on 04/06/2009 8:02:50 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Texas Eagle

He is a con man and huckster who ripped off Christians. Phony ba*tard.

This fraud should go back to his Brokeback Church.


5 posted on 04/06/2009 8:03:55 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: DrGop0821

“Big Box churches.” Not interested.


6 posted on 04/06/2009 8:07:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (So Orwell was off by 25 years! So what!)
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To: DrGop0821

Of course he’s not an anti-gay person but as far as the gay mafia in concerned anyone who does not support their causes is to be targeted for destruction. One can read all about these people in the 2nd half of Romans 1.


7 posted on 04/06/2009 8:13:35 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: DrGop0821
Just watched it. RW said, “I wrote to all my gay friends...and apologized to them...” What did he apologize for? That he told his congregation that he thinks marriage should be defined as being between a man and a woman. Then he starts blathering on about Rwanda.

Wow. What a total sell-out. I predict RW just slit the throat of the Saddleback Church.

8 posted on 04/06/2009 8:14:14 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Big_Monkey

Warren said he voted for John McVain.


9 posted on 04/06/2009 8:14:20 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
"Warren said he voted for John McVain.

I've also heard Warren say that marriage was between one man and one woman. Apparently, Rick bends whichever way the wind blows. IMHO.

10 posted on 04/06/2009 8:16:20 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: DrGop0821

Rick Warren, a phony and a fraud?


11 posted on 04/06/2009 8:16:57 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’ll get smaller. Not that big to begin with.


12 posted on 04/06/2009 8:21:30 PM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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To: Texas Eagle

Very true. This guy is a media hound and doesn’t deserve a moment of serious attention. I’d rather hear what Paris Hilton has to say.


13 posted on 04/06/2009 8:21:44 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: DrGop0821

Considering homosexuals don’t inherit the kingdom of God, I love my fellow man enough, including homosexuals, to tell them up front, that their gay lifestyle is completely antichristian and unless they have faith alone in Christ alone, will find themselves standing before a Great White Throne Judgment prior to a second death, being cast in the lake of Fire for all eternity future.

The issue has nothing to do with morality, because all sin has already been paid for on the Cross. Rather, it has everything to do with how God has created man in His image and if we seek to live as by what God has provided, homosexuality simply interferes, distracts, and interrupts the walk with God available to all men through faith in Christ.

It doesn’t serve me for any homosexual to be converted by anything I say, rather the issue is for any man, no matter what their sin, to be converted by God the Holy Spirit by what He has provided.

God Bless and Thank You Lord!


14 posted on 04/06/2009 8:21:53 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: DrGop0821

Rick Warren is a Pastor, not an Anti-Gay Marriage Activist.

I take it some here want the guy who shepherds their family to be a political Anti-Gay Marriage Activist and not a Pastor. Very strange.

I am not an Anti-Gay Marriage Activist either, and understand that all sin is sin. The worst sin is my sin but thankfully God has dealt with sin and was and still is fully satisfied with His Son’s sacrifice on the cross for all sin.

Some Christians and a few denominations are focused on what they are against instead of Who they are for. I will stick with the latter.

As for homosexuality and gay marriage, your sin does not impress God either!

Note: Rick Warren has already said he is against gay marriage but has more important things as a Pastor to concentrate on. Good for him!

Now for all those that think Pastors and every heterosexual should be an Anti-Gay Marriage Activist. Tell us your history of anti-gay marriage activism.


15 posted on 04/06/2009 8:37:23 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

that is the problem with the ‘gay movement’, it is all about money and lobbying with them. In reality, if they didn’t go out of their way to throw their lifestyles in everyone’s face, nobody would care and the only way they can make millions to support their rights is to make themselves look oppressed and victimized by making themselves look like fools. The lobbyists and ‘role models’ for that movement are millionaires and push their agenda to elicit guilt from people and make money for a cause that is created by pushing their lifestyle on the public because they know people disagree with it. It is pathetic but in my opinion it is about money not about equal rights. I am not religious or necessarily anti gay but if people are going to provoke others by behaving a certain way because of their insecurity and claim to be proud of themselves, then they deserve to get knocked down to size, in my opinion.


16 posted on 04/06/2009 8:42:14 PM PDT by mspen1018
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To: DrGop0821
Pastor Rick Warren: "I Am Not An Anti-Gay Marriage Activist"

Hmmm, does he own a donkey? Cause if he did it might be getting ready to talk.

17 posted on 04/06/2009 8:50:41 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: DrGop0821
...he never took a stance on California's Prop 8 Same-Sex Marriage debate and he doesn't concern himself with things like Iowa's recent Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage.

I think it's time to update my Rick Warren political primer.

18 posted on 04/06/2009 8:51:35 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Presbyterians often forget that John Knox had been a Sunday bowler.)
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To: DrGop0821

Rick Warren,

A wannabe Christian.


19 posted on 04/06/2009 11:14:24 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: free_life

He’s not a warrior for Christ if he has better things to do than fight sin when he sees it.

Hate the sin love the sinner.... stand your ground... be consistent in your message.


20 posted on 04/06/2009 11:17:34 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: free_life
Note: Rick Warren has already said he is against gay marriage but has more important things as a Pastor to concentrate on. Good for him!

Too bad God's word does not agree with Warren's lasez-faire attitude about a sin that God calls an Abomination, not just a sin.

His attitude lacks God's righteous anger against all sin, and especially against what God calls an abomination.

His phraseology of his statements leads everyone to believe that he is soft on this issue. He knows, We know it, and the sinners trapped in this disease of a sin know it too.

Poor representative of Christ!
21 posted on 04/06/2009 11:18:31 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: DrGop0821

If Warren can’t support Biblical marriage, he is utterly worthless.


22 posted on 04/06/2009 11:22:53 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Texas Eagle
No, no, that's "The Profit-Driven Church" /sarc>

Some of the mega-churchers appear to have confused St. Paul's "Do not despise prophecy" with "Do not despise profitability"...

Cheers!

23 posted on 04/07/2009 3:01:51 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: antceecee

Fight sin? Christ has already dealt with it! What are you fighting?

Better things for a Christian to do = Let your life glorify God - Love God - Love others - share the gospel with the lost (including homosexuals) - help the least of these .......

fight sin....don’t need to, Jesus has already won that battle for me.


24 posted on 04/07/2009 10:28:40 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Ironic that the man who made millions off a book called “The Purpose Driven Life” serves no useful purpose in real life.

Ironic..
No, Pathetic.

Sell-out.


25 posted on 04/07/2009 10:32:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: SoConPubbie

God’s anger was poured out of His Son on the cross.

Just what sin did Jesus miss dying for?

This isn’t Christianity you are speaking of, it is carnal religious judgment by the power of man not God.


26 posted on 04/07/2009 11:35:55 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

Jesus said REPENT and Believe, not just Believe and you are saved.

Unless God’s annoited pastors, which I doubt Warren is, first preach Repentence, there will be no saving faith.

Or in other words, unless you know you are totally undone and incapable of helping yourself first, you will never have saving faith.

You cannot have one without the other.

BTW, it is not carnal religious judgement, but the righteous judgement and wrath of God, which requires the sacrifice of Jesus to remove. Man’s part is Repentence and Faith. The preacher’s responsibility is to ensure that the full gospel of repentence AND faith is delivered.


27 posted on 04/07/2009 11:54:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: DrGop0821

FEAR.


28 posted on 04/07/2009 11:57:03 AM PDT by roses of sharon (Pray Hussein fails!)
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To: DrGop0821
FTA:He adds that he never took a stance on California's Prop 8 Same-Sex Marriage debate and he doesn't concern himself with things like Iowa's recent Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay marriage.

Rick Warren is a liar.

Rick Warren Endorses Prop 8 (^) YouTube.

Sorry about the source channel on YouTube. It is the only place I could find this video.

You can be pro-gay marriage. You can be anti-gay marriage. YOu cannot be both pro-and-anti gay marriage, though.

29 posted on 04/07/2009 4:39:18 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Hey, Kids! It's the new Mitt Romney! Collect the whole set!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Repentance comes by the kindness of God, not the condemnation of man. I know there is another thing too often called repentance that some use to ignore there own sin and their great need for the mercy of God while beating others over the head with this man made repentance club. I fear for their salvation knowing how wide spread it has become. It sounds so right to their ears but having not the love of God they have nothing.

The Pharisees practiced just this kind of condemnation wrapped in judgment, they also called it repentance, it wasn’t, it was pride and hypocrisy?

Christians are ambassadors of reconciliation not accusers of the brethren. There are those that call themselves Christians though they practice the latter.


30 posted on 04/07/2009 5:40:57 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

You are misguided. Christ gave man a path to salvation through the way of the Cross.
Sin is ever present in this world and has not been mitigated by Christ’s sacrifice. Satan is very much of this world and each man is not saved by the act of Christ, but each man has an opportunity to save himself through the Lamb of God. Christ encourages us all to follow Him. He does not encourage to follow Him and continue to sin.
Pastors like Warren should be ministering to their flock, encouraging them to follow the ‘way’ of Christ.

I think I did mention love the sinner, hate the sin?
Don’t understand your comment about loving others including homosexuals... do you know how to read, or do you do so selectively?
Jesus gave you a way to salvation. Follow His path and you will be saved. Interpreting his path to mean whatever you think it should may make you feel you’ve ‘won the battle’, but belies the message of Christ.


31 posted on 04/07/2009 9:46:21 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: DrGop0821

What a SHYSTER!

“I never... I didn’t .... I’m not.... I don’t...”

Mark my words, this man will be brought down.


32 posted on 04/07/2009 10:51:54 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

It’s a sad thing...I think he meant well, but is doing more harm than good.
He needs to go back to the basic tenets of his faith in Christ.

I don’t think Rick is a charlatan, but I think he may perhaps identify with Obama (a man who is in wayyyyyy over his pay grade).


33 posted on 04/08/2009 12:35:42 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: free_life
Repentance comes by the kindness of God, not the condemnation of man. I know there is another thing too often called repentance that some use to ignore there own sin and their great need for the mercy of God while beating others over the head with this man made repentance club. I fear for their salvation knowing how wide spread it has become. It sounds so right to their ears but having not the love of God they have nothing.

You need to reread your bible. Both Jesus and the Apostles spent half of their time preaching about, and rebuking sin. This idea of "Loving them into the kingdom" has been shown to be ineffective and frankly, is counter to the spirit of Jesus's ministry. It is philosophical sophistry designed to put peoples butts in the pews and does little to save their souls.

You would also do good to study the revivals of the 1600's, 1700's and 1800's which led to the salvation of millions of souls. These preachers did not have your opinion about condemning sin, in fact, the Holy Spirit led them in this process of condemning sin, not the sinner, to help actually save millions.

Read the stories and works of John Wesley, Charles Wesley, Whitefield, and others and what you will find is that they continuously attacked the sin in peoples' lives because as I state earlier, without the knowledge of sin, there is no repentence, and without repentence, there is no faith, and without faith, there is no real and lasting salvation and change of heart from sin to holiness, only a mental assertian to a set of beliefs.

Yes repentence comes from the love of God as all gifts of God do, but you downplay both Repentence and Conviction to the danger of not only your own soul but those the Grace of God allows you to interact with.
34 posted on 04/08/2009 6:52:58 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: DrGop0821

He is totally Representative of what Christianity in the US has become today. Almost every so called Christian leader has imbibed the whole Marxist, socialist egalitarian mindset and are willing to do whatever it takes to destroy all vestiges of any opposition to it. They are in bed with the government and the worldwide push for globalism and the “New World Order” Certainly not a new battle. Just further proof that like Liberty and our way of life it requires constant vigilance and participation to protect it all.


35 posted on 04/08/2009 7:01:26 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SoConPubbie

Warren said he was not an Anti-Gay Marriage Activist and has said he is against gay marriage. Both statements are consistent with love the sinner (as Jesus taught) and hate the sin (which Jesus also taught).

God brings men to repentance not you by telling sinners they are sinners. They already know they are sinners. Jesus taught us to love them and if we don’t we have nothing and are useless in the kingdom of god. You reread your bible because you are in opposition to a Pastor appointed by Jesus Christ and the spin here reveals the hearts of those spinning and attacking him.

The men you speak of like Wesley preached the need of God in peoples lives so they would turn from their sinful ways (repentance) to a loving and forgiving God. Not the other way around, that they can get good enough to to earn salvation ( man powered and centered Pharisee hypocritical repentance)! Are you a Jehovah’s Witness or Catholic maybe? I have not omitted the need for repentance but have given biblical truth of where it comes from, which is not the condemnations of men as you continue to preach here.

You are not preaching repentance you are preaching condemnation and if you cannot see the difference it is you who is in danger of not only your own soul but those the Grace of God allows you to interact with. You want God’s mercy, give mercy. Joining the Warren attack dogs here is not a sign of the fruit of mercy. Denomination theological based attacks of a brother in Christ do not go unnoticed by the Lord. And that is what this is really about. I am aware of what is preached from the pulpits of certain denominations against the the Brethren like Pastor Warren.

So lets get to the heart of this. What sin is Rick Warren committing that you feel the need to dismiss him as man of God, let alone publicly attack him for saying he is not a Anti-Gay Marriage Activist?

And are you an Anti-Gay Marriage Activist?

Myself I will continue to win people to Christ including homosexuals while in awe of God’s kindness as he leads them to repentance seeing them turn from the bondage of sin to a merciful, forgiving and loving God, Who died for them. How about you? Or are you too busy accusing the Brethren?


36 posted on 04/08/2009 9:22:54 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: antceecee

Your last post to me is just rambling and makes little sense.

You say, “each man has the opportunity to save himself through the Lamb of God.” Are you saved? I ask because that is a confused statement you make if they have Christ. Jesus Christ chose me, I did not choose Him. He saves, I have received His gift of salvation. Not sure what you are preaching, it is confusing.

Anyways enjoy your attacks on a man of God while you can, that will be fleeting ....and I don’t see how someone with the Holy Spirit living in them and being led by the Spirit of God would enjoy that or even do that.


37 posted on 04/08/2009 9:30:34 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
The men you speak of like Wesley preached the need of God in peoples lives so they would turn from their sinful ways (repentance) to a loving and forgiving God. Not the other way around, that they can get good enough to to earn salvation ( man powered and centered Pharisee hypocritical repentance)! Are you a Jehovah’s Witness or Catholic maybe? I have not omitted the need for repentance but have given biblical truth of where it comes from, which is not the condemnations of men as you continue to preach here.

You've mis-characterized what I have posted.

Nothing in what I have posted was meant, and I do believe it cannot logically be construed as, supporting the idea that I would ever support the idea of "Not the other way around, that they can get good enough to to earn salvation ( man powered and centered Pharisee hypocritical repentance)! ".

Reread carefully what I have posted.

Salvation ( a total reformation of both outward actions and a change of heart) cannot be acheived if a man/woman does not Repent AND Believe. Both repentence and faith, if real, is given as a gift from God, but man has a choice in the manner and it is that choice that is Man's only work in the salvation process.

My point of disagreement with you and Warren, is that the Repentence end of the salvation process is never emphasized as much as is needed and as is required by the Gospel account and that instead, we focus on a bastardized philosophical version of the Gospel that is best characterized as "Loving them into the Kingdom" to either the full or partial exclusion or de-emphasis of Repentence.

The sad thing is, that the Rebuking of Sin, which many of today's pastor try to downplay, is one of the surest signs of God's Love in the actions of a real Christian.
38 posted on 04/08/2009 10:02:41 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: free_life
Using the judgment club is dangerous because we ARE to judge our own. We are to be accountable to one another.

Luke 17:3
"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

We are also to use discernment to judge the truth and Godliness of a teacher.

39 posted on 04/08/2009 10:15:40 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: free_life

Your understanding of Christ’s sacrifice aside, since when is questioning the actions of a Pastor an ‘attack’?
Rick Warren may call himself a man of God, but that is something that will ultimately be judged by God.


40 posted on 04/08/2009 10:26:49 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: DrGop0821

The “I’m not an Anti-Gay Marriage Activist” part I’m okay with.

The part where he denies (lies?) about supporting/not supporting Prop 8 and spins and twists about the importance/non-importance of defending marriage is deeply troubling.

But I’m not surprised... I often read statements by Mr. Warren that are both confused and confusing.

jw


41 posted on 04/08/2009 10:34:44 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: JWinNC
This isn't activism? LOL

Rick Warren Endorses Prop 8

42 posted on 04/08/2009 10:45:11 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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