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Has the Right surrendered in the culture war?
The Washington Examiner ^ | 04-09-2009 | Chris Stirewalt

Posted on 04/09/2009 11:05:24 AM PDT by lifeisacarnival

The resurgence of traditional Christian mores and culture that began in the late 1970s has ended.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


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KEYWORDS: culture; gay; samesex; war
I'm not sure if I agree with this guy, or if he's just been swamped in bad media. . . The mainstream media has always sought the death of the Religious Right and Culture Wars, but somehow they continue.
1 posted on 04/09/2009 11:05:25 AM PDT by lifeisacarnival
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To: lifeisacarnival

That’s what the left wants people to believe. They’ll have a rude awakening one of these days. Hopefully sooner than later.


2 posted on 04/09/2009 11:07:50 AM PDT by RC2
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To: lifeisacarnival

They been outvoted and outmaneuvered, since the “culture” has left them behind...


Since Obama has mentioned that we are no longer a Christian nation, I have posted this here, on Free Republic, several times — that the election of Obama is God’s judgment upon this nation...

A quote from a website (just general information...)

Abington Township School District v. Schempp — decided on June 17, 1963 — was the second so-called “school prayer” decision (the first came a year earlier in Engel v. Vitale). But it was the most far-reaching — prohibiting school officials from organizing or leading prayers and devotional Bible reading in public schools.

It’s been a long time since then, and I remember the time “before” and “after” for prayer and studying things of the Bible in school. For example, there was a time when, as a student, that I was given an assignment to learn and memorize a certain Psalm in school, as part of my school “homework” and assignment, to be recited in class.

And then, shortly afterwards, there was *nothing* any more of the Bible or Psalms or prayers or anything of God...

I would mark the time that we stopped being a Christian nation from that time (definitely so) forward.

God had given us over 40 years to “change things” but we haven’t and so now we have the “judgment of God” in the form and nature of Obama, designed specifically to *destroy the nation*...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2224811/posts?page=27#27


3 posted on 04/09/2009 11:08:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: lifeisacarnival

I remember when God was “dead”. Turned out, he was just spending time with all the souls of murdered, unborn babies.


4 posted on 04/09/2009 11:09:35 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Star Traveler

xactly - it’s like I keep saying - while Bambi is a problem, the real issue is our deluded fellow countrymen.


5 posted on 04/09/2009 11:10:16 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: lifeisacarnival

Some have, I suppose. The Cal Tomases, the Rick Warren’s, and their ilk. Not most of us. Those who ask the question should turn up at their local Tea Parties on April 15th...


6 posted on 04/09/2009 11:10:24 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: lifeisacarnival

America elected Barack Hussein Obama. We’re in very bad shape.


7 posted on 04/09/2009 11:11:52 AM PDT by donna (Sheriff Dept watch: http://www.firecoalition.com/article/index.asp?type=announce&id=111)
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To: donna
Yep. The media lied. Obama lied. Half of Americans cannot recognize TRUTH from LIES.
8 posted on 04/09/2009 11:15:54 AM PDT by ryan71 (Time to buy guns and ammo, People.)
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To: lifeisacarnival
The "Right" lost the culture war more than 40 years ago.

I'd say that circa Liberty Valance [1962] was about the last era that the "Right" had any influence over the culture.

By the mid-1960s, the "War" was completely lost.

The problem for the "Right" was that they were so gullible and so naive and so trusting in people that they never even realized that there had been a "War", much less that they had lost it.

9 posted on 04/09/2009 11:15:59 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: lifeisacarnival
The article is pure bunk.

It simply points up how out of touch with reality the MSM is.

10 posted on 04/09/2009 11:18:16 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Why the hell is the best damned dance song ever written titled, "Sing, Sing, Sing"?)
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To: lifeisacarnival

The left is DESPERATLY pushing this meme.

Meghan mccain was on TV last night (cnn) proudly pushing the homosexual marriage mantra.

CNN just prior had the christians have hijacked the republican party.

It is all about trying to make christianity VERBOTEN in political discourse. OR to be a christian is to be discredited before you open your mouth.

It is coordinated and orwellian.

christian = thoughtcrime.


11 posted on 04/09/2009 11:18:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: lifeisacarnival

Almost anything written by a press monkey has to be filtered through your own common sense lenses.

The Soulless Left has almost complete control of the news media, the entertainment media, and the public education system. Victory looks certain to them, and they are claiming it.

But the fight is not over, not at my house. I’ve turned off the Soulless Left’s news media years ago, I don’t watch their entertainment programming, the grandkids have been in private school for the last half dozen years. The church we are in keeps knocking out walls to make room for more people, so I know its not just us, and I think other churches in town are seeing the same thing.


12 posted on 04/09/2009 11:19:33 AM PDT by marron
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To: lifeisacarnival

Homeschooling movement is stronger than ever and growing.
Homeschooling families are LARGE.
Homeschooling families have multigenerational vision.

Homeschooling will be the next target of the left.


13 posted on 04/09/2009 11:20:15 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: lifeisacarnival
Are schools having an Easter vacation or a spring break? Has Santa Claus replaced the Nativity? Are we celebrating the resurrection of Jesus or the spring bunny? Is gay marriage happening?
14 posted on 04/09/2009 11:21:58 AM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Star Traveler

Religion has no place in Public School!!!!!

That is way there should not be a ‘Public School’.


15 posted on 04/09/2009 11:22:14 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Yes, that’s so true. We have to realize that the real and basic and foundational problem comes back to our own citizens. And there is where the problem really must be solved.

I like to say, at times, that the problem would also be solved quite easily if Christians simply made more Christians (i.e., got serious about proclaiming the Gospel to everyone possible and always did so...). Then the politics would take care of themsevles...


16 posted on 04/09/2009 11:24:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: lifeisacarnival

The “Right”, no. Republicans, yes.


17 posted on 04/09/2009 11:25:19 AM PDT by Obadiah (Party - my house - on December 22, 2012!)
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To: lifeisacarnival

No, but the RINOs have.


18 posted on 04/09/2009 11:25:21 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Star Traveler

Yep - the fields are white unto harvest.


19 posted on 04/09/2009 11:26:16 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Unassuaged

You said — Religion has no place in Public School!!!!!

Ummm... the first public school textbook authorized by our country was, very simply, the Bible... :-)

And since that time, we’ve come a long ways in getting God and the Bible “out of the public schools”...


20 posted on 04/09/2009 11:26:24 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: lifeisacarnival

The GOP gave up. The MSM has taken sides solidly to the point where other views are ignored.


21 posted on 04/09/2009 11:26:24 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: ex-snook
Are schools having an Easter vacation or a spring break?
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Drive through Utah during Christmas and **all** the school signs say “Winter Break”!

This is **UTAH** of all places! Geeze! Even in Mormon Utah where some communities are 95%plus Mormon are cowled into using secularist language.

My husband and I like to ski in Utah, and even here we see the encroachment of the Progressive-Marxist influences.

(Yes, I am shouting. I am exasperated!)

22 posted on 04/09/2009 11:29:36 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Star Traveler

Well, my thought is that we need to get public(government) schools out of the US.


23 posted on 04/09/2009 11:32:00 AM PDT by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: lifeisacarnival

Things look bleak right now, but whether we’re winning or losing I will never give up the fight. We may ultimately lose, but I’ll never surrender.

We’re about to take Pregnancy Care Centers which have traditionally been in the suburbs and place them in the innercity, where minorities and college students, those most affected, reside.

Remember, God is in control.


24 posted on 04/09/2009 11:33:32 AM PDT by almcbean
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To: Star Traveler
I like to say, at times, that the problem would also be solved quite easily if Christians simply made more Christians (i.e., got serious about proclaiming the Gospel to everyone possible and always did so...). Then the politics would take care of themsevles...

That actually is the answer.

Take care of the fundamentals and the politics will take care of themselves.

25 posted on 04/09/2009 11:34:20 AM PDT by marron
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To: lifeisacarnival

We are allowing the pursuit of perfection be the enemy of the good.

The Libs absolutely love it.


26 posted on 04/09/2009 11:35:16 AM PDT by NoLibZone (PROUD to be a part of the minority in our current culture. / Obama bows to the ruler of Mecca.)
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To: Unassuaged

You said — Well, my thought is that we need to get public(government) schools out of the US.

Well, maybe, but it was different in the beginning, though...


The Bible: The Foundation of Liberty
By Paul Strand
CBN News
April 29, 2007

CBNNews.com - CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. - The Bible was American children’s first textbook. And most textbooks for centuries after were Bible-based.

In fact, in this age where many think that the Founding Fathers wanted a high wall of separation between church and state, it’s surprising to see how much the Bible was at the root of almost everything that made America free, well-educated and prosperous.

Right from the start of America’s history, the Bible has been in the thick of things.

Stephen McDowell from the Biblical Worldview University, said, “The Bible was the most central influence in the beginning, birth, growth and development of the United States — in education, government, law — in every area.” 

McDowell and Mark Beliles of the Providence Foundation co-authored America’s Providential History, where they present the facts of this overwhelming influence.

The authors say that the Founding Fathers found knowledge of the Bible absolutely vital.

Beliles said, “Many, in fact, who were lawyers actually first went and got theological degrees, because they understood the need to know biblical ideas of law.”

“The very laws and constitutions were written and drawn from the Scriptures,” said McDowell.

Patriot Patrick Henry stated, “the Bible is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed.”

Congress found the Bible so important, it even printed it for the American people back in 1782.

When George Washington was inaugurated, he didn’t just swear on the Bible.

“But he actually kneeled before it and kissed it,” said Beliles.

Thomas Jefferson these days is seen as a Deist who wanted to erect a high wall between church and state.

But Beliles said that Jefferson filled The Declaration of Independence with biblical concepts.

“He refers to our Creator as the source of our rights and liberties,” Beliles explained.

Beliles and McDowell took us to the courthouse in Jefferson’s hometown, Charlottesville, Virginia, where the young lawyer helped set up a church right inside that government building in 1777.

“Thomas Jefferson himself called it ‘the common temple,’” said Belilies

President Jefferson jotted down notes that he thought would be helpful to convert Indians to Christianity.

And he commanded that federal resources be used in that effort.

It’s also evident that Jefferson wasn’t afraid to mix religion and state as you walk the grounds of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, a college designed by Jefferson himself.

Even there, at the center of one of America’s most prominent public universities, inscribed on a building, are the biblical words: ‘The truth shall set you free’ — a concept of particular significance to the Founding Fathers.

That’s because they believed that no one could be truly free without knowing the God who makes men free.

Beliles said, “And they understood that where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”

“The founders of America realized that true religion was the foundation for liberty,” said McDowell.

The founders believed that the Bible laid out most clearly what’s right and wrong, and with that moral foundation, a people could govern themselves.

Without such self-control, their freedom would have to be curtailed and government would need to control them.

“The principles of the Bible are the groundwork of human freedom,” stated newspaper publisher Horace Greeley.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court wrote in 1824, “No free government now exists in the world unless where Christianity is acknowledged and is the religion of the country.”

McDowell says that even America’s prosperous economy can be traced to the Word.

“Our economic philosophy, principles of individual enterprise, benefiting from the fruit of your labor and the concept of wanting to labor hard,” McDowell said, “all are rooted in the Bible.”

Charles Carroll, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, explained that Christianity gave men a sublime and pure morality and that “without morals, a republic cannot subsist any length of time.”

That’s why Benjamin Rush, another prominent signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote “the only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty.”

And that’s why American education began with the Bible.

The colonists believed that Satan wanted to keep people ignorant of what’s in the Scriptures and how it could set them free. So to battle that, the colonists passed what’s called “the Old Deluder Law” of 1647, establishing the first common schools.

And at the start, the Bible was the only textbook, since it was the only book every home and school were sure to have.

Then the Pilgrims and Puritans began to print for students what are known as “hornbooks.”

McDowell said, “And what it has is an alphabet around the edges, some syllables, then the invocation of the Trinity: ‘In the name of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, Amen,’ and then the Lord’s Prayer.”

In 1690 came the first printing of The Primer, a school book some call the most influential in American history, because it shaped the thinking of the Founding Fathers.

And you can see how Bible-based it was just from the way it taught the alphabet:

“C: Christ crucified for sinners died. D: the Deluge drowned the earth around, and on and on,” said McDowell.

Then came Noah Webster, most famous for Webster’s dictionary, but also enormously influential in education because of his Blue-backed Speller.

From 1783 on, Americans bought more than one hundred-million copies of the little book, which contained sentences like:

“God governs the world in His infinite wisdom. The Bible teaches us that it is our duty to worship Him,” explained McDowell.

But after that came the school books that would dominate the nation almost up to the modern era —The McGuffey Readers, with 122 million copies sold across 75 years, from the 1800s into the 1900s.

For this, William McGuffey was dubbed “the Schoolmaster of the Nation.”

We met with McDowell right outside the Virginia school building where McGuffey taught for decades.

He told us that McGuffey leaned heavily on the Scriptures to shape the minds and character of generations of young Americans, as McGuffey himself mentioned in the preface to one of his readers:

McDowell read, “From no source has the author drawn more copiously in his selections than from the sacred Scriptures.”

McDowell also showed us the first history book used in the schools, published in 1818. Its author, Frederick Butler, wrote in it, “What is the use of history? To expand the mind of man and to lead it up to God as the great Author, Preserver and Governor of all things.”

Today, almost all this has been stripped away from the public schools.

And now, much of the country’s youth are biblically illiterate.

One out of 10 think that Joan of Arc was Noah’s wife.

Only one out of three can name the four Gospels.

And 50 percent of today’s high school seniors think Sodom and Gomorrah were a married couple.

And with secular beliefs replacing scriptural doctrines, today it’s widely assumed that man stands atop the evolutionary ladder, proud master of his own fate — free from having to answer to anyone.

Many Americans today seem to think that the path to freedom is to be free of God and the command of His holy Scriptures.

But the Founding Fathers believed that the only true freedom comes from knowing this God and knowing His holy Word.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/143661.aspx


27 posted on 04/09/2009 11:36:31 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: lifeisacarnival

Just the RINO’s have


28 posted on 04/09/2009 11:38:58 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... protege of the unholy union of Karl Marx and affirmative action)
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To: wintertime
"Drive through Utah during Christmas and **all** the school signs say “Winter Break”!"

Some are just noticing that the culture war was abandoned. Now the right has been reduced to being identified with tax cuts, free trade and interventionism.

29 posted on 04/09/2009 11:38:58 AM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: lifeisacarnival
The resurgence of traditional Christian mores and culture that began in the late 1970s has ended.

What "resurgence" is the author refering to? From my perspective, the United States has been moving farther from its traditional Christian morals for decades. I saw no "resurgence" in the late 70s.

30 posted on 04/09/2009 11:40:09 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Star Traveler
I like to say, at times, that the problem would also be solved quite easily if Christians simply made more Christians (i.e., got serious about proclaiming the Gospel to everyone possible and always did so...). Then the politics would take care of themsevles...

Demographics determines destiny. Look at the birthrates among evangelical Christians as compared to everyone else in the country. Within 3 or 4 generations, 5 at the most, the discussion will be over and we will have won.

31 posted on 04/09/2009 12:04:56 PM PDT by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: ex-snook
A Christian's **most* important and urgent mission field is that of his **own** children. His second most important mission field is the children of his congregation. Yet, Christians continue to throw their children into the atheistic, secualar humanist, Marxist maw misnamed "government schools".

SHAME ON CONSERVATIVES ( Christian and non-Christian) for failing to set up a system of tuition-free school so that every child in the U.S. could have had ( and have now) access to a conservative education based on traditional values.

The following is from the article "We are Losing Our Children".

http://www.exodusmandate.org/art_we_are_loosing_our_children.htm

We are losing our children. Research indicates that 70%of teens who are involved in a church youth group will stop attending church within two years of their high school graduation. Think about that statement. It addresses only teenagers who attend church and participate in the youth group. What does that suggest about those teens who may attend church but do not take part in the youth group, or who do not go to church at all?

In a talk at Southwestern Seminary Josh McDowell noted that less than 1/3 of today's youth attend church. If he is right and 67% do not go to church and then we lose 70% of those who do, that means that within two years of finishing high school only 10% of young Americans will attend church.

We are losing our youth.

32 posted on 04/09/2009 12:09:29 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: lifeisacarnival

The idiots running the country has revitalized it.


33 posted on 04/09/2009 12:15:53 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: lifeisacarnival
Social conservatism hasn't died among the base as Rudy Giuliani found out last year. But, RINOs and even many in the conservative elite media are intentionally ignoring the issues. That isn't going to work any better than big-government "conservatism" did for Bush.
34 posted on 04/09/2009 12:16:08 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Terabitten
Within 3 or 4 generations, 5 at the most, the discussion will be over and we will have won.

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We will win **only** if these children receive a thoroughly Christian education. The chances of remaining active in the faith for children (from active evangelical Christian homes) who attend government school are **abysmal**!

http://www.exodusmandate.org/art_20050404-salt-and-light.htm

The research data on the success of the public schools in indoctrinating Christian youth with humanistic or neo-pagan worldviews is overwhelming. The Nehemiah Institute's worldview PEERS test shows that 83-percent of the children from committed Christian families in public schools adopt a secular humanist or Marxist socialist worldview. At the SBC's 2002 annual meeting, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life reported, among other disturbing things, that 88-percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at age 18. Barna Research reports that only 9-percent of born-again teens believe in moral absolutes, and more than half believe that Jesus sinned while He was on earth. We believe the fact that 80-percent of Christian families send their children to public schools is a prime reason for this lost legacy.

35 posted on 04/09/2009 12:21:45 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: lifeisacarnival
A lot of the reason for the "Decline" is simply that the media won't cover Christian conservative concerns in the way they'll cover liberal Christian, secularist, and liberal Jewish concerns.

But "the MSM is keeping us down" rhetoric is defeatist. If the gays, for instance, can take over the newsrooms and shout conservatives down, it's because their opponents were incompetent or lazy enough to let them.

So since their triumph is a sign of laziness or incompetence, conservatives need to conduct a PR audit. Maybe we should have been flattering news editors and cultivating "pet" journalists and Hollywood producers instead of merely complaining about them.

36 posted on 04/09/2009 12:34:34 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: wintertime

The Barna #s and anecdotal evidence both make the point that large families among evangelicals, or Catholics or Mormons will not guarantee us demographic victory. Too many good kids from good families get sent to public schools and get “reducation” 3 hours in Church - a few hours each evening (maybe) with Mom and Dad 40 hours in reducation camp, 30-40 hours of media (overwhelmingly dominated by the folks who brought you the reducation camps. Home schooling is the only reliable (large scale) way to insure that good kids stay that way.


37 posted on 04/09/2009 12:39:12 PM PDT by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: azcap
Home schooling is the only reliable (large scale) way to insure that good kids stay that way.
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I completely agree!

I can't find the link but the stats for homeschoolers remaining steadfast in their faith is just the opposite. 95% are active in their faith two years after high school.

Also...We should disabuse ourselves of the idea that parents have time to “deprogram” their kids. Let's look at the daily life of a child:

1) They must sleep 9 to 11 hours a night.

2) Time outside to freely play ( 1 to 3 hours). Often this is in the company of secular humanist neighbor children.

3) They wait at school bus stops and travel to from school for 1 to 2 or more hours a day. ( An atheistic secular environment)

4) We can fully discount the time spent in the morning rush to get to the bus stop on time. Once there, they associate with kids with secular values.

5) There is secular school homework ( 30 minutes to a half hour for younger children and several hours for older children.)

6) Time for the child to “socialize” with secular humanist friends via cell phone and Internet. ( 30 minutes to hour)

7) And....Maybe the kid would just like to relax with a secular humanist TV program. If adults would like time to relax with a TV program why wouldn't a kid? ( 30 minutes to hour)

8) There are after-school practices with sports, theater, and other clubs. ( 1 to 2 hours)

9) Time spent with secular humanist kids in non-school activities ( soccer, karate, or dance) ( 1 to 5 or more hours a week).

So??....Add it up. When and how can parents have the time to overcome the influence of the atheistic, secular humanist, Marxist government k-12 school? It's almost a lost cause. This is especially true if it is a single parent home.

38 posted on 04/09/2009 1:11:09 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: lifeisacarnival

Nope. It is, however, pretty clear that a change of tactics is in order.


39 posted on 04/09/2009 1:11:51 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: wintertime

Oh, you can counter all that by spending an hour with them twice a week...
/sarc


40 posted on 04/09/2009 1:14:26 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: MrB
When parents say that they “deprogram” their kids, or “work with them” to overcome the Marxist indoctrination of their textbooks and teachers, I just roll my eyes. Yeah! Right!

Geeze! Why not fight a forest fire with a water pistol?

Or...

As one poster put it, “Why not throw a grape a Jupiter?”

41 posted on 04/09/2009 1:41:18 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
I think maybe you overlook the effect of the courts on schools. I attended HS in NYC [quite a while ago] and before every assembly we saluted the flag and read from the Bible usually the 23rd Psalm. If a school tried that today they would be slapped with a law suit. Even student speech at graduations is dampened. School administrators can't spend their time defending lawsuits so out goes anything that has religion because it offends someone - separation of Church and State, you know.

The country is not slouching toward Gemorrah any longer, it is speeding. The Constitution has been turned on its ear. Instead of protecting religion from government, it is protecting government from religion.

42 posted on 04/09/2009 1:43:44 PM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Star Traveler
I like to say, at times, that the problem would also be solved quite easily if Christians simply made more Christians (i.e., got serious about proclaiming the Gospel to everyone possible and always did so...).

I thought you were going to encourage more baby-making, not proselytizing. ;-)

-PJ

43 posted on 04/09/2009 1:44:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Hey..., the Muslims do that, make babies “by the dozen” and then, you can *never leave the religion*!! LOL...


44 posted on 04/09/2009 1:47:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: ex-snook
I think maybe you overlook the effect of the courts on schools. I attended HS in NYC [quite a while ago] and before every assembly we saluted the flag and read from the Bible usually the 23rd Psalm. If a school tried that today they would be slapped with a law suit
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Any government powerful enough to **force** prayer and the 23 Psalm on non-believing children is powerful enough to force atheism on them as well.

The very concept of compulsory government schooling was flawed from the beginning. These government schools arose out of the vicious anti-Catholic sentiment of the mid 19th century. Government schools then were essentially Protestant Christian schools funded by compulsory taxation. ( A review of 19th century textbooks is proof enough of that.)

Ah....But what the anti-Papists did not figure upon was that any government powerful enough to force Protestantism on Catholic children was powerful enough to force atheistic Marxism on 20th and 21st century children.

The very concept of government schooling is fundamentally a freedom of conscience abomination! We must not attempt to reform the unreformable in an effort to reclaim the culture. We must do the following:

1) Get your own children out of the government schools.

2) Work to close down every atheistic government school in the nation! ( That means **all** of them!)

3) Set up a system of tuition-free, private, conservative one room school houses, mini-schools, and homeschool cooperatives. If our nation's colleges and universities can have endowments in the 100 BILLIONS, sure conservatives ( Christian and non-Christian) could fund private conservative K-12 schools for every child in the nation.

I fear though that it is too late to save our culture and our freedom.

45 posted on 04/09/2009 2:21:55 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: lifeisacarnival
"The resurgence of traditional Christian mores and culture that began in the late 1970s has ended."

It "began" 2000 years ago and it hasn't "ended" yet.
There has been an increase in secular humanism and some decadence and decline in certain religious organizations and communities. Part of this is media-driven.

46 posted on 04/09/2009 2:57:38 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: RC2

Just because the media and the pols avoid to acknowledge the presence of hundreds of thousands of Christians in Washington — every year -— for over 30 years — Marching for The Right to Life of our posterity doesn’t mean that Christians aren’t concerned, active and persistent.

An April 15th Tea Party is a good place to reunite and say exactly what our founding fathers said and followed through on.


47 posted on 04/09/2009 3:23:26 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: wintertime
"But what the anti-Papists did not figure upon was that any government powerful enough to force Protestantism on Catholic children was powerful enough to force atheistic Marxism on 20th and 21st century children"

Amen Brother!

48 posted on 04/09/2009 4:13:54 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: lifeisacarnival
There's not really much we can do. Our culture is corrupted. With our divorce rate over 50% and out of wedlock births over 40%, the battle is lost before we even begun to fight it. Young people have no motivation to do the right thing.

Our culture in the '50s was fine because elders were respected and the place of man and woman in society is clear. Today the lines are blurred and that everyone looks out in their own selfish interest so......

49 posted on 04/09/2009 4:36:30 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: lifeisacarnival
The evangelical surge of the last thirty years has been called the "Fourth Great Awakening."

Scholars may differ on the count and the dates, but here's one version:

First Great Awakening (c. 1730–1755)
Second Great Awakening (c. 1790–1840)
Third Great Awakening (c. 1850–1900)
Fourth Great Awakening (c. 1960–1980).

I suspect they're wrong about the last.

So far as I can tell the evangelical awakening started in earnest in the Seventies and was going strong at the end of the millenium.

But all these awakenings have a beginning and an end.

They flame up and then burn out.

And then they start up again.

50 posted on 04/09/2009 4:44:50 PM PDT by x
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