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How the rescue happened
blackfive.net ^ | April 12, 2009 | Uncle Jimbo

Posted on 04/12/2009 5:12:26 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

I just finished listening to the press conference w/ ADM Gortney about the rescue of Captain Phillips. At the time it happened the USS Bainbridge was towing the lifeboat to calmer waters as the sea state was deteriorating. One of the pirates was on board the Bainbridge as the talks about obtaining Phillip's release continued. The lifeboat was approx. 25 m behind the Bainbridge when snipers on the fantail observed one of the pirates in the pilot house of the lifeboat pointing an AK-47 at the back of a tied up Phillips and the other two pirates on board were visible (at least shoulders and heads). The standing authority gave them clearance to engage the pirates if the life of the captain was in imminent danger. The on scene commander deemed this to be true and gave the order to fire. All three bad guys were taken out and then a rigid inflatable boat went to the lifeboat to retrieve Phillips. Iti is unknown at this point whether the shooters were SEALs or Marine Scout Snipers as both would have been available. This was not a rescue attempt ordered by National Command Authority i.e. the President. It was a reaction by the on scene commander under standard authority to safeguard the life of a hostage.

The AP is reporting that President Obama gave the order to use military force to rescue the hostage, that is misleading.

WASHINGTON (AP)—Administration officials say President Barack Obama approved the military operation that rescued a U.S. captain held hostage by Somali pirates.

The officials say Obama ordered the Defense Department to use military resources to rescue Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast.

He did affirm the military's authorization to use force if the captain's life was in danger, but they already would have had that authorization as part of their standard rules of engagement. If there are innocents about to be slaughtered the same reasoning that authorizes self defense also covers an imminent execution unless the ROE specifically forbid it.The AP is making it sound like there was an active rescue ordered by the President. It was not, there was an imminent threat and the local commander gave the order to fire. Good on Obama for ensuring their authorization was clear, but let's also be clear that he did not authorize or order an active rescue attempt.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: gortney; hostages; maritime; obama; rescue; richardphillips; snipers; somalipirates; usnavy; ussbainbridge

1 posted on 04/12/2009 5:12:26 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Give credit where credit is due...


2 posted on 04/12/2009 5:13:23 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The moment that they showed three heads, they were DEAD.


3 posted on 04/12/2009 5:15:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" has gone to the printer.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Heresy!


4 posted on 04/12/2009 5:17:26 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Very interesting, sounds like the captain decided a clean shot on all three was an opportunity and decided to take it. Doesn’t sound like the pirates were about to shoot the captain. This was real hardball, which I think is appropriate for pirates. A very gutsy move, also taking advantage of the absence of the 4th pirate who was negotiating.


5 posted on 04/12/2009 5:20:55 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t Think the White house has a recent reputation for “truthfulness”.

They were probably ready to say “obama did not authorize Deadly force” if things had gone badly for the Captain.

Obama was ready to “bow” out on Bad news.


6 posted on 04/12/2009 5:21:23 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: Travis McGee

The only good Muslim pirate, is a dead Muslim pirate.


7 posted on 04/12/2009 5:23:02 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth to a Liberal, is like a crucifix to a vampire))))
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To: Travis McGee

Amen.


8 posted on 04/12/2009 5:23:19 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Conjecture, based on what I read in the funny books and see on computer games:

Three snipers stationed on the fantail of USS Bainbridge reported that each had their assigned target in their scopes and had a clean shot.

Captain of Bainbridge assessed reports of snipers and with understanding of imminent danger to the hostage, ordered snipers to engage.

Snipers engaged, the three shots coming within a single second of one another.

Three pirates cease to exist.

LRB (Little Rubber Boat) embarks from Bainbridge to lifeboat, retreives hostage, and returns.

4th pirate placed under arrest and informed of his likely future.


9 posted on 04/12/2009 5:25:04 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Travis McGee

Hey there,

Seals Rule!


10 posted on 04/12/2009 5:25:23 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: 4Speed
I don’t Think the White house has a recent reputation for “truthfulness”.

Let's be honest here. We won't know all the inside details until Vice President Biden decides to fill everyone in on how it really happened. Ole Joe will tell us all about it sooner or later, as only he can tell it.

11 posted on 04/12/2009 5:25:46 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Williams

Hello,How do you know they were not going to shoot him.


12 posted on 04/12/2009 5:29:53 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“The only good Muslim pirate, is a dead Muslim pirate.”

So does this mean that there are some good non-Muslim pirates? Just trying to keep the rules straight.


13 posted on 04/12/2009 5:31:37 PM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: centurion316
4th pirate placed under arrest and informed of his likely future.

I bet Obama will bring him to US soil, then find an ACLU lawyer to get him released.

But it would be entertaining to see the hypocricy if the pirate is very quietly taken to Gitmo.

14 posted on 04/12/2009 5:37:10 PM PDT by Styria
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“He did affirm the military’s authorization to use force if the captain's life was in danger, “

Again I hate to defend Obama; but this seems like exactly the best way to have handled it.

The professional people on the scene were given permission to do what was needed.

The stories last night were implying that the life boat was drifting to shore and were helpless to stop it.

That apparently was not the case fortunately.

15 posted on 04/12/2009 5:38:47 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: centurion316

so many pirates, so few yardarms.


16 posted on 04/12/2009 5:38:53 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: fatima

Who cares. They had the chance to do what they should have done day one.


17 posted on 04/12/2009 5:40:14 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My question is:were the Navy’s hands tied when the Captain jumped into the water?


18 posted on 04/12/2009 5:42:24 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I hope they learned their lesson, don’t mess with the U.S. Navy or the Marines or the Army or even the Coast Guard.


19 posted on 04/12/2009 5:42:28 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Styria

I think that this skinny will not go to Gitmo. He will find himself in the Federal system and will be tried in due course. The penalties for piracy on the high seas are rather straightforward, the left having paid little attention to this element of the law. He will be convicted, and will likely be confined to Marion or some similar venue.

He will rot in prison as is appropriate to his station in life.


20 posted on 04/12/2009 5:43:22 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“Doesn’t sound like the pirates were about to shoot the captain.”What’s your point?


21 posted on 04/12/2009 5:46:52 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: centurion316
"4th pirate placed under arrest and informed of his likely future."

If Obama has his way, 3 square meals a day, and a cot to rest his widdle head. Oh, and don't forget a TV in his cell, packages and visits.

22 posted on 04/12/2009 5:55:01 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The only good Muslim pirate, is a dead Muslim pirate.

What is it about the word "Muslim" that the MSM does not understand?

23 posted on 04/12/2009 5:56:24 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: fatima

Oops that was mean’t fpr William, not you.
Sorry, I agree with your statement to him...
Hello,How do you know they were not going to shoot him.


24 posted on 04/12/2009 5:56:33 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

:) (((((Hugs))))))


25 posted on 04/12/2009 5:59:40 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Travis McGee

‘The moment that they showed three heads, they were DEAD.”

ttiuwup!


26 posted on 04/12/2009 6:01:42 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Williams
It will be interesting to see if the captain of the Bainbridge is vilified for “embarrassing” our POS PIC POTUS with the commentary that is revealing the truth about the rescue.
27 posted on 04/12/2009 6:02:13 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The thief squatting in our White House is a liar and a cØward, and most despicably taking credit for the bravery and initiative of real men doing what he would NEVER have the balls to even think about, let alone attempt.
28 posted on 04/12/2009 6:04:21 PM PDT by tomkat (grow your ohms)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The White House is being modest.

The real facts - President Obama and VP Biden flew over late last night in a supersonic jet and bailed out into the sea next to the lifeboat.

Obama tapped on the hull in morse code “let us have the hostage or I will throw Joe Biden into your boat and seal the door.”

The pirates immediately shot themselves and the hostage was picked up by the Navy. Obama and Biden were then launced off a carrier on two fighter jets and returned to the USA non-stop. Biden flew the jet most of the way by himself and even did the six air refuelings required, two of them in the night in wicked thunderstorms.

Upon his return, Biden modestly said that he had done this many times before.


29 posted on 04/12/2009 6:08:23 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: tiki
I hope they learned their lesson, don’t mess with the U.S. Navy or the Marines or the Army or even the Coast Guard.

I have a friend who has been involved in USCG training for these situations for a while now.

30 posted on 04/12/2009 6:09:32 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Travis McGee
The moment that they showed three heads, they were DEAD

I imagine once the tow began that the wind was very inviting to the three pirates who had been shut up in a very hot sun-beaten life boat.

The pause that was refreshing was their last.

31 posted on 04/12/2009 6:10:03 PM PDT by Dustoff45 (A non-posting Freeper makes no spelling errors (Have a Misspell on me))
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To: Dustoff45

I imagine once the tow began that the wind was very inviting to the three pirates who had been shut up in a very hot sun-beaten life boat.


Where rubber met road.


32 posted on 04/12/2009 6:33:16 PM PDT by txhurl (ralph...history books will read: Lincoln freed the slaves & Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There were sure a lot of different stories early on. Like the captain jumping in the water and such.


33 posted on 04/12/2009 6:59:49 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: mass55th
If Obama has his way, 3 square meals a day, and a cot to rest his widdle head. Oh, and don't forget a TV in his cell, packages and visits.

Plus, his very own copy of the Koran.

34 posted on 04/12/2009 7:06:53 PM PDT by mellow velo
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To: centurion316

I doubt it. Now that Captain Phillips is safe, I bet they release this guy in a gesture of compassion and “pirate outreach,” claiming that this is the best way to “save” the 16 crewmembers of the tugboat and to avoid future hostage-takings and “piratical contingency operations.”

Mark my words, Obama will try to get even more mileage out of this: “Captain Courageous Obama manfully ordered the daring rescue operation that saved the life of intrepid merchant marine captain then, in a dazzling display of magnanimity, patted the 16-year-old suviving pirate on the head and said, ‘Gentle Son of Africa, let him who is without sin cast the first stone. We Americans have been so evil, so cruel, so greedy as we consumed more than our fair share of the world’s resources. We have repented and you, Dear Brother, Child of Islam, you shall go before the Lord Obama, to prepare his way, to bring knowledge of salvation to the benighted and oppressed masses of the world. Lo, the Teleprompter on High has spoken. Go and sin no more, my child.’”

“And with that the waters of not just the shallow Reed Sea but of the entire Indian Ocean parted and the Pied Obamateur led the cowering ranks of Africa dryshod into the Promised Land of Nirvana.”

“And then Lord Obama rested from his labors and chowed down on St. Louis pizza on the eighth day.”

The End.


35 posted on 04/12/2009 7:13:47 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: mellow velo
"Plus, his very own copy of the Koran."

Don't forget the prayer rug and kufi.

36 posted on 04/12/2009 7:52:42 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: TC Rider

I have heard that it is harder to get in the Coast Guard than any other branch of the military, I don’t know how true it is.


37 posted on 04/12/2009 8:23:48 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: centurion316

Yep, we’ll see what happens to the 4th pirate.

According to a liberal report I heard, these people are into piracy because they are poor and grappling with poverty and difficult lives. So their career goals have included hijacking ships.

How special.


38 posted on 04/12/2009 9:24:21 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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