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Michael Savage is Anti-Gun? Here is the Open Letter to MS from JPFO - EMAIL THIS TO EVERYONE!
JPFO ^ | 4-9-09 | Aaron Zelman

Posted on 04/13/2009 11:25:04 AM PDT by adm5

Dear Michael, I was alarmed at the recent opinion brief you posted on your website advocating the outlawing of so-called “assault rifles”. ( Back up copy here on JPFO )

I doubt that I’m the only American who was perturbed by your point of view. While loudly decrying and condemning the political trickery of the insidious socialists and authoritarians in our midst, you have now written and published an influential piece to further their agenda.

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TOPICS: Government; Outdoors; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; economy; gungrabers; jpfo; obama; savage; teaparty
Dear Michael, I was alarmed at the recent opinion brief you posted on your website advocating the outlawing of so-called “assault rifles”. ( Back up copy here on JPFO )

I doubt that I’m the only American who was perturbed by your point of view. While loudly decrying and condemning the political trickery of the insidious socialists and authoritarians in our midst, you have now written and published an influential piece to further their agenda.

As an American Jew, and the founder of “Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership” (JPFO), I believe that I can offer a unique perspective on the dangerous fallacies of “gun control”. I would hope that I might get you to reconsider your present stance.

You seem to be, as are many well meaning Americans, ignorant of certain aspects of world and U.S. history. You are, as are many, also significantly misinformed of some critical facts of life within the present day U.S. law enforcement community.

Most disturbingly, you seem to also misunderstand the true intent of the Second Amendment, the very cornerstone of The Bill of Rights. Perhaps more than anyone in this nation, you make full use of the First Amendment every day you are on the air, and every time someone accesses your web page. That you seem to have failed to make a connection between the Second and the First is disheartening. I invite you to view a JPFO production: “2A Today for the U.S.A.” . It is a free download. It is perhaps the best explanation of the Second Amendment available to Americans today.

So, herein, I would like to counter your ill conceived assertions and, at the same time, make my case for why high capacity semi automatic rifles must remain available to Americans.

First, I must chide you on your use of the phrase “assault rifle”. It betrays either an ignorance of firearms, or you are knowingly using one of the gun prohibitionists’ pet deceptions.

Please realize that every time you use the term “assault rifle” you are using an emotionalized buzz word that has been purposefully mutated and distorted, and then injected into mainstream media jabber and political parlance by the likes of your close friends Dianne Feinstein, Charles Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clinton, Michael Bloomberg, William Jefferson Clinton, Sarah Brady, Eric Holder, and legions of their socialist ilk.

In fact, the present day purposeful mis-usage of the term “assault rifle” was the 1988 brainchild of venal gun prohibitionist and propagandist Josh Sugarmann. He openly declares in his own book why the deceptive nomenclature is so effective. Sugarmann says:

“The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons." -Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988

For all intents and purposes, American citizens CANNOT own actual assault rifles. An assault rifle is a firearm that has a select fire option that allows it to operate as a fully automatic machine gun.

You may chalk this up as nit picking, but it is not.

Why? Because here is an important question: Can the police arm themselves with fully automatic rifles, actual assault rifles?

Of course! And they now do so with increasing regularity. Absolutely no one is stopping them!

Can the huge majority of Americans arm themselves with fully automatic rifles?

No, they cannot. Fully automatic rifles were made, for all intents and purposes, pragmatically illegal by the Firearms Act of 1934.

Yes, you can own a machine gun if you are willing to pay a $200 tax, and then find a pre 1986 full auto machine gun, and then shell out the exorbitant price for such a hard to find gun. So even licensed machine gun owners can’t get their hands on the hardware that your local cop shop can locate and easily acquire with a direct query to an agency like Homeland Security and/or BATFE.

Next in your opinion brief, you go on to infer that the police are “outgunned”. This is simply not true. In fact, it is a blatant lie that you have been duped into believing.

I repeat, the federal government, especially since 9-11, stands ready to fund the supply of both semi automatic and fully automatic rifles to police authorities. Many cops now drive around with semi automatic rifles within arms reach in their patrol cars. Chicago has instituted this policy. See, Huffington Post.

Every cop on the seven man Jasper, Florida police department packs a fully automatic M-16 in the patrol car! If the little town of Jasper can do it, no other municipality in America should find it difficult to follow suit. Read about this here, World Net Daily Article.

The transition to semi automatic rifles is really no more complex or difficult than the transition from revolvers to semi automatic pistols the police have almost universally made over the last two decades. Give the cops the guns. Teach them how to use them. It is being done all over America. Los Angeles was way ahead of the curve on this trend.

So “outgunned” is a red herring, Michael. Don’t be suckered.

The next important correction to your opinion brief: You infer that there is a “flood” of illegal semi automatic weapons being smuggled across our inarguably porous borders. Wrong. They are being made in America at this very moment. As fast as American factories can turn them out! Why? Because Americans by the millions NOW WANT THEM.

Maybe visions of Korean-Americans standing guard on their Los Angeles rooftops with AK-47 type semi auto rifles put some ideas in our minds. Ravaging looters were held at bay (and some killed) and many of the Korean stores were the only buildings left un-plundered in entire blocks. Other than the fact that Koreans are notorious for not messing around, I wonder why.

With America and the world in the first stages of a global financial meltdown, is such civil unrest likely to be repeated in America in the near future? Do you even need to answer that one?

These guns (semi auto rifles) aren’t being smuggled into America in any great numbers. The AR-15 style semi auto is legally manufactured by at least ten different firms in the U.S. Smith & Wesson makes one, Remington makes one, and Colt has been making them for decades. The AK style semi autos are mostly made abroad, but legally imported. However, there are also several U.S. manufacturers of the AK style semi auto. (Keep that image of the defiant Korean store owner in your head.)

Next, you use a deceptively simplistic quote: “Well, Mike, if we’re armed with these weapons, the government can’t possibly take our rights away.”

Nothing guarantees our freedom with complete assurance. Nothing. Our task as Americans is to make the theft of our freedom an extremely risky and bloody task for would-be tyrants. Nothing has changed in the more than two hundred years we’ve operated under the Bill of Rights. Human folly and deceit remains the same … it’s just being televised.

You are correct that a single person can’t make a successful stand against a corrupted government.

However, I should remind you that there are an estimated 65 MILLION gun owners (owning more than 200 million firearms) in America. Some quite neutral authorities estimate there may be a firearm in almost every other house in the United States. Read more here.

Suppose the state of affairs in this nation became so intolerable that “They” came to get YOU? (For that matter, wouldn’t you be the VERY FIRST guy on their list?)

Having said that, you would obviously want us in the streets loudly protesting. Unarmed, at first.

But at what point during your incarceration and “re-education” would you appreciate the fact that many of us were willing to take up arms to see you released? Men have been lynched by armed mobs … and men have been freed by armed mobs.

Or, in another not-so-unlikely event, what if house-to-house gun searches and confiscations (as were conducted by malicious governments throughout the entire 20th Century) start up here in America, in the land of the free? Michael, it has already happened, during Hurricane Katrina.

What do gun confiscations far too often lead to? Genocide. Mass murder. Please take a moment to study the easy-to-understand “Genocide Chart” that JPFO carefully researched and compiled. Trust me, it is a wake up call.

The first few victims of American gun sweeps would be hauled off for hiding their firearms or not meeting the registration check lists, but word of such events would spread like wild fire. Maybe the nation would hear about it from you first.

At some point, the jack boots would be met with force … quite likely a very significant force, from all directions. That is the key point you overlook in your blithe dismissal: FROM ALL DIRECTIONS. To be more accurate, from potentially 65 MILLION directions.

What if the American government ever “goes bad” and becomes a police state? That tyrannical government, IF it could enlist the willing support of every American soldier and every American cop (which is thankfully doubtful), could field perhaps a total of 1.5 million armed personnel. These duped soldiers and cops would have to go to their jobs each day facing a bare minimum of 10 MILLION very, very motivated and angry armed American citizens. The other 55 million would sit on the fence waiting, with their guns, to see which way the tide was flowing.

Additionally, you must logically ask WHY the present government is so obsessively committed to “gun control”. If our government has become so overpowering, so omnipotent, and it’s a waste of our time to even imagine resisting tyranny, then why do “They” even worry about the citizens being armed?

And why did the political regimes that committed genocide though the history of the 20th Century, first REGISTER and then CONFISCATE firearms before marching unarmed masses off to killing fields?

If an armed government is so omnipotent, why have so many armed governments gone to the effort and expense of gun confiscation?

The Turks did it to the Armenians. Lenin did it to Russians. Hitler did it to many Germans and all Jews. Stalin gave Russians a horrific double dose. And Mao, the world record holding mass murderer, did it to Red China.

Michael, I understand that you support the police in America. So do I. But don’t let your loyalty to the men and women in blue cloud your thinking.

Police are “public servants”. That makes us, in the final analysis, their masters. This is a somber realization, but Americans must face this responsibility. We are their masters. They work for us. Let them have their semi auto rifles. Gladly. Let them even have their fully automatic machine guns. But that doesn’t mean they can dictate public policy, and deny us the same right to personal self defense. Your or my life is NOT less important than the life of a police officer.

When the police make the laws, it’s call a “Police State”.

A huge and overwhelming majority of American gun owners salute the incredibly difficult job our police officers perform each day. But if we allow laws that result in the registration and confiscation of significant self defense weapons, and misguided cops march out to enforce those laws, you will see Americans turn on those police officers with a resentment that you cannot even imagine. Then we can talk about “outgunned”.


Aaron Zelman – Founder and Director JPFO

1 posted on 04/13/2009 11:25:05 AM PDT by adm5
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To: Joe Brower


2 posted on 04/13/2009 11:28:28 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: adm5

Savage is a phony conservative, a well-known fact to most on FR.

3 posted on 04/13/2009 11:30:34 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: adm5

Thanks for posting this I know many who think he is something special.

4 posted on 04/13/2009 11:35:38 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: ozzymandus

I’ve long suspected he was a phony. This just confirms it. No true conservative who’s been around as long as he has would fall for this gun banning nonsense. What I don’t understand is why he chose this moment to completely life the veil and show his true colors.

5 posted on 04/13/2009 11:48:40 AM PDT by messierhunter
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*lift the veil

6 posted on 04/13/2009 11:49:02 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: ozzymandus

I wonder if he is just very mentally disturbed and can’t decide what exactly he is.

7 posted on 04/13/2009 11:53:02 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: adm5

another RINO buttwipe....Silly Savage

8 posted on 04/13/2009 11:54:37 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: messierhunter
No true conservative who’s been around as long as he has would fall for this gun banning nonsense.

I agree completely.

He appears to actually BE every bit as much of a "tool" as I have always assumed him to be.

9 posted on 04/13/2009 11:58:34 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS

I have to hand it to Levin, he called it a long time ago. Weiner Nation indeed. The question now is, where do I turn the dial on late Friday night drives when I’m between Levin’s stations?

10 posted on 04/13/2009 12:04:29 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: ozzymandus

I like some of the stories he tells of his youth in Brooklyn. He has an irrational hatred of all other conservative talk radio. I don’t get it. I can listen to him for a while, but certainly not for a whole show. He grates on me. I’m a little surprised to find out about his disdain for the second amendment. I’m guessing this has come from the murder of the 4 Oakland police officers by that scumbag who offed two with an AK or SKS. I never did hear what the rifle actually was. That seems to have really shook him up.

11 posted on 04/13/2009 12:06:03 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: ozzymandus

When people ask me, I say he’s not one of ours. If they ask why, I say he’s a true blowhard.

12 posted on 04/13/2009 12:14:40 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Vaquero

Savage is not a RINO, in fact he is not a Republican.

HE supports to many left wing views.
Savage also gave support and money to the Left Wing Democrat Jerry Brown’s campaign for AG here in CAlif.

13 posted on 04/13/2009 12:26:49 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: TC Rider

I think I have managed to listen to about 1.5 hours total of this jerk. Blowhard is an apt description.

14 posted on 04/13/2009 12:26:49 PM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The rifle was a bone stock SKS, but that wasn’t really reported.

15 posted on 04/13/2009 12:39:53 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & Moderator)
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To: adm5

Sometimes I enjoy listening to Doc. Savage - depending upon his mood and my own at the time. That being said, there are many times when he shows his complete ignorance regarding certain subjects, especially the military and firearms in general.

16 posted on 04/13/2009 1:03:19 PM PDT by smokingfrog (Choose your allies carefully.)
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To: SoCalPol

Savage also interviewed Brown on his show just after the Oakland killings and said on the air that if he (Brown) would run for governer again, he would support and vote for him.

17 posted on 04/13/2009 1:03:21 PM PDT by glock_fan
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To: glock_fan

I remember when Jerry Brown’s father, Pat was Gov. here.
I thought he was bad until Jerry was elected Gov. in the early 70s. Really bad.

He is a typical Frisco Leftist. No wonder Savage loves him.

18 posted on 04/13/2009 1:15:41 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: messierhunter

Maybe he’s getting ready to change sides. After seeing that MSNBC will give a show to any commie who wants one, he might think he has a chance there.

19 posted on 04/13/2009 8:03:19 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: adm5; 09Patriot; BellStar; b4its2late; Blue Turtle; BootsOfEscaping; Brad's Gramma; ├čudda├čudd; ...

One the Doc is wrong on.
(”assault” weapon ban. In the right hands most anything is an assault weapon. machineguns/pistols are rare out on the streets)

20 posted on 04/14/2009 3:24:51 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: ozzymandus

Apparently you havn’t been around that long. Mike already had a show on MSNBC.

21 posted on 04/14/2009 3:42:25 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: adm5
Michael Savage is Anti-Gun

So were the Jews in 1930's Germany.

22 posted on 04/14/2009 5:41:38 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Yes we can ~ Thank you satan.)
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To: adm5
Let me slow you down for a second.

I podcast Michael Savage. Without a question he is BIG TIME conservative and does not like what the Republican party has turned into (basically worthless). So he bashes them, but he is still very conservative.

This post goes against everything said that day based on the Oakland Police shooting. I still have copies and I read his notes almost every single day.

This looks like a hoax to me. Savage is not a gun grabber, but a big gun advocate. He is a member of the NRA and owns several weapons himself.

I am calling B.S. on this link. I listen to the guy everyday and hit his web site almost everyday.

Michael Savage BY FAR. Is wayyyy more conservative than Rush, Hannity, Beck... As a matter of fact Rush, Hannity and Beck get their notes from Savage. I laugh every time I hear it.

Anyone who says Savage is a RINO or phony does not listen to him. Savage is easily the biggest conservative on talk radio.

He is not scared like Rush, Hannity, Boortz or Beck to talk about Gays and the bible. His biggest push (since 1994) is the illegal immigration. Rush, Hannity, Boortz and Beck have finally talked about it in the last two years. Prior to that they were all silent.

BTW, Savage has tow PHDs, has written 24 books (not all political). Savage is the most intelligent of any of the talk show host. He has 4 New York Times best seller books. Easily by far Savage is the best on radio. Anyone can podcast his show and he smokes the rest. If you listen to all of them (like I do) then it obvious to any objective listener that Savage is the best.

I just have a hard time believing this link. I call B.S. on it.

23 posted on 04/15/2009 3:00:20 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: rawcatslyentist

No he is not. Sorry, and as a matter of fact he always makes that exact point. I have listened to it multiple times.

Savage understands Hitler was anti-gun. He always ask what if the German Police were met at the door (by jews their were coming to arrest) with gun fire. Savage believes if this was the case, then the Holocaust probably would not have happened.

24 posted on 04/15/2009 3:02:39 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: adm5
This is BS and I am going to tell you why. Look up Savages notes when the Supreme Court was recently (in the last year) ruled about guns rights. We won (meaning the second amendment prevailed) and Savage was celebrating it on his show.

I am sorry but the link you have is B.S. Anyone who listens to Savage or Pod cast him. Knows this is BS

25 posted on 04/15/2009 3:05:17 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

You are correct. The Lefties want him off the air as does CAIR.

26 posted on 04/15/2009 5:53:51 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Sprite518
I just have a hard time believing this link. I call B.S. on it.


Why are the police outgunned?

In the last two or three weeks, the United States has seen an unprecedented outcropping of violent shootings, much of it directed at the police. As a result, seven police officers are dead. Over a dozen civilians have been killed. Why is this happening now? Obviously this has nothing to do with race. The shooters run the racial gamut. A black shot the police in Oakland. A white shot the police in Pittsburgh. And a Vietnamese individual shot the civilians. But in both cases where police were killed, an assault rifle was used.

So why are our police outgunned? Is it because of the politically correct rules of engagement that have been imposed on them over the last 30 years? Or is it because there are too many assault weapons in the hands of criminals? If we decided we wanted to have real borders, maybe we could stop the flood of weapons that come from Mexico, Russia, China, and Eastern Europe. But now that they’re here, how can we allow our police to by the criminal and the insane. So I put the question to the Savage Nation. Is it time to ban assault rifles? What are they really needed for?

Of course, I can already hear callers telling me, “Well, Mike, if we’re armed with these weapons, the government can’t possibly take our rights away.” That is nonsense. If the government wants to take your rights away or imprison you for whatever reason, your owning an assault rifle is not going to stop it. So we have to ask: If the police are not allowed to have these types of weapons, then why is the public allowed have them. I want you, The Savage Nation to tell me why.

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27 posted on 04/15/2009 7:17:34 AM PDT by adm5 (YOU CANNOT FIX CAPITALISM WITH SOCIALISM! -Glenn Beck)
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To: adm5
You need to listen to him and you would understand where he stands.

A) He is a member of the NRA
B) He owns several guns
c) Did you hear his broadcast recently over the Supream Court's ruling regarding the 2nd Amendment?

I'm sorry but he is not a gun grabber. Just for the record I also listen to Boortz, Beck, Rush and Hannity. Savage is clearly the most conservative of the bunch. The rest lift their notes from Savage. It does not bother me, but I just wish they would give credit where its due.

I have listened to Savage for a long time and you can rest assure he is the biggest conservative that is not afraid to talk about Gay rights, the Bible, Illegal Aliens or the weak Republican party.

If you listened to him on a regular basis, then you would know this. As a matter of fact his radio show during the funeral of the Oakland Police officers I would say was one his best.

I highly recommend you listen to it. Here look at this link and click,

“Oakland Cops Handcuffed By Liberals” on the left side of the page. You can also listen to the other great messages right below. Scroll down the page on the left side.
Listen and enjoy....

28 posted on 04/15/2009 7:40:04 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: KeyLargo

I’ve been around on FR 2 years longer than you. I’m just not a big MSNBC (or Savage)fan.

29 posted on 04/15/2009 11:41:52 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Sprite518

If Savage isn’t a gun grabber, why is he railing against “assault rifles”? Instead of telling us how much you love him, how about explaining what he actually said?

30 posted on 04/15/2009 11:44:57 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
Just go to my link you replied to if you do not believe me and listen. Good grief! No your friends before you go bashing based on one B.S. e-mail!
31 posted on 04/15/2009 2:28:41 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: adm5; SpaceBar; Sprite518; dynachrome; ozzymandus; Eastbound; MrCFdovnh; Tamar1973; fishtank; ...

Just found this, this was about a month before the Oakland police killings and Savage’s comments concerning assualt weapons.

32 posted on 04/21/2009 6:37:22 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Sprite518

I totally agree with you .I think this post is a plant. I have heard him many times defend gun ownership. He has also said many times that the FIRST thing the Nazis did to the Jews was to take away their guns and he cautions us to NEVER let that happen.Something smells here.

33 posted on 04/21/2009 6:45:27 PM PDT by sonic109
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