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Guns and the 2nd Amendment Under Constant Attack
The Andrea Shea King Show ^ | April 16, 2009 | Andrea Shea King

Posted on 04/16/2009 1:08:30 PM PDT by patriotgal1787

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Haven’t you gotten the memo? The War on Terror has been won!

Now the Obama administration has a new enemy in its sights: Right-wing Extremists!

But exactly who are these extremists? Can we really believe that we are being told to be more suspicious of each other as law-abiding Americans, rather than on the alert against the true enemies of our country?

Is our nation truly at risk from teabag-wielding First and Second Amendment Rights advocates? And were the "Lone Wolf McVeighs" really the threat for which George W Bush established the Department of Homeland Security after September 11, 2001? Wasn't it actually formed to help protect the United States from FOREIGN Islamic Terrorists who hijacked and flew commercial airlines into buildings?

Speaking of which, we'll take a look at the recent rescue of the Maersk Alabama Captain Richard Phillips, held hostage by Pirates (foreign Islamic Terrorists) who were killed by Navy Seals snipers, revives the debate over arming crews.

Should crews of commercial vessels be armed?

And here's one that'll have you reaching for a drink -- HR 45 - the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009.

This legislation will make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

Otherwise, you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

A child provision clause requires that a gun be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely and if you aren't? Up to 5 years in prison.

With us tonight to address these issues -- the executive director of the 300,000 strong member organization Gun Owners of America (GOA), Larry Pratt.

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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; assaultweaponsban; awb; banglist; donttreadonme; goa; guncontrol; gunowners; hr45; microstamping; privacy; rightwingextremism; shallnotbeinfringed

1 posted on 04/16/2009 1:08:31 PM PDT by patriotgal1787
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To: patriotgal1787
Can we really believe that we are being told to be more suspicious of each other as law-abiding Americans,....

It worked in Nazi Germany.

2 posted on 04/16/2009 1:14:30 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: patriotgal1787

What will stop HR 45? Will Congress defeat the bill? If they pass it, will the President veto the bill?


3 posted on 04/16/2009 1:20:17 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: patriotgal1787

This bill should about do it!


4 posted on 04/16/2009 1:22:42 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: anniegetyourgun

It ain’t even gonna make it out of committee.
The NRA is more fight than even Democommies want.


5 posted on 04/16/2009 1:27:18 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: patriotgal1787

...shall not be infringed...


6 posted on 04/16/2009 1:29:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Little Ray
The single-party in control of everything could very easily ignore the NRA and do what they want, and Bambi would sign the bill. Done.

SO, I hope you're right.

7 posted on 04/16/2009 1:31:10 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Strangely enough, there are still a bunch of Democrats who will vote against most anti-gun bills, ‘cause its that, or lose their seats. There’s enough, that, combined with ‘Pubbies, these bills don’t pass or even get out of committee.


8 posted on 04/16/2009 1:34:37 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Little Ray

Good....it’s rare we have the votes these days...to stop anything this administration wants.


9 posted on 04/16/2009 1:36:09 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

“What will stop HR 45? Will Congress defeat the bill? If they pass it, will the President veto the bill?”

1. Fear. Either of their jobs or their lives.
2. Maybe. It depends if the zero can make them afraid of us having guns.
3. Are you kidding?


10 posted on 04/16/2009 1:47:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: TigersEye
In that little phrase at the end of the Second Amendment hides the secret. “Shall Not Be Infringed” means that legislating in any way to prevent gun ownership by any citizen of this country is contrary to the law and the Constitution.
11 posted on 04/16/2009 1:52:59 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: TigersEye
In that little phrase at the end of the Second Amendment hides the secret. “Shall Not Be Infringed” means that legislating in any way to prevent gun ownership by any citizen of this country is contrary to the law and the Constitution.
12 posted on 04/16/2009 1:53:03 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: ANGGAPO
That bears repeating. ;^)

Repeating arms that is!

13 posted on 04/16/2009 1:56:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Little Ray; anniegetyourgun

Let’s not waste the opportunity. We should let it get out of committee and keep it in the press until 2010.

Make the libs drink their own Kool-aide.

This will get the mushy middle back to reality.


14 posted on 04/16/2009 2:10:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: TigersEye; ANGGAPO

I sure wish I could agree with you folks, but we have a law right now that forbids anyone guilty of committing a felony from ever owning a gun again in their lifetime. It matters not if it was an infraction involving violence or a gun. One felony and you can never again defend your family from home invasion.

If a person has kept their nose clean for decades, it would seem that they could be considered to be rehabilitated. You only serve about seven years on average for a murder, but fifty years later and you still won’t be forgiven for committing a felony somewhere along the line.

So, I’m not confident the courts will defend gun rights. They have shown very little proclivity to do so. Yes, there are some instances...


15 posted on 04/16/2009 2:16:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: 1010RD

Might be a good technique, but I’d rather it never came up for consideration...


16 posted on 04/16/2009 2:17:56 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: DoughtyOne

What is it you disagree about? All that you say is true but the 2nd Amendment still says what it says.


17 posted on 04/16/2009 2:25:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Little Ray
Let it. It will kill the Democratic Party going in to the 2010 elections.

Let the Republicans pass it out of committee by stating that Obama promised not to take away people's guns and that the Democrats want to do that just that.

Better to shine the bright light of truth on their lies and fight it out than to continue to be manipulated and duped.

They've started their anti-gun mantra with lie after lie to try and manipulate this issue.

It is about control and nothing more. Better we show we have a king now, than to end up slaves later.

Plus a public defeat of Obama is necessary to slow down the pell mell race into economic destruction. The emperor has no clothes and without his media capons - Americans would know it. The French and Muslims do.

18 posted on 04/16/2009 2:36:49 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: TigersEye

Yes it does say what it says. The problem is, judges think there are ‘reasonable’ gun control laws, and that’s a tough nut to crack. ‘Shall not be infringed’ is Greek to them. That’s all I am saying.

The assault weapons ban, local state, and municipal laws and ordinances whack away at gun rights all the time.

We were fortunate IMO, to get the W., D.C. ruling we did last year. States are still trying to do an end run on that though.

The Senate Bill 45 or whatever doesn’t prevent gun ownership. It merely makes folks who own them into public enemy number one, at the beck and call of the BATF or state agencies on a whim.

I doubt the court would object to that at all. Is that what our framers had in mind? Not hardly, but that’s what we face, and I’m not sure the court would step in to block this.

I wish like hell I could be confident that it would.


19 posted on 04/16/2009 2:47:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: patriotgal1787

Can we really believe that we are being told to be more suspicious of each other as law-abiding Americans,....

It worked in Romania, it worked in Cuba, it works in Venzuela, it works in China.

You cannot have organs of internal security WITHOUT
internal enemies, if you don’t have any, you make them.

In our case, we have plenty of Islamics and illegal citizens
but for political reasons it is not expedient to deal with
THEM, so bring out the straw boogie man and make him a criminal to justify the existance of an internal security
apparatus.

We are seeing it built before our eyes.
We will feel the effect of it before the next election,
if there is one.


20 posted on 04/16/2009 2:48:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

Ever seen those posters from Ohio with a fone number telling citizens to call in if they see someone puffing away in a proscribed area, even outdoors....

Good Luck, guys, once they run out of unpopular behavior to regulate, ban and tax...........


21 posted on 04/16/2009 2:54:14 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: DoughtyOne
Well, that's not disagreement, DO. You're describing the degenerate state of Federal law as it stands today and I'm pointing to that Supreme law of the land they are in violation of. I'm not ignoring reality I am simply underlining it with a truth that ultimately they cannot change unless the Constitution itself is changed.

The FedGov is wrong. Period.

22 posted on 04/16/2009 3:05:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

I agree with you there. I share your view. My intention was to address in practical terms what our situation is, whether we can expect our rights to be honored or not.

I’m sorry it seemed I might be disagreeing with your comments regarding the Second Amendment. I fully support the idea that the SA grants us the right to be armed.

It would be absurd IMO to claim that a citizen did not have the right to defend himself against home invasion, precisely the argument the left makes when they try to take guns away.


23 posted on 04/16/2009 3:11:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

So far, HR45 is collecting dust in a House Subcommittee for 2 1/2 months.


24 posted on 04/16/2009 3:18:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: DoughtyOne
"I sure wish I could agree with you folks, but we have a law right now that forbids anyone guilty of committing a felony from ever owning a gun again in their lifetime. It matters not if it was an infraction involving violence or a gun. One felony and you can never again defend your family from home invasion."

All it takes is a permanent restraining order--no conviction at all necessary. ...or a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction. The NRA didn't do anything about that, either, or the right of good young folks to possess firearms (another bill, now law). Parents can be imprisoned, if their teens are caught with firearms and without notes of permission. Fred Thompson voted in favor of that one.

Republican members of Congress voted nearly unanimously in favor of the VAWA (re. restraining orders). With that, they lost about 15 million fathers' rights advocates (including daughters, second wives,...). Quite a few of us continued to vote Republican through 2004, to give Republicans one last chance to repeal some bad laws. But that was the end of it, IMO. Now we only see flighty feminists, free slavers, lying celebrities, and the like, in politics: very special interests.

I'm legal to own firearms. But it's wrong that the rights of so many good men are violated for no more reason, than they were once living with troublemaking tramps (corporate/government whores) and fighting with all of their other dogs (boyfriends).

Fonda, Smeal, Shalala, Reno, Pelosi and Napolitano are products of our sexually confused and selfish leadership (both political parties). Domestic violence and other violence have increased terribly for decades during this political trend after the late-1960s.


25 posted on 04/16/2009 3:20:35 PM PDT by familyop (Randian objectivism: all about me, me,...)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm not trying to be contentious either but it didn't "seem" like you were disagreeing you "said" you disagreed. I'm sorry if I took you too literally. lol

I think our rights have already been highly dishonored and I expect more of the same. If these new bills are made law it will no longer be possible for me to remain a "law-abiding" gun owner. The question then will be "do I want to remain a law-abiding citizen?" That is a question I likely won't discuss with anyone publically.

26 posted on 04/16/2009 3:25:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: familyop

You’re right. It’s one more reason why I have lost faith with the Republican party. It’s one thing to lose on some issues, it’s quite another to not get it at all in the first place. And more often than not, the Republicans simply don’t.

You’ve pointed out some instances where these folks have clearly lost touch with reality on Second Amendment issues. And I dropped my NRA membership because of some of this.

They win one once in a blue moon, but they want my money every stage of the moon. Not for their past performance.

The left loves to demonize the NRA, knowing full well the NRA does nothing more times than not. This keeps the NRA as the leading gun advocacy group, when I don’t think they actually are.


27 posted on 04/16/2009 3:28:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, I did say disagreed. Perhaps I was extrapolating that we had already lost so many rights, when you were seeming to say we had those famous words to fall back on. I don’t disagree with your claim regarding the Second for sure.

Sorry for the confusion. We’re in this one side by side, to be sure.


28 posted on 04/16/2009 3:30:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I once lived in a very rough neighborhood for a few years. It was close to work. ...learned a lot.

Most working class Democrats are in favor of keeping their firearms, too. It's the "upscale" folks in both parties, who are afraid that the denizens of trailer parks and tract house neighborhoods will come after them. They just can't figure out how to restrict ownership of firearms to their own kind while staying in office and foreign-obtained wealth.

And those "upscale" folks are hearkening a lot to Benito in more ways than one.

Someone should write a song about it. ...Fonda, Smeal, Shalala, Reno, Pelosi, Napolitano, Barone,...dey got lotsa cool politician names now. Maybe shiny, synthetic shirts and the chicken (dance) will come back in style.


29 posted on 04/16/2009 3:37:38 PM PDT by familyop (Randian objectivism: all about me, me,...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I don’t want to fall back on the Constitution I want to move forward on it. ;-)


30 posted on 04/16/2009 3:43:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: anniegetyourgun
What will stop HR 45? Will Congress defeat the bill? If they pass it, will the President veto the bill?

Right now, it's going nowhere, with no co-sponsers, but that could change in about the same time it took to pass the Porkulus bill. IOW, very quickly.

But if Congress passes HR-45, Obama will probably break his arm, or at least sprain his "shooting" (basketball shooting) hand signing the thing.

Obama, Fienstien, Schummer and many other's, more than a few with (R) after their name, want the new and improved Assault Weapons Ban as a wolf wants a sheep, but they know the time is not yet ripe, but when it is, it too will become "emergency", must pass NOW, legislation.

31 posted on 04/16/2009 4:05:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: DoughtyOne
"The left loves to demonize the NRA, knowing full well the NRA does nothing more times than not. This keeps the NRA as the leading gun advocacy group, when I don’t think they actually are."

That's true. I would not advise any member to stop their membership in one of the more elite firearms hunting associations, but the NRA has sometimes compromised against the Second Amendment. I am saying that members of the should try to correct their elite NRA leadership at such times, before it becomes more like the AARP.

But...

The Emerson Case (background info)

Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)

...this outfit is for real--not like those prevailing in politics for sensitive, bipartisan constituencies. The thought of denizens of trailer parks and tract house neighborhoods owning weapons does not frighten them so much.

CCRKBA

Yes...little humor intended there...and some criticism. ;-)


32 posted on 04/16/2009 4:07:27 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Senate Bill 45 or whatever doesn’t prevent gun ownership.

It's a House bill, sponsored by Obami's own Congressman, co-founder of the Illinois Black Panthers, Bobby Rush.

33 posted on 04/16/2009 4:09:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: DoughtyOne
Oops...sorry. Here's the right home page link for the CCRKBA.

http://www.ccrkba.org/



34 posted on 04/16/2009 4:16:10 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

Thanks for the comments and the link. I wasn’t aware of who had submitted the bill. It figures.

If you would have told me back in the 70s that the Black Panther organization and members would be rehabed enough to hold political office, I would have urged you to seek help.

Now we’re both seeking help. LOL


35 posted on 04/16/2009 4:26:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: patriotgal1787

Okay, let’s review the facts.

Two weeks ago, obuma was sending out millions and millions of supporters to knock on doors and demand that everyone sign a pledge to support obuma. NOBODY showed up.

This week, millions and millions of obuma supporters would show up to disrupt tea parties. NOBODY SHOWED UP!!!

For Pete’s sake, stop acting like scared rabbits. obuma has no army, will never raise an army and wouldn’t know what to do with an army.

THERE IS NO OBUMA ARMY TO TAKE AWAY YOUR KIDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

obuma is a fraud, a liar and a coward.

Please stop this obuma bogeyman stuff. Thank you.


36 posted on 04/16/2009 4:41:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: DoughtyOne
Excerpt of a memo from former Attorney General John Ashcroft.

"On October 16, 2001, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit issued its decision in United States v. Emerson. I am please that the decision upholds the constitutionality of 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(8) - which prohibits violent persons who are under domestic restraining orders from receiving firearms. By taking guns out of the hands of persons whose propensity to violence is sufficient to warrant a specific restraining order, this statute helps avoid tragic episodes of domestic violence."

The whole memo.

So...bye, bye, Republicrats. Repeal the VAWA, stop working for the anti-American free slavers and anti-family feminists, and I will vote Republican again. ;-) Otherwise, you'll only continue to have more political enemies than friends.


37 posted on 04/16/2009 4:41:31 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: sergeantdave
"Please stop this obuma bogeyman stuff. Thank you."

Agreed. For a long time, it appears that the Party leaders' collective IQ went down quite a few more points. ...probably comes from decades of doing nothing more than counting money from foreign production, money from our retarded "service economy," and spending it on being entertained.

The the other Gang (the Democrat leaders and their favored, free slaver constituents) are only getting their goat, and they, in turn, are elaborating on the stories and trying to get our goats. But my goat doesn't wear diamond earrings or gigantic rocks on her fingers, because she's better than that. ;-)

And as for the bipartisan firearms craze and fad, I'll buy, when the prices take the big dive. Obama's not going to let the rich, white man-haters of his Party (see Million Mom March) ban firearms, because the people of America's down-scale neighborhoods would erupt against him in response.

Most of us don't take kindly to attempts by spoiled nitwits to fool us.


38 posted on 04/16/2009 4:58:26 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: DoughtyOne

Here’s another good one...also supported Dr. Emerson.

Second Amendment Foundation
http://www.saf.org/


39 posted on 04/16/2009 5:04:13 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

We know that the obuma punks and cowards are spreading fear to frighten women and children. We need to counter that the best we can.


40 posted on 04/16/2009 5:35:33 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: familyop

The strange thing is, Ashcroft evidenty has no clue how easy it is for a woman to get a restraining order. It’s a simply form turned in at the clerk’s office, and then one hearing.

Good-bye gun rights.

Eh, no problem.

Good grief.


41 posted on 04/16/2009 6:03:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: sergeantdave

I think you posted to the wrong thread. This thread is about the DHS Right-wing extremist assessment and HR 45. Both of which are real. Nothing was said in the article about OBUMA’S ARMY.


42 posted on 04/16/2009 6:08:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: DoughtyOne
"Now we’re both seeking help. LOL"

...true. ;-)

Over the past couple of years, I've been finding out more about who my good (mostly) and bad (very few) local neighbors are. Most of us have more in common, politically, than not--even some of the young, dumb Democrats. They're getting more interested in gardening, building, livestock, family, firearms sports, etc. So we share technical and recreation knowledge. Most of us have found that we don't have much at all in common with most of the politicians and constituents who support them.


43 posted on 04/16/2009 6:12:48 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

Good for you. Sounds like a wise thing to do.


44 posted on 04/16/2009 6:19:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: sergeantdave
"We know that the obuma punks and cowards are spreading fear to frighten women and children. We need to counter that the best we can."

Agreed! Some of the Hillary-wing Democrats are vindictive. They would like to rouse up some Reno-like action. Those attempts to stir the pot are best ridiculed then ignored. As for many of the Democrat constituents, they are idealists and believe that some problems can be stopped--completely eradicated. But they're not getting any younger, and they're not having a whole lot of kids. And the rest of the Democrat politicians are...politicians. They know who pays them and propagandizes for them.

And as for Napolitano's announcement about veterans and the like, most of our local and federal police will not pay much undue attention to us in general. They are individuals with their own minds, too, and the world is not a television show. They see nutty politicians as the rest of us do. Granted, a few of them go along with weird social trends and local troublemakers, and some of them get unnecessarily excited, at times. But most of them are just trying to get by. They're our neighbors, too. They're not getting any younger, either.


45 posted on 04/16/2009 6:44:10 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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