Posted on 04/22/2009 10:25:25 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
Well, socialism is also viewed to be the intermediary step until full-blown communism comes about. The goal is communism. The lie is that it never is achieved, so those small elite in power controlling everything under socialism never really have to fear having to give up control - which technically is what happens under communism (everyone owns everything).
If anyone is serious about rejuvenating OUR country, it must be done on the next election day...Be very careful about your vote...be very loud about your support or your condemnation...
The correct way for the truly conservatives of OUR country to change things is to get rid of what brought us here...Liberalism in control...We MUST STOP being the “silent majority”.....We have to be heard...
Our only other alternative is a nation wide revolution...
I don’t know if it can be bloodless or not, but it must happen if we can’t get control of the elitists that are governing us into ruin...
Fascism is really socialism, there is just a thin veneer of ‘ownership’. The state runs you de facto by heavy regulation. It tells you what to do.
In some ways it’s worse than socialism because under fascism, all the ‘negatives’ of private property (being responsible for your bills, having to pay business taxes, paying property taxes) are yours, at the same time the government tells you how to run your business and you can’t say no. At the same time the fascist government can proudly proclaim they are all for private business and that anyone cna have a private business and make as much as they want to make. Total hypocrisy.
They are fascists, tried and true.
But tyrants none the less.
Cf. also Hitler's speech to the Nazi party congress at Nurnberg on 1st May 1927, wherein he says clearly that he is not concerned with who owns a business or a factory, that ''our socialism goes much deeper''.
By the classical usage, the Kenyan is a fascist.
You are correct that Obama is a socialist, however you are incorrect in stating that he is not in fact a fascist .
Fascism is a form of socialism. Yes at the current time the United States Federal govt. is in fact trying to gain control of key industries in this nation but not unquestioned ownership , the reason is very simple.
If govt. owns the industry, when they run it into the ground their is no readily available scapegoat.
Fascism also has a very large healthy dose of identity politics blended in with it . Socialism is internationalist ie Workers of the world unite fascism is more nationalist or group oriented ie race/ethnic/nationalistic. Obama can be both a fascist & a socialist.
Obama can be both a fascist & a socialist.
Exactly right!
What do the Communists want you to believe is inevitable Communism or socialism?
If you study Marx' Communist Manifesto you will find that in essence Marx said the proletarian revolution would establish the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat.
To achieve the SOCIALIST dictatorship of the proletariat, three things would have to be accomplished:
(I) The elimination of all right to private property;
(2) The dissolution of the family unit; and
(3) Destruction of what Marx referred to as the "opiate of the people," religion.
Marx went on to state that when the dictatorship of the proletariat had accomplished these three things throughout the world, and after some undetermined length of time ..... the all powerful state' would miraculously wither away and state socialism would give way to Communism. You wouldn't need any government at all. Everything would be peace, sweetness and light and everybody would live happily ever after.
But first, all Communists must work to establish SOCIALISM. The drive to establish SOCIALISM, not Communism, is at the core of everything the Communists and the Insiders do.
Marx and all of his successors in the Communist movement have ordered their followers to work on building SOCIALISM.
"The goal of socialism is communism."
Vladimir Lenin
Caesar (your name reminds of him) was the original fascist. BHO is more like Castro, Chavez, Morales, and Ortega, our own hemisphere’s leading socialists.
I think the closest we had to fascism as I understand it was Huey Long and Fr. Coughlin. BHO reminds me more of Stalin and Mao.
Socialism -
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
2 b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Communism -
1 a: a theory advocating elimination of private property 1 b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 a: a doctrine based upon revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that is the official ideology of the U.S.S.R.
2 b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production with the professed aim of establishing a stateless society
2 c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equally
Fascism -
1: the body of principles held by Fascisti
2: a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and race and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Yup.
But the real lie that is not said, is that the leaders in the socialist movement, know that communism (as idealized where nobody is in charge because everyone is in charge and everyone owns everything) is impossible to achieve. They know this, and therefore there will always be a need for an Inner Party who control everything and the 95% of the proles who are not in the Inner Party. So they know in their hearts it is not achievable while telling the masses it is and to work harder for it. They always know they will never have to give up power because communism can never happen.
someone said socialism is the economic arm of communism - so true
Recently I remembered a conversation with my 2 children when they were in high school. They were waxing eloquently about the attributes of communism. The later part of your sentence was my response adding that it had failed everywhere it was tried. They insisted that "pure" communism could be achieved if we tried and we could then live the utopian life.
I'm going to remember that. Short, sweet and right on point! Thanks.
Too true, That kind of govt control and the Constitution cannot coexist. What ever they are called, they are all a bunch of control freaks.
Get back to us when his Brownshirt movement is fully under way.
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According to dictionary.com when you look up the word fascism there is also a strong emphasis on nationalism and racism which is one of the things that separates fascism from socialism. Most socialists I am familiar with—including BHO—are not nationalists but are internationalists. Nationalist Socialist are, well, you know...
BHO is a statist. I suspect he is not very concerned with the ideology behind his statism. He is just concerned with advancing the state vis-a-vis the non-government.
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