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Why no Mexican Genes in Mexican Swine Flu?
Greg's Blog ^ | April 28, 2007 | Greg C.

Posted on 04/28/2009 7:41:03 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

An analysis of the the phylogenic tree (the component strains) present in the current swine flu cases in Texas and California show no identifiable components of Mexican origin.

The H1 protein (hemagglutinin) shows evidence from past cases from Korea, China and Turkey as well as Indiana, Minnesota, Ohio and Kansas.

The N1 protein (neuraminidase) shows evidence of having come from China, Hong Kong, Mongolia, Hokkaido, Japan, Chonburi and Chachoengsao (Thailand) and Italy.

Figure 1 shows the phylogenic tree of the H1 protein (hemagglutinin) of the U.S. strain of the current influenza virus.

Figure 2 shows the phylogenic tree of the N1 protein (neuraminidase) of the current...

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: flu; genes; mexico; swine

1 posted on 04/28/2009 7:41:04 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013
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To: FreedomFighter1013

One explanation for no Mexican origin in a flu ostensibly originating in Mexico: It’s a man-made strain purposely released among the populace.


2 posted on 04/28/2009 7:43:18 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: Smokin' Joe

swine flu ping ..


3 posted on 04/28/2009 7:44:35 AM PDT by DvdMom
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To: FreedomFighter1013

4 posted on 04/28/2009 7:46:27 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Hmm. That’s certainly interesting. The first place it was diagnosed was in the US near San Diego, where (IIRC) it was thought to be an Asian swine flu until more thoroughly analyzed. I think it was first identified by the Navy’s health service, which monitors things like this very closely. Someone posted an interesting article a couple of days ago on this.

Interesting that there’s so much Northern Midwest presence in it. I didn’t even realize it was possible to break it down to that level.


5 posted on 04/28/2009 7:48:19 AM PDT by livius
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Obama’s election was guaranteed by the perfect storm of market crash etc., in september. Now, 3 months into his administration, this pops up. Given that genetic manipulation is a reality, I am unwilling to discount any non-coincidence theory at this point.


6 posted on 04/28/2009 7:49:26 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping (Thanks, DvdMom!)


7 posted on 04/28/2009 7:50:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Swine Flu!

8 posted on 04/28/2009 7:50:44 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013
The answer is easy, It's all Bush's Fault! /sarc
9 posted on 04/28/2009 7:51:16 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Ahithophel

“One explanation for no Mexican origin in a flu ostensibly originating in Mexico: It’s a man-made strain purposely released among the populace.”

Hmmm. Well, it is an explanation. However, with airplanes that can put an infected person into a country on the other side of the world within 14 hours, it is not a terribly likely scenario.

Occam’s Razor, google it.

Regards!


10 posted on 04/28/2009 7:53:37 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

If I made a custom-made bug to kill off a segment of mankind - why would I release it in Mexico, where TIME would eventually transmit it across the world (ie. Cancun, Coszomel, et. al.) largely though tourism? First off, the likely carriers will be young, fit, college people on spring break - these kids have great immunity, and a large portion will resist the bug. This bug would then spread from Mexico (and invade other countries indiscriminately).

If I made a bug, I’d release it in a busy US airport hub(O’Hare, Denver, Houston, Salt Lake), where I’d likely get a HUGE and sudden domestic infection rate. The age group in a typical airport consists of young families travelling, businessmen (who are older, and typically not in the prime of their life), the elderly. A good cross-section; each dispersing to infect a very wide area.

The entire goal, is to cripple your target, consume his resources, demoralize and weaken your target. Mexico is a lousy target. They are not densely populated, they have no economic, military or manufacturing backbone to break. Face it, without the US holding that backbone in place, it would break by itself solely due to the corrupton inherent in Mexican politics.

Sorry, I don’t buy it.


11 posted on 04/28/2009 7:58:52 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

There are no Mexican genes because Mexico has never been identified as a source of influenza before. You have to have a history before you point back to a gene or virus and say it’s similar to a previous one.

These genes don’t have a nationality in any event.


12 posted on 04/28/2009 7:59:13 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Hodar

“Sorry, I don’t buy it.”

Devil’s advocate -

What if that is not the intent?

Suppose the intent is to use this bug to create a public sense of panic? In panic mode, western governments get a good bit more leeway to do whatever they want. I can see considerable benefit to the administration in adding another notch on the panic meter already impacting the US tax sheep.

These people (europeans too) want to literally remake the world economic system, after all.


13 posted on 04/28/2009 8:01:49 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: FreedomFighter1013

The N1 protein (neuraminidase) shows evidence of having come from China, Hong Kong, Mongolia, Hokkaido, Japan, Chonburi and Chachoengsao (Thailand) and Italy.

Thailand?


14 posted on 04/28/2009 8:08:13 AM PDT by billygoatgruff
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To: WoofDog123

If the intent is to induce a panic; they have to do more than a couple dozen deaths. SARS failed to induce a panic, and I am not worried about this flu (at this point).

When we start seeing thousands or millions of deaths - then we’ll see something. Personally, I find it amazing that the Democrats feel that this does not justify closing the border, or building the fence. I hope this backfires on them; their oath of office states, quite clearly, that they are to defend the Constitution and the people of the USA. They have raped the Constitution, and are leaving the border wide open to allow any disease in Mexico to travel unimpeded to the US.


15 posted on 04/28/2009 8:08:39 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: livius

One of us Minnesotans probably brought it down there during our spring break vacation.
We have lots of birds and pigs. Height of flu season too.
Minnesotans just don’t die from it.


16 posted on 04/28/2009 8:10:02 AM PDT by toast
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To: toast

Ya sure you betcha.

I read on another thread that the Mexican index case was a pakistani. I wish I’d bookmarked it, can’t find it now.


17 posted on 04/28/2009 8:17:47 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 99 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Hodar

Not if the DBM runs with it and turns it into a panic. It has been a headline story the last two days here in the Indianapolis paper even though we have had no known cases here yet, and Oprah is doing her whole show today on the “KILLER FLU”. This is how you take an innocuous flu bug and use it to stampede a world into panic.


18 posted on 04/28/2009 8:35:28 AM PDT by redangus
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To: redangus

agreed. the wall-to-wall coverage to date far exceeds what seems to be justified based on available data.


19 posted on 04/28/2009 8:38:57 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: FreedomFighter1013

We had a call last night from our school district about the “flu pandemic.” The recording told us nothing specific about measures they’d take, only that they were “watching the situation closely” and that they would keep us informed.

The recording also made mention that the district’s head nurse has just returned from a seminar on this very topic. My wife just raised her eyebrows and shook her head. That struck us both as a little odd.

The local news last night covered the SWINE FLU PANDEMIC (their emphasis, not mine). It looks like we’re getting ramped up for something; probably the left hand trying to distract us from what the right hand is doing.


20 posted on 04/28/2009 8:46:01 AM PDT by ronnyquest ("That's what governments are for, to get in a man's way.")
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To: null and void
Here: Mexican index case?
21 posted on 04/28/2009 8:54:18 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 99 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Hodar

If I were a conspiracy believer I would say that with Obama wanting to pass nationalized health care, Mexico would be the pefect choice. This is a relatively mild form of the flu, according to Fox news. Mexico would probably have more deaths because of more poor people and less health care. NEWSMAKER. Then it would of course cross into the US. The in the tank MSM would then cover it 24/7, even though there have been 0 deaths, and really very few cases in the US. If any one does die, they will most likely be poor people that can be used as examples of people Obama would have saved, if we only had Nationalized Health Care. Crises created... don’t let it go to waste.


22 posted on 04/28/2009 9:00:53 AM PDT by pnut22
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To: Ahithophel

After reading the article, it’s hard not to come to that conclusion.


23 posted on 04/28/2009 9:13:38 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee ( Yeah, I'll help you buy some real estate)
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To: toomuchcoffee

I read the article, but lack background to make judgment on how odd the combination of genetic attributes is. Is this something which could occur naturally, or is it by definition presumed impossible/highly improbable and thus likely man-made?


24 posted on 04/28/2009 9:16:21 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Hodar

Dang! it’ll take thousands or millions of deaths to get your attention? You’re tough!


25 posted on 04/28/2009 9:17:07 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee ( Yeah, I'll help you buy some real estate)
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To: toomuchcoffee
Dang! it’ll take thousands or millions of deaths to get your attention? You’re tough!

No, I'm reasonably good at math.

Consider, population of Mexico is ~109 Million Link

And today, about 1,000 people are in the hospital, so using my trusty slide-rule we do some division and come out with 0.0009% of the population requiring hospitalization. If 1 million people died in Mexico, with their poor medical care; that would still be less than 1%. So what? Big deal. That means that with 1 million deaths, I have better than a 99% chance of survival with no medical care.

When we get to 10+% fatalities - then I'll be concerned. This is nothing more than media hype.

26 posted on 04/28/2009 9:24:37 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: toast

I don’t think it originated in Minnesota, but I wonder why that area (not close to Mexico!) showed up in it. I’m still amazed that they can determine the “travels” of the virus down to that level.


27 posted on 04/28/2009 9:54:51 AM PDT by livius
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To: FreedomFighter1013

Obama’s excuse to declare martial law.


28 posted on 04/28/2009 9:56:48 AM PDT by Jewbacca (Yes, I am very hairy and good with small arms.)
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To: Hodar

“When we get to 10+% fatalities - then I’ll be concerned. This is nothing more than media hype. “

In a way, that was my point. This is a HUGE media event, and it is beginning to impact a few civil functions in the US. There is tremendous public interest in this, far beyond likely % odds of any person getting this virus, based on what is known now.


29 posted on 04/28/2009 10:05:34 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Hodar

There is one more possibility in favor of releasing it in Mexico rather than in the US directly. If they released it in the US, it may have been identified faster and contained. By releasing it in Mexico, the virus has a chance to spread well before governments react to it. By the time it’s realized that this is a threat, it’s too late.

At least, that’s actually what happened.


30 posted on 04/28/2009 3:44:04 PM PDT by Marie
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To: Hodar
The entire goal, is to cripple your target, consume his resources, demoralize and weaken your target. Mexico is a lousy target.

Going with a bioweapon theory and playing devil's advocate.

1) Bad health infrastructure. (unlike say ... Canada)
2) Cripple Mexico outright and where to they run to? USA
3) That either cripples the USA with health cases (PC wins) or starts a ground war along the southern USA as the US militarizes the border and shoots plague carriers (non-PC wins)
4) March - April ... tourist season and infected people catch it and return to countries of origin.
5) How many arabs and/or asians are actually going to vacation IN Mexico of all places??
6) Mexico is not exactly known for its wonderful intelligence and investigation capabilities. And it's territorial to a fault if the USA wants to backtrack a possible bioweapon. 7) Easier to infiltrate than USA (this is debateable)

Mexico would make the PERFECT springboard to infect the USA with a bioweapon.

31 posted on 04/28/2009 3:56:06 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: Polarik

Ping for your intel on this thread .... Why no Mexican genes?


32 posted on 04/28/2009 4:34:44 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: Centurion2000

Read this post of mine.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2239787/posts

Pigs are required to combine the Avian, Swine, and human influenza into a hybrid that can pass itself from human to human.

I have no doubt that this was created in a lab, and dumped in the worst pig stye in Mexico.

Launching in Mexico makes a lot of sense from a terrorist’s point of view because (a) Mexico City is one of most densely populated placs on Earth - so right there you have the potential to infect a lot of people in a short amount of time.

If this thing spreads up through Northern Mexico, the infected illegals will br running over our border looking for medical care. Bingo! US national emergency requiring troops at the border.


33 posted on 04/28/2009 7:19:34 PM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: Centurion2000; LucyT

FROM PROMED

Raul Rabadan, PhD
Assistant Professor
Department of Biomedical Informatics
Center for Computational Biology and Bioinformatics
Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons
1130 St. Nicholas Ave

My group and I are analyzing the recent sequences from the isolates in
Texas and California of swine H1N1 deposited in National Center for
Biotechnology Information (NCBI)

The preliminary analysis using all the sequences in public databases
(NCBI) suggests that all segments are of swine origin. NA and MP seem
related to Asian/European swine and the rest to North American swine
(H1N2 and H3N2 swine viruses isolated since 1998). There is also
interesting substratification between these groups, suggesting a
multiple reassortment.

We are puzzled about sources of information that affirm that the
virus is a reassortment of avian, human and swine viruses. It is true
that the H3N2 swine virus from 1998 and 1999 is a triple reassortant,
but all the related isolates are found since then in swine.


34 posted on 04/28/2009 8:19:14 PM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: Polarik
I have no doubt that this was created in a lab, and dumped in the worst pig stye in Mexico.

Got it .... now how do you prove that it was made in a lab?

Hate playing devil's advocate, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Serious question btw.

35 posted on 04/28/2009 9:13:22 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: Centurion2000; LucyT
Here is an exerpt from the comment made by AdmSmith:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2239276/posts?page=26#25

The present virus has the following 8 components in its RNA, with origin:

PB2 Avian North America PB1 Human circa 1993 PA Swine Eurasia +/- HA Swine North America NP Swine Eurasia +/- NA Swine Eurasia MP Swine Eurasia NS Swine Eurasia +/-

Mixtures of these RNA components do not occur by accident.

Who might have done this? Baxter International Inc Hat tip to Scythian for this info:

Baxter, a biochemical & pharmaceutical corporation located near Chicago, was found to have shipped live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?

Guess which company has already started working on a vaccine for swine flu? If you guessed, Baxter, then you guessed right. But, they're not the only ones suddenly working on a vaccine. Xenova Biomanufacturing is another possible suspect here.

Here's the Swine Flu case map


36 posted on 04/29/2009 9:00:33 AM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever)
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To: Habibi
“One explanation for no Mexican origin in a flu ostens“One explanation for no Mexican origin in a flu ostensibly originating in Mexico: It’s a man-made strain purposely released among the populace.”

Hmmm. Well, it is an explanation. However, with airplanes that can put an infected person into a country on the other side of the world within 14 hours, it is not a terribly likely scenario.

Occam's Razor, google it.

Thanks for making my point. Occam's Razor, as you know, holds that researchers should avoid "stacking" information to prove a theory if a simpler explanation fits the observations. If I follow your theory, (1) the flu originated on the other side of the world; (2) from conditions unrelated to anything in Mexico; (3) and infected someone in this unspecified original location; (4) who decided to fly (5) without first infecting anyone else at the point of origin (6) to Mexico (7) where s/he infected others.

An alternative scenario is that (1) the flu strain was man made and (2) purposely released among the populace in Mexico.

Best, A

37 posted on 04/30/2009 3:54:24 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: Ahithophel

“An alternative scenario is that (1) the flu strain was man made...”

Umm.... No, choice A does not follow, any more than Martians produced the virus. There is no proof for it, nor is there factual support for such a statement.

On the other hand, it’s a crackerjack theory for sure. . Though I think the this particular flu virus may be kinda’ lame, as pandemic virii go. I’ll bet/hope it’s not up to the 1918 variety. If you haven’t read it yet, there’s a couple of books (probably available at your library), “Flu : the story of the great influenza pandemic of 1918 and the search for the virus that caused it” and “America’s forgotten pandemic : the influenza of 1918”. They’re both good reads. I guess we’ll see how nasty this one is fairly soon.


38 posted on 04/30/2009 8:52:43 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: Habibi
. . . . Martians produced the virus.

Now that's a crackerjack theory, not yours I understand, but a real crackerjack theory nonetheless. Nothing can be ruled out in these most interesting times ;)

39 posted on 04/30/2009 10:31:21 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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