Skip to comments.Why the Indians (Native Americans)couldn't maintain their nation
Posted on 05/09/2009 10:22:40 AM PDT by big black dog
I just watched an old Hollywood movie and the answer was obvious. Their defense technique was just to ride around in circles while even women and children took pot shots at them picking them off.
They never had a chance. What idiots.
Like the same strategy the Brits had, all dressed in red and march in a straight line. Remember that Cosby routine?
Some say it was alcohol and disease that killed the Indians but I say it was a bad relief pitching.
The Maxim gun
And they have not.
The only idiots are those who study battle tactic from movies.
Kind of like the Palestinians throwing rocks at tanks and apc’s.
Demographics are destiny.
What you saw was a Hollywood Vision of the Indian Wars. My ancestors were old Indian Fighters. The truth was you would never see an Indian until the sunk an arrow into someone. They lost because they were divided into tribes. When ever they worked together they could win victories (Like Little Big Horn)but, they fought among themselves, some even worked with the White Man to undermine their “enemies” and so lost as well. There is a lesson here. United we stand, divided we fall.
Someone needs to turn off the tube and read up on Crazy Horse, Geronimo, and others' tactics. Sheesh!
Speaking of baseball, there’s an old, now suppressed, story of Tigers who do that turning into butter.
Right. You should study the posts here.
They could have won it all in ‘97 if Jose Mesa had done his job and got the save in Game 7.
“The only idiots are those who study battle tactic from movies.”
That’s a fact. More could be learned here. (assuming some actually want to learn something):
We Shall Remain - PBS American Experience
“What you saw was a Hollywood Vision of the Indian Wars. My ancestors were old Indian Fighters. The truth was you would never see an Indian until the sunk an arrow into someone. They lost because they were divided into tribes. When ever they worked together they could win victories (Like Little Big Horn)but, they fought among themselves, some even worked with the White Man to undermine their enemies and so lost as well. There is a lesson here. United we stand, divided we fall.”
When was the movie filmed 1940? Many different tribes had advanced fighting techniques. However, it would be difficult to win against superior weapons and disease.
I finished Centennial and it has a segment on how the Indians did indeed fight each other.
It would be a real shame if a member of FR allowed himself to be deluded and ignorant because of Hollywood. Many of us are conservative, traditional Americans.
So, are you going to come back and discuss, or are you just trying to be “cute”?
That and the superior guns that the Old West had that could kill 20 indians for every shot fired.
“Demographics are destiny.”
And Europe (and even us) will soon discover how true that is.
Knowing that we should be able to control it, but most of us are asleep and by the time we wake up it’ll be too late.
Disease was the biggest killer of the Indians. They did not have any immunity or defense against common white man diseases.
I had a Brit explain that one to me. He said the red coat was used so if a shoulder was shot the enemy would not know.
Guerrilla tactics that colonists learned from Indians during the French And Indian War helped Americans win the Revolutionary War.
Illegal Immigration has always been a problem. Just ask the Indians.
You’re assuming that an old Hollywood movie accurately depicts the battle tactics of tribal groups. I would imagine that the film director would choose the battle tactics that best fit his movie.
Remember “Blazing Saddles?”
It was hysterical when they met up with the injuns.
I was gonna say - Hollywood isn’t exactly known for historical accuracy.
“Illegal Immigration has always been a problem. Just ask the Indians.”
Absolutely. The biggest problem for the Indian is the same problem we have....US leaders who refuse to use the rule of law and instead rule by special interests. History does indeed repeat itself. We consider ourselves ‘land owners’...but the government owns our homes by way of taxation, regulation, etc. just as they did to the Indian and we’re just as vulnerable to losing our culture and homes as the Indian was.
Chief Sitting Bull this is Custer, Custer Sitting Bull, call the toss Cus. Cus called heads it’s tails, you lose Cus. ha. What do you want to do Bull? Bull says they will kick off. Bull says for you to take all your men down to the valley and remain in a circle while he and all the Indians in the world ride down on you.
“The only idiots are those who study battle tactic from movies.”
Hear, hear, touche’ and all that jazz.
I called Jacobs Field today, asking for the start time for today’s game.
They asked me what time could I get there?
Did you get to see the PBS series now airing, “We shall remain”? They actually did a pretty good job on this.
Centennial should be required reading for anyone wanting to move to Colorado. I lived there several years before the book came out and never knew why the natives there acted as they did until I read it.
Fiction but it splanes a lot.
The red coats (and every other variety of bright uniforms) served as communication devices. All immediate control of battlefield formations was visual, and the colors allowed distant commanders knowledge of unit movements and integrity.
Bad dog. No biscuit.
For 'stoneage technology' Native Americans were pretty good at adopting advanced weaponry & even some tactics for their best employment.
The tribes of the interior probably could have held out indefinitely were it not for the railroads/telegraph and the strategic mobility that this lent to the European/Americans.
Plus when 1 side is willing to wipe-out your food stocks & hunt you in your winter encampments, it's pretty much 'Game Over' no matter how much you might outmaneuver your opponent.
They were doomed by their primitive culture. They hadn’t yet “discovered” the wheel and they had no written language for starters.
And the best part was that the enemy commanders weren't likewise able to exploit that visual information, because... uh, um.
They also ate each other. Truly........
I think you hit the nail on the head. The Indian tribes fought valiantly, and they had advantages of knowing the terrain, and being masterful guerilla fighters. Not to mention the pretty effective terror techniques that some tribes employed, which, although distasteful, certainly had the desired effect.
However, they faced an enemy the likes of which they had never encountered, and I think their culture didn’t have the time to react and adapt to it. They did adapt western technology and knowledge when it was useful to them, but without a real overhaul, their society was too decentralized to make an effective resistance.
Throughout history, the only time I can think of primarily nomadic cultures defeating agrarian-urban cultures was when the nomads had a clear technological, numerical, or strategic advantage; otherwise it was only a temporary opportunistic victory when the settled civillizations had been weakened due to things like prior wars, internal upheavals, famines, etc.
“They were doomed by their primitive culture. “
Wouldn’t it be nice if such problems could be boiled down to such a simple explanation?
How about those Indians who became more prosperous and better educated than their white neighbors?
What doomed the Indian is what doomed any culture. A more powerful culture bent on having what they want at any cost.
History does repeat itself. When the sovereign US citizen ceases to exist, I’m sure the Muslim/whatever culture takes over will say we were doomed by our ‘primitive culture’ as well.
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