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In Hawaii in 1961, there were three different birth certificates
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Posted on 05/12/2009 11:46:25 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

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To: cycle of discernment

Go after his college records.


61 posted on 05/12/2009 2:16:02 PM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: Beckwith; Gemsbok; Fred Nerks

Thanks for the confirmation, Beckwith.

Gemsbok, check out post #57, no need for a further search.


62 posted on 05/12/2009 2:24:47 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Electric Graffiti

Stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas so, she was 18 when she left Cuba.

I have some Cuban friends. I will work on this!

The Embargo: The Foreign Assistance Act (Pub.L. 87-195, 75 Stat. 424, enacted September 4, 1961, 22 U.S.C. § 2151 et seq.) is a United States Act of Congress.


63 posted on 05/12/2009 2:28:35 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: freedomlover

FYI.

http://www.hillarysvillage.net/showthread.php?t=4560

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2172416/posts

See #39


64 posted on 05/12/2009 2:39:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: WellyP; LucyT

Barak’s father—Vanity
an email | october 29, 2008 | Oswaldo F. Hernandez-Campos

Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27:52 AM by Fawn

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2124007/posts


65 posted on 05/12/2009 3:01:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: BigEdLB
Why on earth is Barry fighting this so much.

I can only say this. If I personally were President of the United States and the liberals were trying to use an analogous situation in my past I would refuse to cooperate just to piss them off and make them run around in little circles screaming and yelling. Especially if the conservatives who voted for me did not care about the issue the slightest bit. Especially if the news media didn't care about it one bit. Especially if I had a billionaire who was willing to pick up the tab on the legal fees for me. I'd do it just to keep them pissed off and screaming.

Then if it ever got to the point that I actually had to produce the birth certificate, bingo, I whip it out and make all the liberals look like jackasses.

Since I believe that His Zero-ness was actually born in Hawaii(as unhappy as that fact makes me), I believe that this is what he is doing.

If any one of you can actually prove he was born in another country to someone other than Stanley Ann Dunham, please do so. I will be forever grateful. But I'm not holding my breath.

66 posted on 05/12/2009 3:09:31 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Lesson #1 from Battlestar Galactica: Never turn your back on your toaster.)
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To: cycle of discernment

obumpa


67 posted on 05/12/2009 3:57:35 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: rreahsito
The “Original” birth certificate that “O” posted on his campaign site had “Date filed by Registrar” as August 8, 1961, so I wouldn’t see how he could get by with going over as an adult to create what was supposedly in existence in 1961.

If it is a "delayed" or "unattended" type certificate, then it's possible that he was born earlier, maybe not too much earlier, than the certificate says. Also possibly not where the certificate says. If his original certificate shows his grandmother as witness, rather than an attending physician or midwife, and birth in someplace other than a hospital, that would be somewhat suspecious. His mother and grandmother would not have falsified the application so that he could be natural born, and eligible to the office of President, but rather so he could be a citizen at all, since IF he was born outside the country and IF his father was not a citizen (which he was not IF he was Barack H. Obama Sr.) then he was not a citizen at birth, provided his parents were married, since his mother did not then meet the criteria for passing on US citizenship to her offspring. (She did by the time his half sister was born) In 1961, even left wing types still saw advantages to being an American citizen.

68 posted on 05/12/2009 4:10:32 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Devils Avocado
It occurs to me that maybe it's in his best interest not to. Sure, maybe he was secretly born in Kenya, but a vast conspiracy of people who wanted him to become President 47 years later placed a birth announcement in the newspaper, and then conspired with Hawaiian record-keeping agencies, hitherto non-partisan, to risk their quiet, bookish careers to lie about the records they have on file.

It would not take a "vast conspiracy", just his mother or grandmother filing an unattended birth certificate. That would generate the announcement in the papers(plural) and produce the exact same "Certification" that was posted. The reason they would do that would be to make him a citizen, not so he could become President 47 years later. They'd need to do that because at the time of his birth, his mother was not eligible to pass on citizenship, if he was born outside the country to a foreign national father, not having lived in the US for a sufficient number of years (5) after her 14th birthday, since she was not yet 19.

69 posted on 05/12/2009 4:16:42 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
We have all figured out that it is very likely Obama, Sr. is not and could not have been Bambi's genetic father. Most of us assume Obama, Sr. signed the birth certificate to cover for Hot Pants Annie getting prego by another black man. We will never know what it cost the Dunham family to get Obama, Sr. to sign. He sure as Hell got out of town as fast as he could!

It appears that unknowingly, Obama, Sr. did us a big favor by passing on British Citizenship at birth to Jr., making it impossible for him to be a NBC.

70 posted on 05/12/2009 4:34:52 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Las Vegas Ron
She wouldn't need to go through that. The child would be a US citizen because the mother was, though not natural born.

Not if born outside the country, in 1961, with an 18 y/o mother and non-citizen father. In such cases, that is non-citizen father, and born outside the country, the US citizen mother must have resided in the US for a certain number of years, and another number of those must have been after her 14th birthday. In 1961 the latter number was 5 years, Stanley Ann was only 18, and thus failed that criteria. (It's now 2 years, but the law at the time of birth is what counts).

So, if he was born outside the country, and hasn't been naturalized, he's not only not natural born, he's not a citizen. But if he has been naturalized, then while he was OK as Senator, and would be OK as Illinois governor, he's not OK as President.

71 posted on 05/12/2009 4:45:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: antiRepublicrat
easier to fake a Hawaiian birth by putting an announcement in the paper and submitting for a certificate of birth.

Filing for the certificate, with a falsified place and date of birth, would generate the announcement in the paper.

72 posted on 05/12/2009 4:49:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
he's not OK as President.

Amen to that.

I've seen different versions of that law but either way and anyway you look at it, he's a fraud.

We've been duped in the highest mannor.

73 posted on 05/12/2009 4:54:53 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
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To: rreahsito
>>>so I wouldn’t see how he could get by with going over as an adult to create what was supposedly in existence in 1961.

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....could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person

It doesn't say it had to be him. Just an adult.

74 posted on 05/12/2009 5:05:52 PM PDT by fanfan (God, Bless America, please.)
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To: Electric Graffiti
The United States Library of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collections of Internet materials

Wow! Excellent.
75 posted on 05/12/2009 5:11:20 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: Cheburashka
If any one of you can actually prove he was born in another country to someone other than Stanley Ann Dunham, please do so. I will be forever grateful

Why to "someone other than..."? Stanley Ann was young enough when BHO was born, that she could not pass US Citizenship to him, under the law as it existed in 1961. Only if (1) He was born in the US or (2)His parents were not married at the time, would he have been a citizen at birth. Since there are divorce papers that seem to indicate that Stanley Ann was married to BHO Sr at the time of his birth, condition (2) is not satisfied. (Doesn't matter if BHO Sr was not really his biological father).

76 posted on 05/12/2009 5:36:45 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Because Obama, Sr. was not a permanent resident or a U.S. Citizen when he signed the papers (and got out of town) he DID pass on AUTOMATIC British Citizenship to BAMBI! FUBO!
77 posted on 05/12/2009 5:47:46 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: Devils Avocado; LucyT; null and void; Polarik
You present a very good argument for the deception that Obama may be attempting allowing this little matter of his eligibility to continue, providing time for him to pass legislation truly damaging to society and the country, and our political system. It's true that some are looking at his right hand moving (or more accurately, his lips moving) and missing what he does with his left; that implies conspiracy....on the part of Obama and his handlers.

There wasn't a conspiracy in Honolulu in 1961 to produce a CoLB for young Barry so he could be president. His maternal grandmother faced facts when her wayward daughter came home with a child in tow and used the existing laws and her own management and manipulation abilities to secure an identity and citizenship for the kid. (I have no knowledge that can prove or disprove Obama's place of birth and neither does he. It could be anywhere since his grandmother secured for him a 'Straggler's birth certificate).

The Birth Certificate issue has nothing to do with conspiracy. However, the CoLB published was phony. His autobiographies were fiction and his education, travel, Selective Service number, changes in citizenship missing or undisclosed. These are the minutia in this politician's resume that suggest fraud.

What Obama faces if discovery is allowed in any of the court cases challenging his eligibility (discovery prior to any indictment or trial....look it up) is criminal fraud, mail fraud, FEC violations and probably a list of RICO violations longer than your arm.

I think it ridiculous that Obama's legal defense argues before the courts that Discovery would be 'embarassing'. Think that over.
78 posted on 05/12/2009 9:37:03 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: Devils Avocado

Since when do someone with a Phd in Philosphy and someone with an M.A. in English Lit qualify as document examiners? Also did you not read the stories behind the “birth announcements” which appeared in the Sunday, August 13, 1961 “Honolulu Advertiser” and the Wednesday, August 16, 1961 edition of “The Star Bulletin” list an address which was not related to either the Dunham family OR to Obama Sr? You must have missed both of those stories when they appeared, the same way you missed the testimony of the neighbor of the listed birth announcement home who swore that there had never been a young white woman and colored baby ever live at that home at any time. The neighbor had lived there since before 1960.


79 posted on 05/12/2009 10:16:46 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: freedomlover

Did you ever stop to think that the mere fact of registering the birth generated the birth announcement in the paper and served as a way to “protect a wayward daughter’s honor” while serving as a beginningof a story to build on when that mother returned to HI with a young boy a few years later? I can hear it now, “Isn’t it a shame Ann’s marriage didn’t work out and she is left to raise the baby on her own?”
Grandma’s co-worker’s didn’t even know she was a grandma until Jr returned to HI to attend Punahou and he stopped in at the bank to wait for a drive home. Pretty amazing to keep quiet about having a grandson for 10 years don’t you think? Grandpa was his constant companion when he and Ann returned to HI in 1963 while grandma earned the money!


80 posted on 05/12/2009 10:27:15 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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