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Shock: Barack Obama co-opts top 2012 Republican to be his ambassador to China
Telegraph Blogs (U.K.) ^ | May 16, 2009 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 05/17/2009 12:42:35 AM PDT by Schnucki

This is a very clever move by President Barack Obama. He's chosen Governor Jon Huntsman of Utah as his ambassador to China.

A Republican, former ambassador to Singapore and fluent Mandarin speaker, Huntsman has recently staked out centrist stances on gay rights, climate change and stimulus spending. He'd made clear his contempt for the Republican congressional leadership, saying: "I have not met them. I don't listen or read whatever it is they say because it is inconsequential - completely."

That made him the best-placed moderate Republican to challenge for the 2012 presidential nomination. By any analysis, at this stage a 2012 Republican victory looks like an uphill struggle. Mitt Romney - a former moderate who's now positioned himself firmly on the Right - is probably the front runner with governors Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota also likely to run.

Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana appears to be biding his time until 2016 while the soap opera storyline of Sarah Palin;s family and her virtual estrangement from the national GOP make her look a long shot.

Huntsman probably calculated that he would not win in 2012 even if he did manage to secure the nomination. Much better, he would have reasoned, to wait out 2012, gain some major foreign policy experience while not being linked to Obama's domestic policies and have a chance in 2016.

Like the Conservative party in Britain after 1997, it looks to be a long road back for Republicans so taking a time out is likely to be a shrewd decision for someone like Huntsman.

What does Obama gain? It's a concrete example of bipartisanship, he peels off a Republican moderate and therefore shifts the party's centre of gravity further to the Right - which is where Democrats want it),

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; agenda; bhochina; china; huntsman; obama; palin; rino; rinoromney; romney; romneyisking; utah
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1 posted on 05/17/2009 12:42:36 AM PDT by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

“the soap opera storyline of Sarah Palin’s family and her virtual estrangement from the national GOP make her look a long shot.”

How do these beasts sleep at night knowing how many lies they propagate?


2 posted on 05/17/2009 12:44:39 AM PDT by Jeb21 (www.jewsagainstobama.com)
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To: Schnucki

“That made him the best-placed moderate Republican to challenge for the 2012 presidential nomination. By any analysis, at this stage a 2012 Republican victory looks like an uphill struggle. “

Good. Put him in China. Clears the field for a conservative.


3 posted on 05/17/2009 12:45:10 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Schnucki

I never heard of this guy Huntsman. He must be quite a frontrunner.


4 posted on 05/17/2009 12:46:23 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Schnucki

oooooh, such a clever move, inspector Clouseau. As if Huntsman had any chance at all. Whoopeee doo.


5 posted on 05/17/2009 12:47:50 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Jeb21

>>How do these beasts sleep at night knowing how many lies they propagate?<<

Not to mention being ambassador to China under President Ford didn’t exactly hurt President Bush41.


6 posted on 05/17/2009 12:52:28 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Schnucki

Huntsman is a RINO. Loves his gay marriage if memory serves.


7 posted on 05/17/2009 12:53:10 AM PDT by GOP_Raider (Have you risen above your own public education today?)
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To: Schnucki

Huntsman would have a snowmans chance in hell.
An unknown lib.


8 posted on 05/17/2009 12:54:26 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Schnucki

From the Real Conservative Republican

Univ wrong to place prestige above principle “Palin weighs in”

Boston Herald ^ | 05-17-09 | Holly Robichaud

Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, a strong pro-life advocate, weighed in on the issue with me by e-mail:

“My favorite grandpa, Clem James Sheeran, was Catholic. Irish to the core, his favorite place (other than church) was Notre Dame.

I can’t imagine what he would think as the university recognizes someone who contradicts the core values of the Catholic faith by promoting an anti-life agenda.

As we learned today, our nation is more pro-life than ever before; it is a very important time to strengthen the message that every baby is created for good purpose and has the potential to make this world a better place.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1172807

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9 posted on 05/17/2009 12:55:33 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Jeb21

I don’t agree with the nastiness around Palin.

However, I don’t want her anywhere near the nomination in 2012 or 2016 or ever. She is not a strong conservative policy wonk. There are many stronger candidate alternatives.


10 posted on 05/17/2009 12:56:33 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

Fortunately, leaders make stronger candidates than wonks.


11 posted on 05/17/2009 12:59:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: indianrightwinger

There is no stronger candidate than Gov. Palin.
She is a policy person, and the experience to prove it.
Non of the other candidates drew crowds like she did, and gave her speech at the convention without a teleprompter as it broke earlier.


12 posted on 05/17/2009 1:00:19 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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Gov. Palin in Kuwait
13 posted on 05/17/2009 1:02:23 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; upchuck
Mitt Romney - a former moderate who's now positioned himself firmly on the Right - is probably the front runner with governors Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota also likely to run.

And of the three, the only actual conservative is Sanford.

14 posted on 05/17/2009 1:06:18 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Schnucki

Huntsman is doing the Dark Lord’s work, he’s come to destroy the Republican party.


15 posted on 05/17/2009 1:06:38 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: 9YearLurker

Anyone who think Palin has a prayer of winning the Whitehouse for the GOP is delusional at best.

I won’t argue. There is simply zero chance she will ever be a GOP nominee, let alone the POTUS.

I was excited about her too when she was picked as the VP candiate. Don’t get me wrong. She was treated unfairly and all that. However, I won’t be voting for her in the GOP primary battle.


16 posted on 05/17/2009 1:07:28 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: Schnucki

I never heard of this guy. Given what I read about him in this article, I am so thankful he became an Obama bot.

I don’t want him any where near the GOP primary race or the GOP for that matter.

Centrist? Who the hell needs one?

When a leftist like Obama can lie through and win an election, why can’t a right wing candidate?


17 posted on 05/17/2009 1:09:54 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: rabscuttle385

Gov. Palin is the true conservative, also believes in fighting the war against the IslamOfascists.
Her oldest son is fighting in Iraq.

Sandy like RINO Paul is not a believer in Fighting this war.


18 posted on 05/17/2009 1:09:57 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Schnucki

“the soap opera storyline of Sarah Palin’s family and her virtual estrangement from the national GOP make her look a long shot.”

HA! Keep telling yourselves that Palin hater/deriders.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 1:10:22 AM PDT by toddausauras
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To: indianrightwinger

You really don’t have a clue about her background or her daily work as gov. or you wouldn’t make the comment


20 posted on 05/17/2009 1:11:22 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: indianrightwinger

So who are you voting for ?


21 posted on 05/17/2009 1:11:58 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Schnucki

Right now, my bet is on Newt Gingrich getting in to the race. I think he would have a great chance at a nomination and Gingrich/Palin or Gingrich/Jindal would be very strong tickets with excellent prospects of a 16-year conservative Republican presidency.


22 posted on 05/17/2009 1:14:26 AM PDT by bluejay
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To: fieldmarshaldj

When it takes over two mins to answer that question, either an uninformed person or troll


23 posted on 05/17/2009 1:15:32 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: indianrightwinger

I wouldn’t rule out the possibility she wins the nomination—perhaps if Obama’s very popular and she doesn’t have strong competition for it—but you’re right about the general election.

Many on here, however, are living in their own little world where Palin is somehow popular with not just conservatives but most Americans.


24 posted on 05/17/2009 1:15:40 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: SoCalPol

Let’s see what they say. I’m quite curious.


25 posted on 05/17/2009 1:16:38 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Schnucki

This guy probably has a direct line to China.


26 posted on 05/17/2009 1:16:50 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: freekitty

He’s a Trojan Horse Democrat, that much we know.


27 posted on 05/17/2009 1:17:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SoCalPol

Why are her background and daily work as governor so relevant? I think we saw enough to make that judgment with reasonable confidence.

It may not be completely impossible for her to revamp her image with most Americans, but I don’t think it’s likely.


28 posted on 05/17/2009 1:18:05 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: SoCalPol

What a stupid thing to say.


29 posted on 05/17/2009 1:18:29 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Arguendo

I have several decades of following and being involved in politics to judge who is the better candidate.

I am ret. from the legal field with the County Attys.
Have been in the real world, not just books.


30 posted on 05/17/2009 1:19:55 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Arguendo

She doesn’t need to revamp her image.
It is the Left wing MSM trying to trash her.


31 posted on 05/17/2009 1:21:59 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

Exactly. And that fella still hasn’t answered me back.


32 posted on 05/17/2009 1:22:58 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

LOL! I often get either the no answer or I am still thinking about it.


33 posted on 05/17/2009 1:24:20 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

Oh, what was your prediction in 2006? 2008? I’m assuming you made some predictions on here, so I’d be interested in knowing how accurate they were.

I’m not sure how your legal experience is relevant to this, since neither of us is a professional in anything related to national politics.


34 posted on 05/17/2009 1:26:07 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Schnucki

Pro-abortion? Pro-gay-marriage? Probably buys into the AGW hoax, also.


35 posted on 05/17/2009 1:27:34 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (I voted for Palin once, and I will do it again if given the opportunity.)
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To: Arguendo

I also worked for Reagan when he first ran for Gov.

I don’t get into pissing contests with kids.


36 posted on 05/17/2009 1:30:35 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol
Here one poll that indicates it won't be easy for her: http://www.gallup.com/poll/111883/No-Clamoring-Palin-Become-National-Political-Figure.aspx

It might not be impossible, but it will be hard for her to recover from negatives that high. And whether or not you think she needs to revamp her image, obviously she does if she's going to appeal to a large share--perhaps even a majority--of Americans.

37 posted on 05/17/2009 1:31:48 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: SoCalPol; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; exit82; calcowgirl; djsherin; bamahead; ...
Gov. Palin is the true conservative, also believes in fighting the war against the IslamOfascists. Her oldest son is fighting in Iraq. Sandy like RINO Paul is not a believer in Fighting this war.

You're silly if you think that Paul--or any of the other "conservatarians"--is a RINO.

Aside from his positions with regard to the conduct of war, his belief in strict adherence to the Constitution as a means of limiting the power of our Government are far more "conservative" than the majority of Republicans, who seem to have gotten quite drunk on power under Bush. [And no, trying to deflect blame on the Democrats by pointing to Pelosi and Reid and arguing that they controlled Congress won't work here. The Republicans held control of Congress for six years, with a Republican president, and failed to follow through on any of their earlier promises to the electorate to actually shrink Government back within its Constitutionally delimited boundaries.]

Without the "conservatarians"--all you've got are social conservatives and hawks, neither of which is opposed to the expansion and consolidation of federal power so long as the exercise thereof serves their own ends.

Continue to ignore, berate, and belittle "conservatarians" like Paul at your own risk...but don't be surprised when you wake up one morning in a police state.

Now, with regard to Paul: if not for him--and folks like Mark Sanford--I would have given up on the conservative movement outright...since, after all, looking out for yourself first is a very "pragmatic" approach to life.

Oh, and by the way: if I wanted to vote for "charisma" I would have voted for 0bama. I want someone like Sanford who, despite a few flaws, is willing to unremittingly attack the size of Government. I don't care how charismatic they are. So, if all your faction has to present is Palin, then y'all are toast in 2012.

38 posted on 05/17/2009 1:35:45 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Arguendo

As far as Sanford, Mitt, Pawlenty and others they don’t stand a chance. Sandy looks and sounds like a funeral director, Pawlenty no better, Mitt flip flops more than a fish out of water.
He is sitting at home around 10 miles from me here in San Diego. He has 5 sons and not one has served in the military.


39 posted on 05/17/2009 1:36:30 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: All
...best-placed moderate Republican ...Governor Jon Huntsman of Utah...

Who?

40 posted on 05/17/2009 1:38:07 AM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: rabscuttle385; Jim Robinson

L Ron Paul is a RINO, he supports Third Party candidates.
His views in many areas are more to the left, one reason Cindy Sheehan supported him.

Check out the thread from the other evening where the Paulbot was Zotted and the comments about Paul from a
large number of FReepers.

Ask Jim what he think of RINO Paul


41 posted on 05/17/2009 1:40:45 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

Sounds like these guys would’ve been backing George Christopher in the ‘66 primary, doncha think ?


42 posted on 05/17/2009 1:41:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

a blast from the past.


43 posted on 05/17/2009 1:42:56 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Schnucki

The author is trying to make this sound like a page out of FDR’s playbook. IIRC, Roosevelt appointed some potential challenger (I forget the name, I imagine some of you can fill it in for me) to an ambassadorship, which effectively removed him from the GOP list of possible candidates for the next election.

0bama has done nothing even close to this. Yes, he can make a claim to “bipartisanship”. The likelihood of this governor, whom many of us have never even heard of, being a frontrunner for the GOP race in 2012 is a stretch at best (IMHO).

Keep trying, lefties. LOL!


44 posted on 05/17/2009 1:43:59 AM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: SoCalPol

If I recall, you seemed to think Duncan Hunter was a great candidate too. So I’m not sure how much credibility you have on this issue.


45 posted on 05/17/2009 1:44:47 AM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Arguendo

When McCain was nominated and picked Gov. Palin to run against Obama, I voted for Mac & Gov. Palin vs Obama

I don’t vote in general elections for a third party or wirte ins. That stupidity gave us Bill Clinton


46 posted on 05/17/2009 1:50:17 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

Yeah, kinda like remembering the case of the crabs one would catch in a Hong Kong brothel way back when.


47 posted on 05/17/2009 1:53:14 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SoCalPol

And that disaster Woodrow Wilson, too.


48 posted on 05/17/2009 1:53:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Arguendo

Most FReepers who bash Gov. Palin don’t have as their
tag their candidate’s name. I guess they are ashamed of their candidate or don’t have the intellect
to defentd their candidate


49 posted on 05/17/2009 1:55:43 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol; Jim Robinson
L Ron Paul is a RINO, he supports Third Party candidates.

And is there something particularly wrong with supporting conservative third parties? Or is FR an exclusively Republican site now, regardless of whether the Republican Party is actually conservative?

His views in many areas are more to the left, one reason Cindy Sheehan supported him.

If Paul is such a leftist--as you implicitly claim, by not identifying the areas on which you disagree with him--then why was Michele Bachmann hanging out at his lunches and learning Austrian economic theory and other libertarian-ish ideas?

Check out the thread from the other evening where the Paulbot was Zotted and the comments about Paul from a large number of FReepers.

I saw that thread.

But I refuse to take the bait that you have set out in an attempt to try to get me zotted.

Paul isn't the only candidate I favor. Sanford, DeMint, Toomey, and McClintock are on my good list too. [And poor Virgil Goode: he got defeated because too many non-local U.Va. students registered here and voted for that bastard Perriello.] Oh, and I gave money to both Goode's and Bachmann's campaigns last year--did you?

50 posted on 05/17/2009 2:01:11 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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