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Those Reusable Grocery Bags Can Cause Food Poisoning
National Journal/The Lid ^ | 5/20/09 | The Lid

Posted on 05/20/2009 7:44:01 PM PDT by Shellybenoit

Once again the cure is as bad as the illness. Remember when you went to the grocery store and brought your food home in brown paper bags. Those bags were great, they had so many uses once you brought them home, everything from trick or treating, to trash bags. Throughout my school years every text book I had was covered with one of those brown paper bags. But those bags used paper and the environmentalists wanted to save the rain forests so they switched to those thin plastic bags. The plastic could still be used for Halloween, and are perfect for your wet bathing suits when coming home from the beach. But plastic uses petroleum, takes centuries to decompose, and to be honest, they aren't really strong enough to hold the groceries without tearing, so they had to come with something new. Enter the reusable grocery bags, they are only good for groceries, but it kill trees and will slow the build-up of plastic in the land fills. The only problem is they can make you sick:

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TOPICS: Food; Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: environment; grocerybags; plastic

1 posted on 05/20/2009 7:44:01 PM PDT by Shellybenoit
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To: Shellybenoit

They also take a lot of energy to transport and use. They are heavier and need washing.


2 posted on 05/20/2009 7:50:18 PM PDT by freemike (Alas, how many have been persecuted for the wrong of having been right? --Jean-Baptiste Say)
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To: Shellybenoit
The plastic could still be used for Halloween

At first I thought they meant for the mask.

3 posted on 05/20/2009 7:53:38 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Shellybenoit

I love this finding because I hate those damn, cloth bags and the holier than thou types who lug them into grocery stores.

There...I am a hater.

I have a big family; and I am not investing in goofy cotton sacks (at a minimum of $1.99 per bag) to do my shopping. Give me plastic. Or paper. Or a cardboard box...but don’t expect me to make a hobby out of remembering to bring the bags; schlepping them thru the store; taking them home...and having to wash them (anyone see the energy waste there???). Nope...I personnally like to see a sea of plastic bags in the back of my SUV.


4 posted on 05/20/2009 7:54:56 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (M. Thatcher, "The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: freemike

Hmm..I think they decompose fairly quickly — especially in sunlight.


5 posted on 05/20/2009 7:55:00 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Shellybenoit

The Law of Unintended Consequences - Ain’t it a bitch!


6 posted on 05/20/2009 7:55:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: Shellybenoit

That’s just funny but we should keep it quiet and let the greenies find out by experience. I love those plastic bags, I use them for everything and I would never remember to put the reusable ones back in my vehicle so I’d have them when I went shopping anyway.


7 posted on 05/20/2009 7:56:07 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Shellybenoit

The bottom line: Wash those cloth bags after every use.

Is anyone thinking the same thing I am? Hint: water + electricity =_______________.


8 posted on 05/20/2009 7:59:59 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: Shellybenoit
I like my reusable bags. I check myself out from the store, and fill the bags myself. Gets me out a lot quicker, especially from the store that lets me ring up my purchases as I'm going through the store. I just set my reusable bags up in my shopping cart, scan the items I buy, and put them in the bags as I go. When I get to the checkout stand, I scan the hand held unit, and it shows everything I bought. Then I run my credit card, and roll on out of the store.

Easy Greasy!

9 posted on 05/20/2009 8:02:17 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Shellybenoit

What is the difference between a grocery bag and Michael Jackson?
One is white made of plastic and dangerous for kids to play with.

The other is made to put your grocery’s in.


10 posted on 05/20/2009 8:05:21 PM PDT by since1868 (I miss Pres Bush)
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To: Shellybenoit
I love the Yidwithlid blog most of the time, but...
The study was funded by the Environment and Plastics Industry Council (EPIC), an industry initiative to promote responsible use and recovery of plastic resources. EPIC is a committee of the Canadian Plastics Industry Association.
...please.
11 posted on 05/20/2009 8:05:31 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Shellybenoit

I use the plastic bags for chicken bones and meat scraps when I am making soup stock. It saves having to use a trash liner to prevent the garbage bin turning into a stink pot.


12 posted on 05/20/2009 8:07:55 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

I went to the store with my sister. It was late, raining. She paid for her things and started putting them individually into her grocery cart. WHY? To PUNISH herself for leaving her reusable bags in the car (again). When we got to the car I got in and was warm, cozy and dry. I told her that I would help her but if her goal was to punish herself then my helping her would undermine that goal. I let her put the thing into the bags while standing in pouring rain. IDIOTS.


13 posted on 05/20/2009 8:10:12 PM PDT by Anima Mundi
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To: Shellybenoit

I can still get the old fashioned paper bags at the local grocery. I like them. They hold more than the plastic ones. Trees are a crop - like soybeans. They can be re-grown. I will use all the paper I want.


14 posted on 05/20/2009 8:14:17 PM PDT by bluegirl
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To: SuziQ
Gets me out a lot quicker, especially from the store that lets me ring up my purchases as I'm going through the store.

What store is set up to do that? I want to find one.

15 posted on 05/20/2009 8:22:42 PM PDT by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: Anima Mundi

Anima, what started my profound dislike of these bags occurred two Christmases ago.

A group I volunteer with has a Christmas pot luck luncheon and gift exchange (a $10 gift—usually a nice ornament). So easy...and so nice to place the treasures received from friends in these exchanges over the years on my tree...until...one of the more vocal ladies went over to the green side. She, herself, had just made a purchase of those reusable cotton/canvas bags and she wanted us all, in lieu of a our gift exchange...to use the $10 to buy ‘atleast’ five of the bags to keep in our cars. For childrens’ futures; for the environment. Yada. Yada. Yada.

We kept the exchange; but she’s uber green now. Now drives, I kid you not—right hand up—a Prius. If you get the chance, and you don’t mind a few cuss words...there is an episode of South Park...’Smug Alert’...that fits this gal; and her family, to a tee.


16 posted on 05/20/2009 8:28:22 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (M. Thatcher, "The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: freemike

I always ask for paper. I stockpile them. Two and a bit of kindling start my stove fires every morning and evening.


17 posted on 05/20/2009 8:37:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: jonrick46

they are also great for picking up dog poo. if they have a hole in them you will have a 100% chance of getting a hand full.


18 posted on 05/20/2009 8:46:52 PM PDT by alfie (peace through superior firepower)
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To: Huntress
The 'Stop and Shop" stores in Connecticut have a lot of them. I like the system too. My wife & I do shopping with the worst of all options (according to the EWs (Enviro Wackos, paper IN plastic!! Yeah!! They make great trash can liners. Paper makes the plastic stiff, pull the bag out by the handles and tie it up with the handles, too.

Ahhh....life is good, especially with the self-scanner and paper in plastic.

19 posted on 05/20/2009 8:50:12 PM PDT by Eric (Palin/Jindal 2012)
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To: Eric

LOL...paper in plastic?!?!?! You are my hero Eric...


20 posted on 05/20/2009 8:52:34 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (M. Thatcher, "The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Eric
> paper IN plastic

Hey, I do the same thing, only I ask for paper AND plastic. You get the strength of paper and the handles on the plastic bags make for easy carrying, & then I use them for trash.

21 posted on 05/20/2009 9:10:06 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: scrabblehack
"Hmm..I think they decompose fairly quickly — especially in sunlight."

Yup...It isn't 'centuries.'

22 posted on 05/20/2009 9:16:19 PM PDT by blam
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Shoot me - I live in a university town, take my own bags to the store (they’re thinking about taxing or putting a fee on the plastic bags), and am vegan.

I read the article and some things don’t make sense:
1. There appears to be contaminants in moist cloth bags, ok, but why are they moist? Veggies that might be wet from the sprayer are put in little plastic bags anyway (are they going to do away with those?), so there’s nothing wet in the bags.

2. The bags have fecal matter - wtf? The article mentioned diapers - who the heck is putting dirty diapers in a bag they use for food?

3. Wrap meat so there is no contamination. No problem for me, don’t eat meat. Even when I did, of course you wrap meat; it can leak.

I wonder if the dire warnings are in response to uses that aren’t that prevalent for people who use their bags just for grocery shopping?

Just to keep my FReep cred, I use and reuse plastic bags. I don’t want to make others use cloth bags. I don’t pay for my bags, but have a collection of freebies from conferences and events around town where they gave away bags. I used the tax on plastic debate in one of my classes and had to ‘help’ students understand the concept that freedom extends to which freakin’ bag you use for shopping. I hate the idea that libs decided a few years ago we were all supposed to use paper, and then it was plastic, and now we’re supposed to tote our own damn cloth bags to the store.

I keep the cloth bags in the car and admit to liking that there is no longer a mountain of plastic bags in the pantry waiting to be used or taken to the store for recycling, which I always forgot to do. I hope that using cloth bags doesn’t mean I have to turn in my official glow-in-the-dark FR ID card.


23 posted on 05/20/2009 9:29:46 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: scrabblehack
Hmm..I think they decompose fairly quickly — especially in sunlight.

It varies. Here we have just submitted to a no plastic bag regime.

OK I forget right. So I look behind the car seats. Find two bags some months old - no structural integrity left.

And one bag intact and sound, labeled "Biodegradable, will break down in landfill and sunlight". Thing is: producing and labelling that type of bag was a big enviro-friendly marketing campaign about 5+ years ago. Makes you think.

24 posted on 05/20/2009 9:47:19 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a competent small government conservative is good enough for government work)
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To: Shellybenoit

The fact that a cloth bag will eventually cross contaminate its contents is a no-brainer, isn’t it? This is one of the reasons I don’t use them, in addition to the fact that laundering them will only end up using more energy than the plastic ones (although now that I think about it, drying them in the sun would kill bacteria and in the California sun would take about 3 minutes, as opposed to two hours in the dryer)


25 posted on 05/20/2009 9:59:51 PM PDT by giotto
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To: Huntress
Stop and Shop in the Northeast. Not all of them are set up for it; the one right in my town isn't. So I go to one of the two stores in a neighboring town. I go in, swipe my 'Frequent Shopper' card at the machine, and one of the little hand held computers lights up. I take it through the store, scanning the bar codes of items I want to buy, and then put them in my bag. I bought an special insulated bag for frozen and refrigerated stuff, and it works like a charm. For fruits and veggies, I weigh them, then print out the bar code sticker that I then scan in. I just love it, because when I'm done shopping, I'm done! There are only a couple of items that can't be scanned in, but the checkout procedure gives you the chance to type in a PLU code, for coffee, for example. I even get 5 cents for each reusable bag I use! When I'm finished with the checkout, I just roll on our the door with my bags already loaded.

Some folks might not like it, but that's OK. It works great for me! The regular bags were 99 cents each, and the insulated one was $1.99. I think I've already recouped my original purchase of them, since I've gotten money back each time I've used them for the last 6 months or so.

26 posted on 05/20/2009 10:23:54 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Chickensoup

I always ask for paper. I stockpile them. Two and a bit of kindling start my stove fires every morning and evening.

I like to think of it as recycling.


27 posted on 05/21/2009 6:27:20 AM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: radiohead

“Shoot me - I live in a university town, take my own bags to the store (they’re thinking about taxing or putting a fee on the plastic bags), and am vegan.”

IBTZ?

;-)


28 posted on 05/21/2009 8:05:49 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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