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Posted on 05/31/2009 11:17:25 PM PDT by Danae
On May 19th MIT released a report that proves something.
They proved group think still exists. That's all they proved.
How can this be? Their model seems so all encompassing... The key lay in this phrase, "selected so that each run has about an equal probability of being correct based on present observations and knowledge", from MIT's recent publication.
Because they are using mathematical equations that have been found to be incorrect, they cannot get repeatable results that can be applied systemically to the entire Earth’s climate that matches the data actually recorded. They can only get a probability. This is the basis for all of the differing results in Climatology today; no two reports seem to be the same, anyone reading the headlines over the last 45 years can attest to this.
Because the solutions each group comes up with vary so widely, and because their models cannot be applied systemically, only one conclusion can be made: there is an error in the math somewhere. Somewhere basic and fundamental, that all of these learned scientists are using, that all of their calculations depend on as the foundation of their Science.
In 2007, Dr Ferenc Miskolczi found that error and corrected it.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
That’s because Congress - and zero - care about the legislation, or rather the power it will give them, not about the veracity of the science used to ram it down our throats...
Pretty much. They just want to SOUND like they do.
Makes me sick.
This is coming from the Examiner? From a writer in Portland?
I feel like I’m watching one of those movies where the music suddenly stops.
What’s up here?
Its me. I have to try and do something to get the truth out.
Thanks. Would you please post the follow on articles.
Nicely balanced, in that fashion.
NO NOT A HOAX
It is a CON.
The purpose of Cap and Trade is to collect taxes and funnel money from the trading system to Democratic Party loyalist which will then be funneled back to Democrat candidates.
It is a con on the American People designed to perpetuate Democrat control of the US government.
What to believe? What to believe?
I repeat my mantra: There's plenty to be skeptical about in the Global Warming agenda without going off the deep end.
Based on 'science' that contradicted what can be seen with our own eyes, he was prepared to force people to undergo monumental changes in how they live their lives in order to combat a problem that has never existed. If he has a conscience that is something he should be ashamed of.
And they'll do it because we have a president that's a hoax.
Keep in mind, Wiki can be edited by ANYONE, that’s why I NEVER use it as a source. Ever. I might track info back from in, but I would never cite it. My Profs in School would slap me for it faster than you know what.
Dr. Miskolczi has taken a great deal of heat for being right, mostly because he is the fly in the ointment. His Math is what matters and that’s what the AWG bastards count on, the avergage laypersons lack of knowledge on higher maths and physics. They are playing off of peoples ignorance. Quite deliberately.
I have had a fairly extensive conversation with the man. He is patient, answered every question I put to him, and once he realized his error, he immediately changed the side of the fence he was on. He does conferences now in support of Miskolvczi’s theories. Hes one of the good guys. He found he was wrong, admitted it and went about correcting it! Good for him I say!
Totally.
What really pisses me off, is that Miskolczi HAS TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS!!!! They ignore him because he has disproved thier stinking pile of Do do! Immoral at the very least.
Well, try reading the article. What do you make of it?
My adviser in grad school made the same remark about all the scientific journals - "Never believe anything." It's all presented for your consideration. Why would you assume that one Ferenc Miskolczi is absolutely to be trusted?
That’s a monumental mistake he made. A mistake on the scale in other professions would be a career-ender and in some professions, such as airline pilots or the military, it might be a life-ender. Has he learned at all to be humble about the limits of his ‘scientific expertise’?
Science is a profession not a religious order. People are allowed to change their minds when the evidence convinces them. In science, it's okay if you're not right at first.
ummm why is this idiotic article in breaking news????
It's funny that you mention religion because scientists like Zagoni actually do seem to be acting like religious believers. They went out on a football-length limb in support of their belief in AGW when they didn't even have a repeatable model or a scientific explanation that matched real-world observations.
And with a FROST warning for tonight (JUNE 1st!!) in most of NY state actual proof is not helping their case.
....only one conclusion can be made: there is an error in the math somewhere....
I take exception to this statement. Sometimes it is not the MATH that is wrong, it is the starting HYPOTHESES.
Dr Zagoni:"They [IPCC Climatologists] regard one specific parameter (opacity of the atmosphere]) to be infinite in a specific approximation, according to an old and still unrecognized math error in the history of radiative transfer. Miskolczi revealed that error, gave the correct mathematical and physical solution, and the referred quantity became finite [specific] in his hands, and he became able to calculate its value correctly. His calculation proved that with finite opacity (or transparency ... leads to constrained greenhouse effect and constrained greenhouse surface temperatures because cooling (exactly because of this transparency) is possible on the required level.”
Dianna Cotter: In laypersons terms, this means that Earth’s atmosphere is a balanced system at equilibrium. This is demonstrated by the simple and unavoidable fact that we still have an atmosphere. If the system could not find an equilibrium, the air we breathe would have been long gone millions if not billions of years ago when CO2 and other greenhouse gasses were at levels far greater than they are today.
Cheers!
Rush’s meteorologist, has talked about the dynamic of the oceans and their involvement in climate change for a few years now.
Neither scientist nor politicians will look at the correct study becaue the scientist want their grants and the politicans want to control YOU.
Time to take out the garbage.
The fundamental flaw in this article is describing AGW as science. AGW is not science, it is religion. Logic and math will not prevail when discussing religion with a zealot. The Warmists will dismiss this without comment.
Certainly not a Wiki article posted on "realclimatechange.org"
FACTS: 1) greenhouse gases are not evil, they are essential to keeping the earth warm enough for humans; 2) the most common greenhouse gas is water vapor; 3) CO2 is not pollution, it is essential for plants and humans; 4) CO2 is only a trace element in the atmosphere at 380 parts per million; 5) humans and their activities account for only 3% of CO2 emissions each year; 6) the earth has had cycles of cooling and warming about every 1,500 years due to variations in the sun’s activity and our orbit around the sun; 7) these cycles are beyond human control; 8) about 1,000 years ago, Greenland had vineyards; 9) the earth is cooling now, not warming relative to prior decades; and 10) a major reduction of sun spots in recent years suggests a coming mini ice age.
I can hear Ronald Reagan now, effectively communicating the facts to the public in fewer words than I have used above. Many people are very skeptical of the pagan religion called “global warming”; they just need more information to tilt the scales in favor of sanity on this issue.
If more people knew how much damage Cap & Trade will do to our economy, they would be shouting their disapproval. But apparently most voters don’t even know what Cap & Trade is all about.
Here’s how the cap & trade legislation will adversely impact our entire economy and standard of living:
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/05/02/obamas-assault-on-the-middle-c
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Great post on GW. Thanks.
Gerry Browning debunked the modellers years ago.
See “Gerry Browning: Numerical Climate Models”
“Recently (BAMS, 2004), it has been shown that a climate model also deviates from reality in a matter of hours because of the errors in the parameterizations (not unexpected based on result above) and over longer periods of time the effectively larger viscosity causes the numerical solution to produce a spectrum quite different than the real atmosphere unless forced in a nonphysical manner.” http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=674
In other words, the models veer violently into unreality after running for a few hours. The modellers cheat by selection, and by unrealistic adjustments. Frauds the lot of them. Sue me if you dare.
Great find Danae. I did some background on the author, Ms. Cotter, and it looks like shes on the ‘right’ side of the political spectrum. Good stuff she writes.
Thanks for posting this.
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Bottom line in article:
“CO2 cannot cause global warming.”
Thanks for posting this link.
They don't do those things so we can conclude anthropogenic global warming is not true.
So why the fuss? As Obamamites like to say, "don't waste a crisis", and that applies to phony ones too.
Wikipedia? Please.
Yes, 44 degrees F here this morning in NE Ohio. Our AC system went on the blink yesterday, but who cares?
Have you seen the 52min talk by Michael Crichton re:"State of Fear"?
Fascinating stuff about the language of advocacy.
Not yet, and don’t have time now, but I did read State of Fear. I agree with his arguments. Must go now, but will get back to this talk later. Looking forward to listening to it.
Its called the Waxman-Markley Energy bill and the main premise of that bill is to TAX CARBON and make fuel so expensive that we won’t be able to buy it anymore and thereby reduce emissions. Thats why this is a big deal. Carbon Dioxide cannot repeat CANNOT cause global warming.
They are going to tax something with a specific intent which will never happen, AND is literally the air we breathe and plants need to grow.
This is not gonna just go idly by on my watch.
This should be in news, not blogging.
Ping ;)for the list
I dare say you sound a bit toward "zealot" yourself.
I am an engineer. I have spent a career developing and using mathematical models and analyzing data. In God we trust - all others provide supporting data.
Actually they just claim that the real scientists who are doing the real research with out the government funding behind it, in other words with out a pre-determined outcome, are the tin-foil hat wearers. Well thats fine, those are the same type of people who called Einstein crazy. LOL
bttt
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