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Is One Man-One Vote Becoming a Distant Memory?
IBD/The Lid ^ | 6/3/09 | The Lid

Posted on 06/03/2009 7:05:01 PM PDT by Shellybenoit

One of the most sacred rights and responsibilities of American citizenship is voting. We are supposedly guaranteed that every person's vote is worth as much as every other person's vote. That guarantee has never been perfect, Blacks weren't allowed to vote until the 15th amendment in 1870, and women until 1920's 19th Amendment, but the tradition of the United States has been to aspire toward honest elections.

This past election America took a major step backwards, ACORN, perpetuated voter fraud in at least 14 states to the point where some districts had MORE than 100% of registered voters casting ballots. Ultimately this probably had little effect on the national results. But the fact that it was wide-spread enough to cause concern was enough to erode confidence in the system

This week the Department of Justice made two politically motivated decisions that further eroded the value of each of our votes, one in Georgia the other in Philadelphia (see videos below):

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: acorn; aliens; justicedept; voting

1 posted on 06/03/2009 7:05:02 PM PDT by Shellybenoit
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To: Shellybenoit

It is now “Dead Man - One Vote”


2 posted on 06/03/2009 7:06:21 PM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Shellybenoit

“some districts had MORE than 100% of registered voters casting ballots.”

Got references? I’d love to use this but can’t without attribution.


3 posted on 06/03/2009 7:07:14 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Why? The Left makes up lies all the time, and it’s gotten this far (near total power). No one (the people) cares about the truth anymore.


4 posted on 06/03/2009 7:12:52 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: Shellybenoit

It will be a long time before we have a legitimate election, if indeed we ever do again.

My contempt for the left is beyond expansive.


5 posted on 06/03/2009 7:13:52 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: DBrow

One person...one vote should have been scrapped decades ago. It doesn’t work. If you have no vested interest in the franchise except to get free handouts from it, you will not execute the franchise in the best interest of the republic. Many people lived in Rome. Few were citizens. To be a Roman Citizen was an honor and responsibility to be attained, not a birth right. The same was true in the founding days of this Republic. Land owners, men, the learned class were all considered to be fit to determine the course of the nation because (in sequence): 1. They had skin in the game with the land they owned. 2. They were thought (at the time) to be level headed, responsible for the survival of homesteads and educated (women were not educated in those days). 3. The learned class were more versed on the objectives, workings and processes of a state.

Do we really think, from this perspective that some crack ho in a section 8 apartment on 8 Mile Road in Detroit fits the bill of what Jefferson and Madison considered a well tailored and informed electorate whose every decision could well determine the survival of the sacred Republic? Hogwash.

Today, if we were fully honest, we would restrict citizenship on the voting level to those who pay taxes, own properties and businesses, have a certain level of education and have both passed a competency exam and taken a solemn oath to execute their franchise within a certain set of objectives. One person one vote sounds like Kumbayah. It makes me warm and fuzzy even as it puts a spear through the heart of the responsibly run Republic. One person one vote will be written about in a hundred years as an Achilles heal and scourge upon our great nation that midwifed her final days.


6 posted on 06/03/2009 7:15:21 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: Shellybenoit

Not to worry.

Repubican moderation, non-confrontational speech and bi-partisan acceptance of Sotamayor will lead to greater acceptance for Republicanism and a better tomorrow for all Americans.

Get your government ration of KY Jelly now . . . or prepared to fight.


7 posted on 06/03/2009 7:19:01 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Palin/Bachman 2012: Conservative Viagra)
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To: Shellybenoit
I still say McCain would have won without voter fraud. The GOP is to blame. From 2000 to 2006 they could have passed stringent voterID laws for all federal elections. They didn't and we have reached the tipping point. Rahm emanuel and ACORN will see that the 2010 redistricting turns into a crushing defeat of the GOP.

It's over.

8 posted on 06/03/2009 7:20:26 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Sanford/Palin in 2012)
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To: Shellybenoit

A friend shared a funny, cynical quote on voting:

If voting worked, they’d ban it.

:)


9 posted on 06/03/2009 7:26:28 PM PDT by sig226 (1/21/13 . . . He's not my president . . . Impeach Obama . . . whatever)
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To: DBrow
Got references? I’d love to use this but can’t without attribution.

Many stories at the time. I remember at least one story about more than 100% of the estimated (by census) population, not just registered voters, voting.

10 posted on 06/03/2009 7:35:18 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: Shellybenoit
The Justice Department has told Georgia that the state cannot impose its proof-of-citizenship requirements at the ballot box.

If I were the governor of Georgia I would tell the JD to pound sand. The courts have already ruled that Georgia's proof-of-citizenship is constitutional.

11 posted on 06/03/2009 7:56:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: DBrow

Just start searching for voter fraud. The more heavily the percentage of Rats, the higher the fraud.


12 posted on 06/03/2009 7:57:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Fact is, if someone is counted in the census, they are represented in the state house and in the U.S. House. (Even if they don’t vote.)

So whoever does the census, determines the results of elections. Combine this with sophisticated techniques to determine district lines ...


13 posted on 06/03/2009 8:23:10 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Actually, whoever runs the state legislatures, determines the results of the elections.


14 posted on 06/03/2009 8:26:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

the census is going to count illegal aliens because they are considered “persons” as the Constitution sets forth. So that is why areas with heavy illegals are over-represented. Notice some state House seats in places like L.A. have very few voters. Therefore, these voters are over-represented ... the illegals have representation.

The only think it doesn’t affect is GOV and SEN races.


15 posted on 06/03/2009 8:30:31 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: TommyDale

wait tommy I am working on that story


16 posted on 06/03/2009 9:38:59 PM PDT by Shellybenoit (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com)
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17 posted on 06/04/2009 3:44:08 AM PDT by bcsco (I'm a Constitution defender!)
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To: DBrow

“some districts had MORE than 100% of registered voters casting ballots.”

Got references? I’d love to use this but can’t without attribution.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=more+voters+than+registered&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=more+voters+than+registered&aqi=&fp=1mZ_-PL2Zjc


18 posted on 06/04/2009 5:42:59 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: johnnycap; 4Liberty; elfman2; CSM; BradyLS; DoctorMichael; bruinbirdman; H.Akston; Ed Hudgins; ...
One person...one vote should have been scrapped decades ago. It doesn’t work. If you have no vested interest in the franchise except to get free handouts from it, you will not execute the franchise in the best interest of the republic. Many people lived in Rome. Few were citizens. To be a Roman Citizen was an honor and responsibility to be attained, not a birth right. The same was true in the founding days of this Republic. Land owners, men, the learned class were all considered to be fit to determine the course of the nation because (in sequence): 1. They had skin in the game with the land they owned. 2. They were thought (at the time) to be level headed, responsible for the survival of homesteads and educated (women were not educated in those days). 3. The learned class were more versed on the objectives, workings and processes of a state.

Do we really think, from this perspective that some crack ho in a section 8 apartment on 8 Mile Road in Detroit fits the bill of what Jefferson and Madison considered a well tailored and informed electorate whose every decision could well determine the survival of the sacred Republic? Hogwash.

Today, if we were fully honest, we would restrict citizenship on the voting level to those who pay taxes, own properties and businesses, have a certain level of education and have both passed a competency exam and taken a solemn oath to execute their franchise within a certain set of objectives. One person one vote sounds like Kumbayah. It makes me warm and fuzzy even as it puts a spear through the heart of the responsibly run Republic. One person one vote will be written about in a hundred years as an Achilles heal and scourge upon our great nation that midwifed her final days.

Nailed it.  Very well said.

19 posted on 06/04/2009 6:55:28 AM PDT by FreeKeys ("Those who cannot be bothered with the facts may help destroy the best medical care in the world" TS)
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To: FreeKeys

Outstanding!


20 posted on 06/04/2009 7:08:42 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: FreeKeys

Ann Colter has often opposed womens suffrage, using womens emotions and need for a protector as a reason they shouldn’t vote.

now thats not me saying that, but it is interesting.


21 posted on 06/04/2009 7:43:08 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: johnnycap
2. They were thought (at the time) to be level headed, responsible for the survival of homesteads and educated (women were not educated in those days).

I've often thought about this. On the one hand, I can hardly deny that the results of elections would be better if women weren't allowed to vote. Clinton, for example, wouldn't have been elected without women's suffrage. Now that I think of it, we'd have ended up with Bush I or Dole, so maybe I've just disproved my own contention. Not sure if this applies to The One or not. I'm sure women's emotional makeup comes into play. Families work in a more communist style, where everyone contributes and everyone benefits not necessarily in proportion to their contribution, and that works at a family level where everyone knows everyone and can be trusted to be honest. Women are family oriented and may view the governance of a nation using the same principles. Whatever the reason, they tend more than men to vote for people who shouldn't hold office. But I still can't square that with the principle of fairness. So it's a quandary for me.

22 posted on 06/04/2009 8:05:12 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: FreeKeys

Democracy was the downfall of the Greek city-states.

Let’s try it: you and two cannibals are on a desert island. Everybody gets a vote on what’s for dinner.


23 posted on 06/04/2009 8:14:32 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: Still Thinking
I can hardly deny that the results of elections would be better if women weren't allowed to vote

John Lott has an interesting chapter in his book "Freedomnomics". It shows a clear correlation, probable causation, between women being given the vote and the expansion of government. Some states gave women the vote earlier and government grew more rapidly in those states than in the states where women did not yet have the vote.

24 posted on 06/04/2009 8:48:24 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

I read it. I love that book. I’ve been thinking about this issue for a long time though.


25 posted on 06/04/2009 8:52:14 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: johnnycap

Are you familiar with the Gracchi brothers of the Roman Republic? They used the offer of opening the Roman treasury and handing it out to Citizens as a means of obtaining power in Roman elections. Julius Caesar handed out lots of the spoils from his conquering of Gaul in order to buy public support so that when he assumed the role of dictator he would have enough public support to be able to hold onto power.


26 posted on 06/04/2009 9:00:06 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

Well, we all know just how well THAT worked out:

Fall of Roman civilization. Check.
A thousand years of darkness. Check.
Famine, disease and misery. Check.


27 posted on 06/04/2009 9:28:36 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: TommyDale

VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters

http://www.redstate.com/jrichardson/2009/06/04/minnesota-vote-fraud-2812-dead-voters/


28 posted on 06/04/2009 11:07:19 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: johnnycap

Let’s start by repealing the 17th amendment, then perhaps re-institute a “reading test” requirement for voter registration.


29 posted on 06/04/2009 12:50:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: FreeKeys

Not to derail things, but... Robert Heinlein wrote a great book (Starship Troopers) that touched upon how and what it meant to earn the franchise to vote in a hypothetical Republic at war.

No one could vote till they earned the franchise. Earning the franchise meant serving the Republic. You didn’t get the franchise until your term of service was over and honorably served. The Republic determined what service you had to perform to the earn the franchise. No one had to serve if they didn’t want to and life for everyone was pretty good (in the book) without the franchise. However, better to serve in peacetime than in wartime.

Many have misinterpreted the book to mean that you had to serve in the military to earn the franchise. Not true. In the book, applicants for service took aptitude tests and the government evaluated the results and offered you an assignment: take it or leave it. It was Juan Rico’s fortune (good or bad) that he was assigned to serve in the Mobile Infantry.


30 posted on 06/04/2009 1:41:52 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: MattinNJ
The GOP is to blame. From 2000 to 2006 they could have passed stringent voterID laws for all federal elections.

Just being honest brokers in trying to balance the budget and rolling back unnecessary agencies and programs would have been enough.

I kinda figure we're entering the large intestine of the beast by now. Probably easier to rebuild the Republic than to dismantle the Empire.

31 posted on 06/04/2009 1:46:11 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS

...And controlling the border. IMO.


32 posted on 06/04/2009 1:53:07 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: FreeKeys

Thanks for sending this to me FreeKeys. Impressive memory.

Here’s the deal. One Man One Vote is another way of mandating something that could be called “FLAT REPRESENTATION”. Recall the founding (tea party) principle - “No Taxation without Representation”. (The juxtoposition of Representation and Taxation was interestingly left out of section 2 of the 14th amendment, as originally made in Article I).
Implicit in this idea is that the KIND of taxation you have must be paired with the SAME kind of representation. If you have FLAT REPRESENTATION, you MUST HAVE FLAT TAXATION. The mindless mantra “one man one vote” therefore, if it is to be kept, must be appended, with something like “One Man, One Vote, One Tax”, and we adopt a truly Flat, non-progressive tax. Alternatively, if we’re going to have progressive taxation, we must have progressive representation, making a voter’s power proportional to the government’s power over the voter’s property.

Madison noted that the rights of property are not secure in a society with absolute universal (flat) suffrage. His hope was that the Senate, deriving from the states and not from the people could help protect the rights of property in the event we got to flat representation (in the House & Executive). However the senate is now popularly elected. The results are evident.


33 posted on 06/05/2009 1:25:31 PM PDT by H.Akston (Sub-Prime lending un-did welfare reform, and crashed The Economy, proving Newt saved it from Clinton)
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To: BradyLS

Thanks for reminding me of that book. It’s been decades since I read it.


34 posted on 06/05/2009 7:34:39 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Those who cannot be bothered with the facts may help destroy the best medical care in the world" TS)
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To: H.Akston

Excellent food for thought. This could be developed further...


35 posted on 06/05/2009 7:37:07 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Liberals aren't always so liberal when people disapprove of their point of view." -- Clint Eastwood)
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