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Former President of NOW Says There is Life at Conception
Susan B. Anthony List ^ | 6/5/09 | Katie Koch

Posted on 06/06/2009 10:21:15 AM PDT by wagglebee

Your views and Patricia Ireland’s may not be that different…

This week, as a movement, the Pro-Life community has been fiercely attacked by the mainstream media. Unfortunately, because of the few who came out in support of Dr. Tiller’s murder, the many of us have suffered by being called terrorists and extremists. All of us who believe in the dignity of life from conception to death understand that this was a ruthless killing of what Kansas law considers to be an innocent man. Therefore, I am not writing about whether or not we are terrorists; I don’t wish to dignify that accusation with a response. I do think, however, something far more worthy of discussion has come to light as a result of this controversy, and it starts with a quote from Patricia Ireland, former President of the National Organization for Women.

Ms. Ireland was on the O’Reilly Factor Tuesday night to discuss the media’s portrayal of Dr. Tiller’s life as a late term abortionist versus the public’s opinion on late term abortions. During the course of their conversation, O’Reilly asked Ms. Ireland when she believes life begins. She responded by saying, "I think immediately upon conception there is life." She believes just as you and I do that life begins at conception! How then does she reconcile the fact that abortion is murder with a “woman’s right to choose”? She went onto say, "but that is the wrong question. Fetuses do not grow inside Petri dishes, they grow inside real live women who have their own issues of health, their own responsibilities, their own dreams and hopes.”

So, as long as a woman feels that a child wouldn’t coincide with her plans for life, then she should be allowed to have an abortion? How far shall we carry out this ideology? I would assume that Ms. Ireland doesn’t contend that you “gain” life as you move forward in it. So, if she feels that life begins at conception but it is okay to end that life at 28 weeks of pregnancy, what is to stop her from ending the child’s life at 5 years old when the mother gets a job in another city and just doesn’t feel like a child will fit in with those plans? Obviously Ms. Ireland wouldn’t condone this, because it doesn’t make any sense. Just like it doesn’t make sense that one would condone an abortion for some arbitrary reason like the hopes and dreams of the pregnant woman, if you understand that life begins at conception.

Personally, I think this could prove to be the proverbial “chink in the armor” of the pro-abortion movement. I think we, in the pro-life community, need to hold her out as an example to demonstrate the absurdity of this position. I think they were able to pick up a lot of followers in the movement, because they sold them on the idea that life didn’t begin at conception and therefore abortion wasn’t murder. I don’t think the general population of people who are pro-choice understand that life does begin at conception. What will be the impact now that one of their leaders has readily admitted on national television that it does?


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So, as long as a woman feels that a child wouldn’t coincide with her plans for life, then she should be allowed to have an abortion? How far shall we carry out this ideology? I would assume that Ms. Ireland doesn’t contend that you “gain” life as you move forward in it. So, if she feels that life begins at conception but it is okay to end that life at 28 weeks of pregnancy, what is to stop her from ending the child’s life at 5 years old when the mother gets a job in another city and just doesn’t feel like a child will fit in with those plans? Obviously Ms. Ireland wouldn’t condone this, because it doesn’t make any sense. Just like it doesn’t make sense that one would condone an abortion for some arbitrary reason like the hopes and dreams of the pregnant woman, if you understand that life begins at conception.

The left will use ANY excuse to justify infanticide.

1 posted on 06/06/2009 10:21:15 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/06/2009 10:21:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/06/2009 10:22:08 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
56,000 were killed in Buchenwald...and the world justafiaby, and understandably condemns the holocaust and hunted down and executed the perpetrators.

By his own admission, Tiller butchered 60,000 and more, and yet a corrupt law, that has protected the practioners in this gruesome holocaust, protected the man from the true rule of law.

Anyone blind to the sick, evil irony of that have accepted a deparved set of circumstances and strong delusion.

I mourn Tiller's family at the loss of their father and grandfather. I doubt seriously that they knew the full and graphic nature of what he was involed in.

But I absolutely refuse to mourn the fact that he, Dr. Tiller, a bloody, gruesome killer of fully formed babies...who were alive, who could FEEL THE PAIN of being literally ripped asunder, will himself murder no more.

THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]

“It is the grimmest of ironies that one of the most savage, barbaric acts of evil in history began in one of the most modernized societies of its time, where so many markers of human progress became tools of human depravity: science that can heal, used to kill; education that can enlighten, used to rationalize away basic moral impulses; the bureaucracy that sustains modern life, used as the machinery of mass death, a ruthless, chillingly efficient system where many were responsible for the killing, but few got actual blood on their hands.”–Barack Obama April 24, 2009, Holocaust Remebernce Day, Chicago Sun Times.

4 posted on 06/06/2009 10:26:29 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: wagglebee

The operating word here is “feels”.


5 posted on 06/06/2009 10:27:12 AM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: wagglebee

Ireland’s eyes betrayed the deadness in her soul. She had a white smile, nicely cropped hair, and perfectly applied amke-up, but her eyes were dead as she spouted her vacuous cannards. The strong delusion under which Patricia Ireland has lain herself demands the occasional open acknowledgement else the antithetical reasoning would eventually corrode into exposing the truth being rejected simply by the absurdity of the positions people like Ireland must hold which are contradictory.


6 posted on 06/06/2009 10:31:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wagglebee
It is my opinion that a woman's choice ends when she says yes or no to the act which leads to babies!

(the rape argument is a totally different discussion, so don't go there)

7 posted on 06/06/2009 10:36:55 AM PDT by sweet_diane (embracing Him.)
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To: sweet_diane
the rape argument is a totally different discussion, so don't go there

The pro-abortion crowd loves to bring up rape, incest and the woman's life as the reason for infanticide, but as soon as the facts are brought to light this argument collapses.

Fact: There are over 1.3 million abortions performed in the United States each year, this works out to more than 3500 per day.

Fact: The incidence of pregnancy from rape is extremely low (for a rape pregnancy to occur, a woman must be raped on one of couple of days a month when she is ovulating and even when this happens the trauma often prevents pregnancy), it is estimated that the number of pregnancies from rape each year is between 3000 and 5000. Additionally, and the abortionists NEVER acknowledge this, many rape victims choose to keep their babies.

Fact: The incidence of pregnancy from incest is so low that there aren't even any good statistics available. Men who commit incest generally take care to avoid times when the girl is ovulating and the incest often stops altogether when the girl begins to menstruate.

Fact: NOBODY has suggested that a woman not be allowed to have abortions if her life is actually at risk, in fact these were available long before Roe v. Wade.

Fact: Of the over 1.3 million abortions each year in the United States, well over 95% are performed for convenience and nothing else.

8 posted on 06/06/2009 10:57:58 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

And the most unbelievable thing to me is that millions, if not BILLIONS, of people think that is a sound rationalization and does make it legitimate.

It simply is insanity.


9 posted on 06/06/2009 11:17:27 AM PDT by phatus maximus ( John 6:29. Learn it, love it, live it.)
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To: wagglebee

So she thinks that people should be allowed to murder for convenience.

How sweet....


10 posted on 06/06/2009 12:16:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

This shows how lurid pro-abort rational has evolved. In the past they held to the cover of life not beginning until breath. Now they concede that abortion kills but if that is what a woman wants , they then grant the power of death.


11 posted on 06/06/2009 12:34:34 PM PDT by rsobin
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To: rsobin

Well and truly stated. It is astonishing to those of us who have been in this struggle since Roe v Wade was issued. The descent into irrational evil is always astonishing, except to those under strong delusion.


12 posted on 06/06/2009 12:42:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wagglebee

Praying for them.


13 posted on 06/06/2009 1:11:08 PM PDT by Salvation ( With God all things are possible.)
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To: wagglebee
She believes just as you and I do that life begins at conception! How then does she reconcile the fact that abortion is murder with a “woman’s right to choose”? She went onto say, "but that is the wrong question. Fetuses do not grow inside Petri dishes, they grow inside real live women who have their own issues of health, their own responsibilities, their own dreams and hopes.”

This logic actually supports the killing of Tiller.

Let's follow the logic.

-- It is okay to kill people if they impinge upon the health, responsibilities, dreams and hopes of a woman, based on her whims.
-- Tiller violated the dreams and hopes of the millions of women who are pro-life by persisting in the killing of the unborn.
-- THEREFORE, according to Ireland's logic, Tiller's killing is morally justified.

Ireland's own logic, if true, would morally justify Roeder's act of killing Tiller.

Of course, the logic is crap, so of course it doesn't justify Tiller's murder. Nor does it justify the killing of the unborn. Can't have it both ways. Why hasn't someone called her on it? This is EASY PICKINGS!
14 posted on 06/06/2009 4:06:46 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner
Fetuses do not grow inside Petri dishes, they grow inside real live women who have their own issues of health, their own responsibilities, their own dreams and hopes.”

Damn those fetuses! Who invited them anyway??? /s

15 posted on 06/06/2009 4:12:26 PM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: paulycy

Might makes right?

I like the Feminists For Life point that if you really hated the idea of a man being able to pick on you or belittle a woman because he was physically bigger and louder than you, how are you any different or better when you abort your baby? You are just pushing somebody around who can’t stand up for herself because you are much bigger than she is and she will not be able to answer back.

Also, considering that the pro-life position requires greater responsibility, and much inconvenience, perhaps we should be more amazed and gratified than we are, that so many people remain pro-life, despite several decades of pressure to give it up and “not judge”.


16 posted on 06/06/2009 11:17:31 PM PDT by married21
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To: married21
perhaps we should be more amazed and gratified than we are, that so many people remain pro-life, despite several decades of pressure to give it up and “not judge”.

Yes, I agree we should be happy that there are as many pro-life people as there are but, in this case, it's not clear that we shouldn't "judge" as in making our arguments and opinions known. Ultimate judgment isn't ours, of course.

We must render unto Caeser in terms of the law - no murdering baby killers - but trying to increase the number of people who respect life from conception to natural death, except in extremely limited *adult* criminal cases, seems the appropriate and responsible thing to do IMO.

If polls can be trusted it seems that a sort of generic pro-life world view is increasing in popularity. This is good news!

17 posted on 06/07/2009 5:03:11 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: wagglebee

If it wasn’t a human life, why would they want to kill it?


18 posted on 06/07/2009 5:17:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: paulycy

1. “not judge”

Just to clarify, I didn’t mean we shouldn’t judge. I was referring to the attitude of many people who think you can’t take a moral position condemning something because that would be “judging” somebody, which is considered hypocritical and very un-PC. There is a lot of social pressure to “not judge”. So I was just saying that I’m impressed that so many people have gotten past that and taken a stand for life.

2. Your formulation of respecting life from conception through natural death, except in very limited adult criminal cases sounds like what I thought Pope John Paul II taught. A few people at my Catholic parish seem to know about his take on the death penalty. I guess I should be glad for those few. (And glad for you!)


19 posted on 06/07/2009 7:20:22 AM PDT by married21
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If it wasn’t a human life, why would they want to kill it?
...........
Well, giving birth is an inconvenience whether you’re delivering human, a puppy or a turtle.

And it also really gets me when people abort because they “could never put their own baby up for adoption.”

( I think it is time to insert a logic curriculum in middle school or high school, to try to save people from their own twisted thinking. Ok, I’m done with my tangent.)


20 posted on 06/07/2009 7:29:13 AM PDT by married21
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To: married21
people who think you can’t take a moral position condemning something because that would be “judging” somebody, which is considered hypocritical and very un-PC

Yeah, well, the heck with that. ;0)

Your formulation of respecting life from conception through natural death

Although I'm not Catholic I think those very words are from a Catholic source and I believe them with all my heart.

21 posted on 06/07/2009 12:01:08 PM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: wagglebee

‘During the course of their conversation, O’Reilly asked Ms. Ireland when she believes life begins. She responded by saying, “I think immediately upon conception there is life.” She believes just as you and I do that life begins at conception! How then does she reconcile the fact that abortion is murder with a “woman’s right to choose”? She went onto say, “but that is the wrong question. Fetuses do not grow inside Petri dishes, they grow inside real live women who have their own issues of health, their own responsibilities, their own dreams and hopes.”’

I think we should thank her for her intellectual honesty. I’d rather battle a liberal who is truthful about objective facts(i.e., life begins at conception) than one who deliberately lies about objective facts.


22 posted on 06/07/2009 3:01:37 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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23 posted on 06/07/2009 4:36:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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