Skip to comments.Former President of NOW Says There is Life at Conception
Posted on 06/06/2009 10:21:15 AM PDT by wagglebee
Your views and Patricia Irelands may not be that different
This week, as a movement, the Pro-Life community has been fiercely attacked by the mainstream media. Unfortunately, because of the few who came out in support of Dr. Tillers murder, the many of us have suffered by being called terrorists and extremists. All of us who believe in the dignity of life from conception to death understand that this was a ruthless killing of what Kansas law considers to be an innocent man. Therefore, I am not writing about whether or not we are terrorists; I dont wish to dignify that accusation with a response. I do think, however, something far more worthy of discussion has come to light as a result of this controversy, and it starts with a quote from Patricia Ireland, former President of the National Organization for Women.
Ms. Ireland was on the OReilly Factor Tuesday night to discuss the medias portrayal of Dr. Tillers life as a late term abortionist versus the publics opinion on late term abortions. During the course of their conversation, OReilly asked Ms. Ireland when she believes life begins. She responded by saying, "I think immediately upon conception there is life." She believes just as you and I do that life begins at conception! How then does she reconcile the fact that abortion is murder with a womans right to choose? She went onto say, "but that is the wrong question. Fetuses do not grow inside Petri dishes, they grow inside real live women who have their own issues of health, their own responsibilities, their own dreams and hopes.
So, as long as a woman feels that a child wouldnt coincide with her plans for life, then she should be allowed to have an abortion? How far shall we carry out this ideology? I would assume that Ms. Ireland doesnt contend that you gain life as you move forward in it. So, if she feels that life begins at conception but it is okay to end that life at 28 weeks of pregnancy, what is to stop her from ending the childs life at 5 years old when the mother gets a job in another city and just doesnt feel like a child will fit in with those plans? Obviously Ms. Ireland wouldnt condone this, because it doesnt make any sense. Just like it doesnt make sense that one would condone an abortion for some arbitrary reason like the hopes and dreams of the pregnant woman, if you understand that life begins at conception.
Personally, I think this could prove to be the proverbial chink in the armor of the pro-abortion movement. I think we, in the pro-life community, need to hold her out as an example to demonstrate the absurdity of this position. I think they were able to pick up a lot of followers in the movement, because they sold them on the idea that life didnt begin at conception and therefore abortion wasnt murder. I dont think the general population of people who are pro-choice understand that life does begin at conception. What will be the impact now that one of their leaders has readily admitted on national television that it does?
The left will use ANY excuse to justify infanticide.
By his own admission, Tiller butchered 60,000 and more, and yet a corrupt law, that has protected the practioners in this gruesome holocaust, protected the man from the true rule of law.
Anyone blind to the sick, evil irony of that have accepted a deparved set of circumstances and strong delusion.
I mourn Tiller's family at the loss of their father and grandfather. I doubt seriously that they knew the full and graphic nature of what he was involed in.
But I absolutely refuse to mourn the fact that he, Dr. Tiller, a bloody, gruesome killer of fully formed babies...who were alive, who could FEEL THE PAIN of being literally ripped asunder, will himself murder no more.
THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]
It is the grimmest of ironies that one of the most savage, barbaric acts of evil in history began in one of the most modernized societies of its time, where so many markers of human progress became tools of human depravity: science that can heal, used to kill; education that can enlighten, used to rationalize away basic moral impulses; the bureaucracy that sustains modern life, used as the machinery of mass death, a ruthless, chillingly efficient system where many were responsible for the killing, but few got actual blood on their hands.Barack Obama April 24, 2009, Holocaust Remebernce Day, Chicago Sun Times.
The operating word here is “feels”.
Ireland’s eyes betrayed the deadness in her soul. She had a white smile, nicely cropped hair, and perfectly applied amke-up, but her eyes were dead as she spouted her vacuous cannards. The strong delusion under which Patricia Ireland has lain herself demands the occasional open acknowledgement else the antithetical reasoning would eventually corrode into exposing the truth being rejected simply by the absurdity of the positions people like Ireland must hold which are contradictory.
(the rape argument is a totally different discussion, so don't go there)
The pro-abortion crowd loves to bring up rape, incest and the woman's life as the reason for infanticide, but as soon as the facts are brought to light this argument collapses.
Fact: There are over 1.3 million abortions performed in the United States each year, this works out to more than 3500 per day.
Fact: The incidence of pregnancy from rape is extremely low (for a rape pregnancy to occur, a woman must be raped on one of couple of days a month when she is ovulating and even when this happens the trauma often prevents pregnancy), it is estimated that the number of pregnancies from rape each year is between 3000 and 5000. Additionally, and the abortionists NEVER acknowledge this, many rape victims choose to keep their babies.
Fact: The incidence of pregnancy from incest is so low that there aren't even any good statistics available. Men who commit incest generally take care to avoid times when the girl is ovulating and the incest often stops altogether when the girl begins to menstruate.
Fact: NOBODY has suggested that a woman not be allowed to have abortions if her life is actually at risk, in fact these were available long before Roe v. Wade.
Fact: Of the over 1.3 million abortions each year in the United States, well over 95% are performed for convenience and nothing else.
And the most unbelievable thing to me is that millions, if not BILLIONS, of people think that is a sound rationalization and does make it legitimate.
It simply is insanity.
So she thinks that people should be allowed to murder for convenience.
This shows how lurid pro-abort rational has evolved. In the past they held to the cover of life not beginning until breath. Now they concede that abortion kills but if that is what a woman wants , they then grant the power of death.
Well and truly stated. It is astonishing to those of us who have been in this struggle since Roe v Wade was issued. The descent into irrational evil is always astonishing, except to those under strong delusion.
Praying for them.
Damn those fetuses! Who invited them anyway??? /s
Might makes right?
I like the Feminists For Life point that if you really hated the idea of a man being able to pick on you or belittle a woman because he was physically bigger and louder than you, how are you any different or better when you abort your baby? You are just pushing somebody around who can’t stand up for herself because you are much bigger than she is and she will not be able to answer back.
Also, considering that the pro-life position requires greater responsibility, and much inconvenience, perhaps we should be more amazed and gratified than we are, that so many people remain pro-life, despite several decades of pressure to give it up and “not judge”.
Yes, I agree we should be happy that there are as many pro-life people as there are but, in this case, it's not clear that we shouldn't "judge" as in making our arguments and opinions known. Ultimate judgment isn't ours, of course.
We must render unto Caeser in terms of the law - no murdering baby killers - but trying to increase the number of people who respect life from conception to natural death, except in extremely limited *adult* criminal cases, seems the appropriate and responsible thing to do IMO.
If polls can be trusted it seems that a sort of generic pro-life world view is increasing in popularity. This is good news!
If it wasn’t a human life, why would they want to kill it?
1. “not judge”
Just to clarify, I didn’t mean we shouldn’t judge. I was referring to the attitude of many people who think you can’t take a moral position condemning something because that would be “judging” somebody, which is considered hypocritical and very un-PC. There is a lot of social pressure to “not judge”. So I was just saying that I’m impressed that so many people have gotten past that and taken a stand for life.
2. Your formulation of respecting life from conception through natural death, except in very limited adult criminal cases sounds like what I thought Pope John Paul II taught. A few people at my Catholic parish seem to know about his take on the death penalty. I guess I should be glad for those few. (And glad for you!)
If it wasnt a human life, why would they want to kill it?
Well, giving birth is an inconvenience whether you’re delivering human, a puppy or a turtle.
And it also really gets me when people abort because they “could never put their own baby up for adoption.”
( I think it is time to insert a logic curriculum in middle school or high school, to try to save people from their own twisted thinking. Ok, I’m done with my tangent.)
Yeah, well, the heck with that. ;0)
Your formulation of respecting life from conception through natural death
Although I'm not Catholic I think those very words are from a Catholic source and I believe them with all my heart.
‘During the course of their conversation, OReilly asked Ms. Ireland when she believes life begins. She responded by saying, “I think immediately upon conception there is life.” She believes just as you and I do that life begins at conception! How then does she reconcile the fact that abortion is murder with a womans right to choose? She went onto say, “but that is the wrong question. Fetuses do not grow inside Petri dishes, they grow inside real live women who have their own issues of health, their own responsibilities, their own dreams and hopes.’
I think we should thank her for her intellectual honesty. I’d rather battle a liberal who is truthful about objective facts(i.e., life begins at conception) than one who deliberately lies about objective facts.