Posted on 06/06/2009 2:30:48 PM PDT by vaper69
Whoa … this isn’t a study that paints teachers in a positive light, but it doesn’t paint minority students in one either. We’re faced with some tough questions here. Do teachers prefer non-black students, or are black students more difficult for teachers on average?
It should be noted that even black teachers are relocating, and it doesn’t completely focus on just black students. Other minorities are discussed as well as economic class.
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Yo, teacher, teach this.
Any bets on how long it takes for Obama to make leaving a school that has high numbers of blacks illegal?
....or maybe the Thuggery Culture they may have brought with them......
Hm.
"an associate professor of labor economics at Cornell University, in Ithaca, N.Y., "
Also, "Hm"
That sounds like it should have been part of Atlas Shrugged.
Eh, just kick em in the throat, they’ll calm down.
Could it be that the teachers are fleeing a government school system that is guaranteed to fail with these troubled children?
By the way, I will do a Google search on the words KIPP schools and teachers morale. I bet the morale in these schools for the teachers is quite high. Why? Success and systems that work are a morale builders.
As much as public schools are criticized here, I think we can all agree that even the most dedicated of public school teachers can only do so much for “students” from these environments, especially when discipline is removed from the classroom entirely.
Very well stated, and very true.
Why do I have a hard time believing this wouldn’t be happening if it were an influx of Japanese and Chinese students??
It’s the behaviour, stupid.
I mean come on, if you have to tell a kid with cornrows to do something he doesn't want to do-- it's gonna be a long day.
I wouldn't attribute these differences to race, obviously, but to culture, media, etc.
Its not the color of the students, but the culture. Black students know they are members of a privileged, protected class and act accordingly. Most come from single parent homes and have no concept of proper behavior, respect for adults and authority. Scholastic performance is considered acting “white” and selling out. Being disruptive and disrespectful is cool. Being threatening and abusive towards teachers and other students is accepted and and encouraged.
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Bravo. Well said
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Now add to that all of their assertiveness, aggression and self-esteem - you have bands of idiots who think they are actually smart.
Not to mention the fact that the males have 19% more testosterone, which makes them more aggressive.
Politically incorrect? Yes.
True? Yes.
I was visiting Jamaica recently. The students there wear uniforms. They were behaved exceedingly well, at least what I saw of them. I inquired of my driver about the discipline in the schools. He said it was pretty good, but that there are liberal ideals that are stopping the old school discipline. So I believe it is a combination of racial bigotry and liberal discipline in America that is destroying the black students.
The black students in America grow up in a culture of hate. They are taught that whites are responsible for persecuting blacks and are keeping them down. They are also taught that Jews are bad and are responsible for all the ills of the Mideast.
The parents who allowed this culture of hatred to grow must realize that they are reaping what they have sown. A bunch of kids who are being groomed to be hate filled bigots are not ideal students and later on in life they will not be model citizens.
Many blacks are heroic and stand up to this atmosphere of hatred and reject it. To them my hat is off and I will stand by their side in tough times. To the others, you should not be surprised. The hatred that you have accepted and passed on in your culture is biting you in the a$$.
You are correct on every point you make. Also, they come to school filled with parent-taught hate. A young mind filled with hate has a very hard time assimilating new knowledge.
Many successful blacks I have known have been in the military or raised in a military family. Either that or from a strict, religious family. If one is surrounded by a culture of mediocrity, it must be a rare person or family who rises above it. Also, my sister, who has been a middle school and elementary teacher for years, says that single mothers in the black community are stricter with their daughters than their sons, and let the sons slide.
“Its not the color of the students, but the culture. Black students know they are members of a privileged, protected class and act accordingly. Most come from single parent homes and have no concept of proper behavior, respect for adults and authority. Scholastic performance is considered acting “white” and selling out. Being disruptive and disrespectful is cool. Being threatening and abusive towards teachers and other students is accepted and and encouraged.”
Bingo!
See for example this Slate review of the KIPP book Work Hard. Be Nice.
KIPP (Knowledge is Power Program) is "a national network of free, open-enrollment, college-preparatory public schools with a track record of preparing students in underserved communities for success in college and in life. There are currently 66 KIPP schools in 19 states and the District of Columbia serving over 16,000 students."
The reviewer agrees that KIPP works, but largely through self-selection. Families choose KIPP because they are committed to their kid's education. The same kids, with the same families, would probably have succeeded elsewhere.
The review concludes:
"There's something perversely evasive about KIPP's opening up just one school in Dallas, one school in Albany, N.Y., one school in Oakland, Calif., one school in Charlotte, N.C., one school in Nashville, Tenn., and so on—as if the program recognizes that its best chance at success is to be the exception rather than the rule in any city where it operates. Perhaps this approach made sense in the program's early years, when it needed to build credibility and attract financing. But now it has done both. Until KIPP tries to succeed within an entire, single community, it is, for all its remarkable rise and deserved praise, just another model program that has yet to prove it can succeed with all—or even most—disadvantaged children."
Do the math.
And the sociology.
The same kids, with the same families, would probably have succeeded elsewhere.
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The children chosen by lottery to attend KIPP do better than those children who lost the admissions lottery.
As shocking as this might sound, I’ve heard some older black people say that the black kids learned more in the days of inferior segregated schools. And a lot of what they talk about is the behavior and respect for education that existed back then. Back then, the kids and their parents valued education, even though they were attending inferior schools. This whole gang culture/thug culture/baby mama culture didn’t exist back then the way it does now.
Most teachers are liberals and they live in a world of lies, ignorance and deception. Put some black kids in their classroom and they revert back to the racist origins of their Democratic Party.
“Most come from single parent homes and have no concept of proper behavior, respect for adults and authority.”
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Very well stated! I said something like this to a group of people the other day, and I was called a racist. The bottom line is, whether black, white, or hispanic, when you are not raised with good social behavior, people aren’t going to want to be around you.
I applaud the teachers for doing what they needed to do. It is their job, their pay, and their sanity they have to look out for. I don’t blame them for wanting to work with students who know how to behave themselves.
You know, I saw something at the Univ. I attend regarding teachers degrees. You can get certain teaching degrees but you have to sign a contract to work in an under served school for so many years, then you can move on to a different school.
Can anything be done for the other kids? Is Green Dot, Arne Duncan's current favorite, the solution?
Thanks for the input. Interesting.
By the way, I certainly hope not. Green Dot sounds too much like boot camp for Obama’s civil army.
Selective forgetting in the USA Today article. Back then, you may recall, white teachers were targeted by the race baiters as causing black students to fail because they were not able to relate to them and white teachers were said to be inherently racist.
Every conflict; every black quota failure was blamed on “racist white teachers.” The reason for this was to chase out white teachers so they could be replaced by “superior” black teachers. The race pimps were into segregated tribe building, not integration with whitey and surely not interested in excellent teachers.
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