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To: BP2; Calpernia

BP2, do not even come CLOSE to allowing yourself to be identified with this guy. Post your post anywhere but here. Hal Turner is a nazi, pure and simple, and nothing but. For anyone to simply identify him as a talk show host is misleading and fallacious in its sin of omission.
He does an internet hate show. Freedom of speech is one thing. What he has done on his off time is NOT simple hate speech.
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Harold Charles “Hal” Turner is an American white nationalist and white supremacist from North Bergen, New Jersey. He runs his program, The Hal Turner Show, as a webcast from his home once a week, and depends on donations from his listeners. He quit the show in July 2008 and resumed in April 2009. In August 2008 his website also closed down, though he retains a blog.

Turner promotes antisemitism (including the rounding up and killing of Jews)[1] and opposes the existence of the state of Israel.[2] He also denies the Holocaust.[3] In 2005, Turner organized what he billed as a “rally against violence” after a white student was beaten by a black student at a high school. In 2006, he got into a fight with Jaime Vazquez, a former Jersey City deputy mayor, after Vazquez called him a “racist coward”. Turner has made numerous threats against political figures on his website and in other forums.

Early career
Identifying himself as “Hal from North Bergen”, Turner became notable in American conservative circles as a frequent caller to WABC radio talk shows hosted by Bob Grant and Sean Hannity.[4] Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan’s 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Party candidate Murray Sabrin in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.[5]

Turner reportedly established a friendship with Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.[4] However, when confronted by the New Black Panther Party’s Malik Zulu Shabazz about his association with Turner (in light of Hannity’s scrutiny of Barack Obama’s association with Jeremiah Wright), Hannity at first denied knowing Turner, then said he had banned Turner from his radio station, and that he never supported Turner’s views. Turner subsequently posted this response on his website: “I was quite disappointed when Sean Hannity at first tried to say he didn’t know me. In fact, Sean does know me and we were quite friendly a few years ago.”[6][7]

Turner became a talk radio host, joining fellow regular callers Frank from Queens and John from Staten Island to start the program The Right Perspective. Turner left the program in 2002, citing artistic differences. In 2002, Turner became a solo host, purchasing a time slot on shortwave radio station WBCQ, over which he broadcast for approximately four years. He gave up this show on WBCQ on March 22, 2004 for a few reasons: financial support from the listening audience had faded,[8][9] the owner of the station Allan Weiner was Jewish, Turner had health problems,[10] and his personal financial condition was deteriorating. This led to the temporary closure of his website and show.

2000 Congressional election
In the 2000 US congress election, Turner sought, but did not receive, the Republican Party nomination for election to the United States Congress from New Jersey’s 13th congressional district, losing to Theresa de Leon.[11][12] Turner has identified himself as the “Chairman of the Republican Party of Hudson County, NJ Corp,” a group which has no connection to the official Hudson County Republican Party recognized by the state and national party. According to news reports, Hudson County Republican officials have stated that Turner’s party is a “paper corporation with little or no membership”.[13]

Rally against violence
In response to an October 7, 2005, assault against a white student by a black student at Kingston High School, Turner, working with the white nationalist group National Vanguard, organized a rally which he called a “rally against violence”.[14] The case resulted in the perpetrator being indicted as an adult with two felony counts: assault and attempted assault.[15][16] He characterized the rally both as “pro-white” and “against violence”.[17][18] The victim’s mother chose not to attend the rally.[17] In response, local residents, including political and religious leaders, organized a number of “Unity Rallies” with a tolerance theme.[19] When the rally occurred on November 19, 2005, Turner and the National Vanguard attracted approximately 50 demonstrators, compared to the 100 counter-demonstrators.[20]

Jaime Vazquez encounter
On April 12, 2006, Turner had a physical altercation with Jaime Vazquez, a former Jersey City Deputy Mayor and member of the Jersey City Council, who was the Jersey City Commissioner of Veterans Affairs at the time. The North Bergen Reporter quoted Turner as saying “(t)he illegal immigrants are breaking the law, and people like me should break the law as well by shooting them down.” In response, Vazquez picketed with a sign reading “Hal Turner — shoot me! Racists and bigots like you are cowards.”[21] Vazquez suffered a back injury and a fractured wrist. Turner and Vazquez later filed criminal charges against each other. On July 16, 2006 North Bergen Municipal Court Judge Joseph Romano found both men to be equally credible and thus neither criminally liable.[22]

Threats against judges and political figures
In 2005, Turner publicized the names of three federal court judges who handled lawsuits involving Matt Hale.[23] Turner posted the judges’ names and addresses on his Web site.[23][24]

On December 6, 2006, Turner announced on his website:

“We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic... Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the country is in mortal danger from our present government and our liberty is already near dead because of this government. If you are too stupid to turn things around with your vote, there are people out here like me who are willing to turn things around with guns, force and violence. We hope our method does not become necessary.”[25]

Since the announcement was made, Turner has had difficulties finding a host for his website. He alleged that his website has been the target of denial of service attacks, and subsequently filed a pro se lawsuit.[26][27][28]

On April 4, 2008, Turner encouraged violence against Lexington, Massachusetts school superintendent Paul Ash for establishing a new curriculum supporting gays and lesbians. On his website, he stated:

“I advocate parents using FORCE AND VIOLENCE against Superintendent Paul B. Ash as a method of defending the health and safety of school children presently being endangered through his politically-correct indoctrination into deadly, disease-ridden sodomite lifestyles.”[29]

He went on to provide Ash’s personal information, including his address.[29]

Anonymous website raid
According to Turner, in December 2006 and January 2007, individuals who identified themselves as Anonymous took Turner’s website offline, and cost him thousands of dollars in bandwidth bills. He retaliated by sending a “formal legal notice of criminal activity in violation of several federal laws” by email to 7chan, multacom, and multicom, as well as redirecting his domain to 420chan, causing that site to take a bandwidth hit as well.[30][31][32] He also sued 4chan, eBaum’s World, 7chan, and other websites in court over copyright infringement. He lost his plea for an injunction, however, and failed to receive letters from the court, which caused the lawsuit to lapse.[33]

Informant allegations
Allegations that Turner acts as an informant to the FBI surfaced after unidentified hackers claimed on Turner’s website’s forums that they had read email correspondence between him and an FBI agent, apparently his handler.[34] This led to a discussion on a neo-Nazi website on January 10, 2008, in which Turner revealed he was quitting political work, was ending his radio show and that he was separating “from the ‘pro-White’ movement”.[34] Both the FBI and Turner declined to comment on the matter.[34] The Southern Poverty Law Center later reported that they had “revealed... that Turner was an FBI informant”[35] and the Anti-Defamation League reported that “a neo-Nazi Website had posted material reportedly found by the hackers, including alleged exchanges between himself and law enforcement agents that indicated that Turner had been providing information to them.”[36]

Arrest
On June 3, 2009, Turner was arrested and charged with inciting injury to two politicians in Connecticut and a state ethics official.[37] The warrant issued was for inciting his website’s readers to “take up arms” against the officials.[38] He was arrested in New Jersey and is pending extradition to Connecticut
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And this is minor stuff compared to the massive amount of OTHER stuff he was involved in.


38 posted on 06/13/2009 11:01:16 PM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
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To: MestaMachine
Point well taken. Reading his biography, he definitely sounds like someone not to be identified with. Calling for the killing of ANYONE is abhorrent. Scumbag is too weak of a word.

BUT once again ... Free Speech IS Free Speech. The Framers knew some people had no sense of decorum, and may utter infuriating words, and yet still placed no limits on what could be said. That doesn't mean we as individuals can't find some words vile and reprehensible -- but we limit actions people undertake, not the (idiotic) words they utter.

If our country is strong enough for THIS Leftist rhetoric and survive as NOT to prosecute those responsible using the new Terrorism Laws:
AND

We probably have enough tolerance for some of this garbage, too:
AND

And even a little bit of tripe from a Judge and Reverend:
AND

As long as they don't hurt anyone, advocate hurting anyone, or are in a position of power as to let their racial views taint their decisions, we should survive as a nation.


39 posted on 06/14/2009 12:19:33 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: MestaMachine

The left, which includes a US senator (John Kerry) have been advocting violence against those who opppse their agenda for over 40 years.

Who here can forget, Ruby Ridge, Waco, the VVAW plot to murder 19 US senators who supported the Viet-Nam war, the VVAW plot to murder Nixon and Agnew. The Weather Underground’s failed plot to bomb a USO dance in NJ that was attended by hundreds of US servicemen, the bombing of a NYC police station, the bombing of the US Capital building, the bombing of the pentigon. The recent murder in DC by a ultra left-wing socialist.

The war has already started, most just refuse to see the truth.

My money says there will be violence at some of the upcoming Tea parties brought on by leftists and or government troops or agents.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 6:23:41 AM PDT by stockpirate (The 2nd amendment protects all other rights as outlined in our constitution. Without it we fall.)
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To: MestaMachine

The left, which includes a US senator (John Kerry) have been advocting violence against those who opppse their agenda for over 40 years.

Who here can forget, Ruby Ridge, Waco, the VVAW plot to murder 19 US senators who supported the Viet-Nam war, the VVAW plot to murder Nixon and Agnew. The Weather Underground’s failed plot to bomb a USO dance in NJ that was attended by hundreds of US servicemen, the bombing of a NYC police station, the bombing of the US Capital building, the bombing of the pentigon. The recent murder in DC by a ultra left-wing socialist. The two attempts on President Ford’s life. The VVAW smuggling guns and supplies to black radicals who had murdered apolice officer. The two police officers murdered by members of the Weather Underground in an armored car hold up. The list goes on.

The war has already started, most just refuse to see the truth.

My money says there will be violence at some of the upcoming Tea parties brought on by leftists and or government troops or agents.


43 posted on 06/14/2009 6:28:30 AM PDT by stockpirate (The 2nd amendment protects all other rights as outlined in our constitution. Without it we fall.)
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