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Bill O'Reilly Vs. Joan Walsh: the Shootout
The Provocateur ^ | 06/13/2009 | Mike Volpe

Posted on 06/13/2009 5:36:19 PM PDT by fiscon1

Ms. Walsh was one of the chief critics that accused of having some responsibility for the killing of Dr. George Tiller. Most O'Reilly critics would never actually criticize him to his face so she definitely gets credit for coming in and facing the fire.

The debate started with a critical question from O'Reilly. Does Ms. Walsh believe that a fetus in the third trimester have any rights? It took her a long time to answer the question but ultimately she believes that no fetus has any rights at any time.

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1 posted on 06/13/2009 5:36:20 PM PDT by fiscon1
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To: fiscon1

His arguments on this topic are getting really old IMO. If it’s legal, it’s legal. You can’t say “you should’ve stopped because it was wrong” if it’s legal. He’s wearing out that mantra to the point that I’ve started changing the channel.


2 posted on 06/13/2009 5:39:06 PM PDT by TheZMan ("I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.")
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To: TheZMan

Slavery was legal. Should we not have stopped it?


3 posted on 06/13/2009 5:41:21 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. ~Hussein Obama)
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To: TheZMan

Of course you can say that, as people have said that in the past. There is a difference between wrong and legal.


4 posted on 06/13/2009 5:43:55 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: TheZMan

That’s not his argument. That’s Joan Walsh’s argument. He didn’t say that “you should have stopped it”. He said that everyone should condemn it. One reason why this process is still legal in some states is because not enough people are speaking out against it.


5 posted on 06/13/2009 5:43:55 PM PDT by fiscon1
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To: TheZMan
Slavery was also legal at one time, was exposing it as the horror it was wrong?

Abortion is murder, murder of the most defenseless, is exposing the horror that is late term partial birth abortion wrong because it is legal.

6 posted on 06/13/2009 5:44:55 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: fiscon1
More Americans oppose abortion than support it. They should speak out against it with their votes.


7 posted on 06/13/2009 5:47:06 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. ~Hussein Obama)
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To: fiscon1

Arrogant something or other. He was in his prime on inside edition. Very poor representative for most things conservative. He loves it and the check I’m sure.


8 posted on 06/13/2009 5:47:14 PM PDT by allmost
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To: TheZMan
Your argument happens to be immoral.
That is what the Nazis and the Communists and the Fascists always say!

Our country has become illegal, in many ways.

The laws themselves, are not legal, if you apply the Constitution to them.

I am NO fan of Bill O’Reilly, but he is right on this one.

Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

9 posted on 06/13/2009 5:48:41 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Rumplemeyer

O’Reilly did say that he respected Walsh for coming on the show to face him, even though he completely disagrees with her.

I saw the interview, and the woman kept trying to talk her way around giving a direct answer.

I heard part of the “anecdotal evidence” the Walsh talked about. Cold hard numbers say she’s lying.

Walsh also tried to claim her “experts” disagreed with the expert O’Reilly brought in. Odd thing was, though, Walsh didn’t name her “experts.”

Walsh also talked about keeping abortion “rare.” Well, several million abortions later says that Walsh done very little to make abortion “rare.”


10 posted on 06/13/2009 5:49:22 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: Rumplemeyer
Also, I watched the exchange, Ms. Walsh was very uncomfortable trying to defend her self, she could not answer the questions, only bable her talking points and try to talk over O'Reilly.
11 posted on 06/13/2009 5:50:04 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: fiscon1

I wonder is Ms. Walsh is a Mother?


12 posted on 06/13/2009 5:51:31 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (http://isportsdigest.tripod.com)
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To: South40

Actually, when it comes to actual LEGISLATION, the majority has ALWAYS supported:

Bans on late term abortion.

Parental involvement in the abortion decisions of minors.

No crossing of state lines, for minors, without parental consent, to obtain an abortion.

NO taxpayer funding of abortion, at any time.

Yes, the public has ALWAYS supported those limits, in ever single State, ever since Roe.

Also, the majority would support a complete ban on abortion, except for rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. This has ALWAYS been the case.


13 posted on 06/13/2009 5:51:45 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: fiscon1
She admits to favoring NO protection for babies in the womb right up to delivery. She also admits that she thinks Dr. Tiller was an American here.

Well, Joan, 56,000 were killed in Buchenwald...and the world justafiaby, and understandably condemns the holocaust and hunted down and executed the perpetrators.

By his own admission, Tiller butchered 60,000 and more, and yet a corrupt law, that has protected the practioners in this gruesome holocaust, protected the man from the true rule of law.

Anyone blind to the sick, evil irony of that have accepted a deparved set of circumstances and strong delusion.

I mourn Tiller's family at the loss of their father and grandfather. I doubt seriously that they knew the full and graphic nature of what he was involed in.

But I absolutely refuse to mourn the fact that he, Dr. Tiller, a bloody, gruesome killer of fully formed babies...who were alive, who could FEEL THE PAIN of being literally ripped asunder, will himself murder no more.

THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]

“It is the grimmest of ironies that one of the most savage, barbaric acts of evil in history began in one of the most modernized societies of its time, where so many markers of human progress became tools of human depravity: science that can heal, used to kill; education that can enlighten, used to rationalize away basic moral impulses; the bureaucracy that sustains modern life, used as the machinery of mass death, a ruthless, chillingly efficient system where many were responsible for the killing, but few got actual blood on their hands.”–Barack Obama April 24, 2009, Holocaust Remebernce Day, Chicago Sun Times.

14 posted on 06/13/2009 5:53:58 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: fiscon1

I’m not a BOR fan and most of the time I think he’s pretty much of a pin-head.

But he won this round against this baby killer witch.


15 posted on 06/13/2009 5:55:07 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kansas58
My sister, wife, and daughter, have all remarked in conversation unrelated in any way to the issue of abortion that they noticed a big difference in how they thought of being pregnant around 90 days into the pregnancy. I don't know how common it is, but all three of them say that the fetus became more separate from themselves somehow at that point, and that's when it started setting it's own schedule for exercise, inducing famine, demanding oddball food, etc.

Though male, I'll never understand how you have things like that going on with your own body and waddle in to an abortionist to "solve" the "problems". A large part of it may be the huge mood swings that I've witnessed close up with all the women I known during their pregnancy. All of a sudden the woman is just as happy as possible and half an hour later depressed doesn't even describe it. I wonder if anyone ever did a study of how those mood swings influence a woman getting an abortion and how much those are played upon to induce someone to have one? Regards

16 posted on 06/13/2009 6:02:17 PM PDT by Rashputin (blif)
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To: fiscon1

“O’Reilly critics would never actually criticize him to his face ...”

You mean, catch him with his pants down?


17 posted on 06/13/2009 6:05:15 PM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: Rashputin

You are right in more ways than one. These abortionists do nothing to counsel these women that they may suffer the consequences of their abortions for the rest of their lives. Many women are tortured for life about a decision that they make on the quick. The abortionists collects the money and tells them they will take care of “it”. It is only after that a woman may know that she has killed her child. They are a disgrace and the truth is most abortionists are in it for the easy money.


18 posted on 06/13/2009 6:12:25 PM PDT by Tessarie
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To: fiscon1

This woman is a radical vampire. She claimed in the interview she is a “pro-choice catholic”. When O’Reilly repeatedly asked her if she thinks these babies have any rights it reminded me of the guy pulling a crucifix from his jacket pocket and flashing it in Dracula’s face. She recoiled and tried to turn the subject away from the real point.

This sick, demented woman actually claimed to O’Reilly she is a catholic while defending this monster Tiller. We who are catholic need to purge these pro-abortion radicals from our church. Still no backlash on the Obama Notre Dame disgrace either.


19 posted on 06/13/2009 6:17:29 PM PDT by untwist
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To: stylin_geek
Walsh also talked about keeping abortion “rare.”

It's always curious to me how pro-choice advocates always want to keep abortions "rare." But, if the fetus is not a baby, or has no rights, why would they want to make abortion rare? It seems to me that with the "keep it rare" argument they are tacitly admitting that a fetus is a separate, individual human being.

20 posted on 06/13/2009 6:18:40 PM PDT by RightField (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: untwist

a pro choice catholic?

is that sort of like Jews for Jesus.


21 posted on 06/13/2009 6:25:24 PM PDT by fiscon1
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To: RightField

Good point.

If a fetus is not a baby, then, it shouldn’t matter if there have been 2 or 20 million abortions.


22 posted on 06/13/2009 6:29:29 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: untwist

“She recoiled and tried to turn the subject away from the real point.”

She threw out the old gun control argument and the jeneane garafolo. ?????? She was pulling out all the stops!
Its what liberals always do.


23 posted on 06/13/2009 6:31:21 PM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Rashputin
I agree completely.
The hormone and mood issues are some of the very reasons why I think any new anti-abortion laws should show compassion towards the mother.
I want to punish the butcher doctors!
24 posted on 06/13/2009 6:34:13 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: fiscon1

She unmasked herself and the true agenda of the “pro-choice” crowd. Really sick stuff.


25 posted on 06/13/2009 6:34:55 PM PDT by untwist
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To: jackv

Again a Dracula parallel. He only comes out at night. When BOR shined the spotlight of this sickness on her she naturally unraveled and started spewing this twisted, unrelated nonsense. You are right that liberals never hold up well under serious, truthful scrutiny. O’Reilly is often “the show” himself but I give credit where due. He was very strong on this and on the seriousness of the Notre Dame situation, with all that inappropriate hailing to Obama. This was a very instructive interview.


26 posted on 06/13/2009 6:40:51 PM PDT by untwist
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To: fiscon1

I watched most of that interview. Then it was time to go barf. She is completely void of a conscience. I bet she has no problem with Obama’s belief that if a child survives an attempted murder and breathes it’s first breath, it’s OK with them to kill the child after it is born too.


27 posted on 06/13/2009 6:47:17 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force." George Washington)
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To: South40

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT ARGUMENT!!!!

DING! DING! DING! DING! O’REILLY


28 posted on 06/13/2009 6:50:14 PM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: fiscon1

O’Reilly is right on this issue but he handled the debate poorly. Shouting down your opponent and screaming the same things over again are not persuasive. He can’t think very fast on his feet and his primary stock in trade is anger and yelling. We need some people who can speak to this issue in a way that shows others how we’re in the right.


29 posted on 06/13/2009 6:54:00 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: fiscon1
Besides the screaming at the TV I did with her as a typical dead-soul Pro-Abort, I noticed two things she tried;

1. When BOR played the John Hopkins Psych, she used the line 'What does that man know about what these women I've talked to have to go through" - as if stabbing a baby in the back of the head to suck its brains out so I can continue my life is somehow something only a woman can have a valid opinion about,

2. When BOR slammed her she said 'You'll be sorry...' - which I took as a threat of some kind. BOR didn't pick up on it on the air.

Bottom line, I don't always like his middle-of-the-road on different issues but on the rights of children on either side of the womb, he's a fierce warrior and I'm glad for that.
30 posted on 06/13/2009 6:59:39 PM PDT by time4good
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To: Mr. K

He brought up that one but it got no response and quickly lost in the warfare.


31 posted on 06/13/2009 7:00:56 PM PDT by time4good
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To: stylin_geek
Good point.

If a fetus is not a baby, then, it shouldn’t matter if there have been 2 or 20 million abortions.


Rush is starting to make this point more and more lately - one I am going to put in my quiver. If they mean what they say that it's not wrong - then why do they equivocate on frequency and circumstances - totally evil but their pricked consciences contradict.
32 posted on 06/13/2009 7:04:42 PM PDT by time4good
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To: fiscon1

More like Nazis for Judaism.Jews consider Jesus a prophet but not the Messiah. She is as much a Catholic as Obama is a Christian.


33 posted on 06/13/2009 7:06:22 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: fiscon1
a pro choice catholic?

is that sort of like Jews for Jesus.

It is more like meat eating vegetarian.

The lady was vile.

34 posted on 06/13/2009 7:16:37 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Cowboy Bob

Yep, she has a ten age daughter.


35 posted on 06/13/2009 7:19:32 PM PDT by mono
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To: Cowboy Bob
I wonder is Ms. Walsh is a Mother?

IMHO she's a "Mother" alright...

Regards,
GtG

PS That's only the half of it!

36 posted on 06/13/2009 7:23:27 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: time4good
2. When BOR slammed her she said 'You'll be sorry...' - which I took as a threat of some kind. BOR didn't pick up on it on the air.

I heard that as well, and remarked out loud that the woman just threatened BOR. I hope he comments on that specific remark soon. She definitely threatened him IMO.

37 posted on 06/13/2009 7:26:31 PM PDT by RightField (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: RightField

I emailed oreilly@foxnews.com to point that out. THAT should not go unanswered ON THE AIR. He needs to address that at the top of the next show. Email him so it’s more than just li’l ol’ me ;)


38 posted on 06/13/2009 7:33:19 PM PDT by time4good
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To: fiscon1
...ultimately she believes that no fetus has any rights at any time.

By her own statements and acknowledgment that she is a Roman Catholic, she should be excommunicated. This is where I have difficulty understanding why the Catholic Church tolerates those (many others - some politicians, some famous or celebrities) who blaspheme the basic doctrine of the church, yet continue to receive the sacraments and call themselves Catholics. The Church KNOWS who many of these outspoken people are, yet tolerates this disgusting and repulsive behavior that degrades the Church and all it stands for.

39 posted on 06/13/2009 8:00:19 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: South40

Where the heck were they in Nov?


40 posted on 06/13/2009 8:02:06 PM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: fiscon1

A lot of people are critical of O’Reilly, as I often am, but he has heart, as this interview attests. He is rightly outraged at the fact that thousands of babies are slaughtered in in the third trimester by butchers like Tiller. He hammered this woman, who he got to admit that Tiller was her “hero.”


41 posted on 06/13/2009 8:02:41 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: taildragger
Where the heck were they in Nov?

Many are minorities be they Catholic or Southern Baptist so they oppose abortion. But they love Zero and the entitlements promised them by the dimRAT party.

42 posted on 06/13/2009 8:07:32 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. ~Hussein Obama)
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To: Rashputin
Though male, I'll never understand how you have things like that going on with your own body and waddle in to an abortionist to "solve" the "problems".

Men are the problem. Ask anyone who works at a crisis pregnancy center. The director of a CPC (for over 30 years) told me that few women want to kill their babies. He said that they're often under pressure from the father to abort, or that they've been abandoned by the baby's father.

43 posted on 06/13/2009 8:09:15 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
Men are the problem....

I hope you're being sarcastic and not serious. That's such a distorted broad-brushed statement that's not even worth getting into it. It's troubling to read it from a regular here on FR.
44 posted on 06/13/2009 8:25:34 PM PDT by time4good
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To: allmost

He isn’t a conservative... he is a pro-life independent. I saw the exchange, she was disgusting, he let his emotions get the best of him, personally I wouldn’t have had her on.


45 posted on 06/13/2009 8:27:23 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Aquinasfan

“He said that they’re often under pressure from the father to abort, or that they’ve been abandoned by the baby’s father.”

I didn’t realize it was one of the most common causes, but I should have known. Does anyone, anywhere, under the age of say, 40, even use the term, “responsible” these days? Daddy is busy now is one thing, but “get rid of it”, my Gawd.

My wife married a guy who traveled a lot, usually gone about a week at a time once or twice a month. One day, the police showed up with a warrant for him on bigamy charges. All three of his other wives had been helping to find him with private detectives, etc., to try and get child support for his five other children. She and my granddaughter moved back in before my grandson was born, just after the wife and I had downsized to a cozy little house since the kids are gone. There was never even the thought of abortion around here despite the situation it put us all in.

Regards


46 posted on 06/13/2009 8:29:18 PM PDT by Rashputin (blif)
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To: jackv

That gun control argument was a straw man if I ever heard one. Look, they are violating Natural Law through a violent sadistic act. Abortion has been murder since Cain killed Abel and there is no Orwellian language that can fix it, but Lord how they have tried.

What is amazing is that something like 50% of all abortions are performed on black women.

A powerful website that speaks of a very real racist conspiracy carried out by the white supremacist descendants of Margaret Sanger:

www.blackgenocide.org


47 posted on 06/14/2009 6:52:55 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it matters who counts the votes. Joe Stalin)
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To: fiscon1
I saw the show! He really went after her and she threatened him.saying he would be sorry. I don't think he heard her because they were both talking at the same time.
48 posted on 06/14/2009 10:47:21 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: untwist

When she said that I got so mad and kept yelling,hell no,you are not a Christian of any sort. The church should have more moral courage and excommunicate them when they bring public scandal on to the church!


49 posted on 06/14/2009 10:52:03 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: time4good

I actually email his show to ask him if anybody caught the threat!


50 posted on 06/14/2009 10:54:32 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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