Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 06/13/2009 8:23:19 PM PDT by blueyon
The goal seems to be nothing short of eradicating American farms and self-sustainability.
Even DEMOCRATS are opposing the Obama Energy Bill. Climate change legislation will be utterly devastating for American farmers. Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) of the House Agriculture Committee says that not only will he not vote for it, but no one else on his committee will support it either. The bill would increase the cost of everything that farmers depend on, such as diesel fuel, gasoline, fertilizers, pesticides, and a host of other things. It would raise taxes on energy by $846 billion over the next ten years. Due to the fact that farming is so energy intensive, one major study shows that it would reduce farm income by $8 billion or 28% over the next four years, by $25 billion (or by 60%) through 2024, and by $50 billion (or by 94%) by 2035 [source: Heritage Foundation study]. Many are shaking their heads in amazement over the proposed impact.
Cap and trade legislation would utterly devastate the agricultural community with stratospheric operating costs, and would just as utterly destroy rural America.
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Are we going to have another bunch of Marxists committing genocide by mass starvation in America like Stalin did in the Ukraine?
It seems like Obama wants to fundamentally change America. There’s hope and change for you. Now he’s wanting to change farming and agriculture, for the worse in my opinion. Is there any sector of the economy or society that he won’t get his hands on?
In retrospect, it was foreshadowing during the primary season, when he said that Reagan was a transformational figure, and that he wanted to be transformational..............
I’m not an expert on farming, but even I can tell this will be a disaster.
We are fundamentally F*cked my friend!
So then as I read this thing it’s a P-O-W-E-R grab by the Leftist,Socialist,Democrat Government majority to control not only our Healthcare which is a topic on another thread, but as in this thread the Energy, and the Food necessary to sustain our lives.
Those three categories of essentials of life along with the economics aspect in which they have already screwed us appear to pretty much wrap it all up into one neat little “GOTCHA”.
Have I summed it up correctly?
You know it’s got to be bad when even dems are that opposed to it.
My thoughts exactly. That’s how most famines occur, is through the government mismanagement and corruption, not necessarily natural disasters.
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Obama and his handlers must be stopped no matter WHAT it takes !
The headline is a bit long.....
“Obama’s plan to destroy America”!
Destroying farms. Destroying businesses. Bull-dozing cities and moving people into the inner city ghettos. Sounds like an extermination plan.
Yup. Throw into that mix the business about Monsanto and other seed companies trying to control the seed supply, and we re so screwed.
There is much written about how the Obama Administration is employing the same tactics as the Fabian Socialists. One book, The Road Ahead, written by John T. Flynn, describes Fabian Socialism as "creeping revolution" overtaking the Constitutional system handed to us by our forefathers. Flynn wrote about the fine line between the Fabian Socialist and Fascism:
". . . the line between Fascism and Fabian Socialism is very thin. Fabian Socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian Socialism plus the inevitable dictator."
The warnings about this transformational strategy have run throughout history and are well described in numerous writings. In 1942, Stuart Chase, in his book The Road We Are Traveling spelled out the goals of Fabian Socialism. It is incredible that these goals were shown so long ago and the people of this free country have sat on their butts while it has come to 2009 America with their front man Zer0:
1. Strong, centralized government.
2. Powerful Executive at the expense of Congress and the Judicial.
3. Government controlled banking, credit and securities exchange.
4. Government control over employment.
5. Unemployment insurance, old age pensions.
6. Universal medical care, food and housing programs.
7. Access to unlimited government borrowing.
8. A managed monetary system.
9. Government control over foreign trade.
10. Government control over natural energy sources, transportation and agricultural production.
11. Government regulation of labor.
12. Youth camps devoted to health discipline, community service and ideological teaching consistent with those of the authorities.
13. Heavy progressive taxation.
This once proud nation will be a fascist state by 2010 if we let confusion about the nature of this enemy take our freedom away. I suggest that everyone study up, dissect this virus and unite with all our might to defeat it.
It should be evident that while Socialist no longer use the name that the plan is Socialism at its heart. The Fabian Socialist Revolution began in earnest in this country in 1933 with the imposition of the Welfare State and has been steadily progressing since. Those who are promoting this system, whether in the Republican Party or Democratic Party, are nothing less than Traitors, guilty of a type of high treason that deserves the most punitive penalty for such treachery. Listen carefully to the propositions of both McCain and Obama; I suspect that you will quickly find both of their positions are not only similar, but propose in essence and detail the Fabian Socialist construct. The system that these marauders are imposing upon us will ultimately alter our system of government beyond recognition.
It is all accomplished with the utmost respectability of course, they would not dream of such an imposition without popular support and they will make sure that they have popular support.
In 1933, they proposed that private enterprise had failed leaving the jobless to starve, hope to fade and that the State must step in to save the country and protect the people from the dangers associated with the inherent problems of free enterprise. Today, the call is very similar, the State must step in to protect the people. The Corporate State is, in the minds of Fabians, the ultimate protector of the common man, the provider of security on all fronts, but it requires our complete compliance and the relinquishment of our liberty in exchange. The State is to ultimately be the only one allowed wealth, the problem is that wealth is the people's wealth confiscated in exchange for their hard labor. It is, in essence, a plan for a modern feudal society of peonage and the people are the peons.
Proofs of a Conspiracy? Look around...
We are reaching the point in time when DemocRat Sinators and Rep’s realize that they will be thrown out in Nov. 2010 if they continue supporting O Idiot’s initiatives. This is good in that Barackski’s progress will be slowed but it is bad if these DemocRat slugs don’t get thrown out.
“Destroying farms. Destroying businesses. Bull-dozing cities and moving people into the inner city ghettos. Sounds like an extermination plan.”
Yup, that’s how Mugabe has done it....Oh! You mean Obama! Well, same story.
Obama does not like our culture, and he is not going to allow us to have one. We will be lucky to keep alive.
Why do we sit around like drowning ducks?
Or South Africa?
A Gemma Meyer observation...
Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country...
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=16922
You know the stories about “Grandma” having to eat dog food...standby...
They are going to drive the price of fresh produce through the roof.
Anyone with a lawn should start planning now for next year’s Victory Garden.
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I tack toward the Goldberg model of fascism. I believe that model tells us that the line between fascism and Fabian socialism is itself a dream, there is no distinction, since it is possible to have fascism without a dictator (Wilson, Roosevelt).
It sure as hell does.
We are having a record setting cold spring and this, all by itself, could cause massive crop failures, driving the cost of food to record levels this coming winter. Fellow FReepers, as a public service, put food by for yourselves and your families. It will be worth more than the toilet paper they let us use as money.
Don’t look at their shiny puppets. Keep your eye on the basic needs.
The prices are already very high. We have one grocery store within about 45 miles that consistently has low produce prices. We buy enough for several months and keep them fresh in Green Bags or chop and freeze or dehydrate whatever we can’t keep long enough. The costs of electricity and labor has driven up the price of canned vegetables. Frozen vegetables often are on sale and you can buy bulk and rebag in the vacuum bags that you can microwave, but then, the problem is having alternative power to keep the freezers going in case of a power loss.
For fresh produce, the only alternative in winter in the North is container gardening or hydroponic gardening under lights. It is possible for lettuce and cherry tomatoes. To produce enough for 2 people to have 3-4 salads/week costs about $100- $200 one time per each set-up that lasts quite a while and about 65 watts/each of electricity for 16 hours/day, using compact florescent grow lights. I have CFLs that are still good after 2 full years. I haven’t yet tried the LED balanced color grow lights, but they appear to be cheaper both to buy and to run. Miniature or dwarf plant varieties do the best.
Our gardens supply fresh produce for only a few months. For the year between harvests, it is canned/frozen or dried vegetables.
A lawn is usually thin soil and a mat of grass roots. It takes about 3 years to get all the grass out and to amend enough to have the 8”-12” of loose tilled soil needed to grow something.
OTOH, a supply of canned or dried tomatoes will provide enough vitamin C for health through the period between harvests.
This is my 3rd year of learning to grow container vegetables inside during the winter. It is, like anything else, a learning curve. I have found a miniature tomato and a regular lettuce that are easy to grow, taste great and provide at least some fresh produce to supplement our other sources. After 3 years of successfully drying tomatoes and apples, I am going to be branching out this year to peppers, potatoes and other vegetables. In humid areas, you will likely need silicon gel pacs to put in with the dehydrated veggies. The plastic ones used in medication bottles can be recharged by a couple of hours in the oven on low or 170 degrees. My vet saves them for me. You can buy silica gel for drying flowers and make your own.
Here is a website that compares dehydrated veggies to fresh
http://waltonfeed.com/old/self/deh-veg.html
and here is one for miniature/dwarf varieties suitable for container growing
http://www.containerseeds.com/index.html
For some produce, you can buy them very cheap in bulk at harvest time and then preserve them yourself. Sweet corn, for example, costs about $40 for a years supply for two people. There are loads of instructions online for preservation techniques.
This is my hobby and it is a fair amount of extra time/work throughout the year. But it is rewarding in terms of self-sufficiency and I find that growing things reduces stress, for me, at least. I can’t yet say I have saved money, but if these energy plans actually happen, we will at least have access to produce year round.
We will be canning and freezing, to be sure.
I’m growing potatoes and tomatoes quite successfully (so far so good) on ground converted from lawn in April. It is a matter of tilling in plenty of mulch and fertilizer.
I looked at the cost of those LED grow lights...holy schnikies! I think I’ll stick with my plan to use fluorescents (for greens and maybe cherry tomatoes). Could you tell me quite specifically which CFLs you’re using?
You could create a solar dehydrator with some bits of used lumber, a piece of glass and some dowels from the hardware store. I’ve seen one in action and it’s a pretty sweet setup.
Oh, and I can hear my Thanksgiving turkey tweeting away in the nursery with her five Barred Rock sisters.
I'm brand new at this, but yes, I agree completely.
...and I find that growing things reduces stress...
Oh yes, immensely.
I know some pro-Obama farmers, and I just don’t get it. I need to ask them how they feel about this...
For the potted plants (tomatoes)I also used 2 24-watt fluorescent long tubes,called Sun Tubes by Ott Lite. I found them at Home Dept. They are on chain supports with hooks at the top of the shelving unit I used this winter, so I could easily raise them as the tomatoes grew. I used a space blanket tucked into the shelving unit frame to keep the plants warmer and reflect back more light and I added regular GE curly fluorescents (26 actual watts=100 watts)in cheap shop reflectors as soon as flowers appeared. It made a difference. I could see that the light from the regular fluorescents was warmer than the long tubes. Also, perhaps because of the reflectors(?) it seemed that there WAS some added heat from the curly bulbs. Logees (online) has heated pots that use very little electricity. They usually have them on sale for $40 in the summer. Tomatoes will grow in cooler temps if the roots are warm. I have two pots at the moment and they did well last year.
These are the LEDs I was looking at:
While there are some very spendy ones, there are smaller ones around $40. But I don't know enough yet about the color, except that the bluish ones are for foliage and the red ones for flowers/fruits. There are also $15-$30 long fluorescents used for aquariums that seem like they would fit into a regular fluorescent tube fixture.
People have told me they have used regular fluorescents for light supplementation for tropical house plants in the winter before the CFLs were available and it worked for that purpose. I tried the 75 watt incandescent grow lights, but they are expensive to use and get hot and they burn out much faster.
We have really humid conditions in the summer (SW WI). Would a solar dehydrator work, here? We get heavy dews, too. I know my electric one (elderly Ronco) is costing whatever it costs to keep a single coil heated, but I haven't figured it out. I did notice perhaps $5 on my fall electric bills that I am pretty sure were the dehydrator and perhaps the stove for boiling down tomato sauce, which I freeze in bags laid flat on a cookie sheet in the freezer....they freeze/defrost faster and store easier if frozen flat. I just don't have the extra storage room for jars. I hate water bath canning, too. I dried most of my tomatoes and it was really easy to make tomato paste and sauce by reconstituting them, using a food processor and then making sauce when I needed it. I just about ruined the processor trying to make tomato powder, but just using reconstituted dried tomatoes was fine.
We have a generator and are working on getting enough marine batteries and a solar panel array for charging them to keep freezers, hydro machines and a dehydrator working in case of power inaccessibility and gasoline shortages. If I had the necessary $7k and the correct site, I would put in one of those below-ground greenhouses with passive solar heating. But I don't have the money for that, at the moment, and our situation is a North facing valley farm, so we get very little direct sun in deep winter...perhaps 4-5 hours.
For now, we are supplied by a rural Electric Co-op and we are just hoping that electricity stays affordable and available. The Co-ops are really fighting the cap and tax while adding in all the wind, solar, methane they can. But we have gone up 10% in the past few months and have been warned about possible brownouts in the future, mainly because of the restrictions being put on coal.
I envy you the turkeys!! But I have kept chickens in the past and disliked it. I know people who keep chickens and we trade them for eggs and occasionally for butchered chickens. My husband does hunt, deer and grouse, so far...we have lots of wild turkeys, so perhaps we will get one of those sometime. People say they are good, but only the breast is really usable.
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Employees at New Seasons do not even know about this bill. They are totally in the dark. Pelosi and Waxman have been bought by Monsanto.
The bill will outlaw all organic food and home gardens will be required to use GM seeds (genetically modified seeds) The law will be rammed through Congress in record time according to my sources. Do your own research on HR 2749.
Strange Martial Law via Food Control: HR 2749
Liberals in Portland will go nuts when they learn Nasty Pelosi and Nosey Waxman have taken campaign bribes from Monsanto to outlaw all organic food.
Last November, just two days after the election, Obama, while on his jumbo jet, told someone on the phone his real agenda would be implemented in about six months — and here we are.
Thanks for the ping, I’ll be calling, twittering and facebooking. Please check out this bill also, another bad one from our RESIDENT in Chief. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2285538/posts
“Employees at New Seasons do not even know about this bill. They are totally in the dark. Pelosi and Waxman have been bought by Monsanto.”
Monsanto.....toss in ADM and stir.
I saw this and I HAD to post. My entire family... mom, husband, uncles, aunts, cousins... we all had the number, we ALL called everyday, multiple times a day during the business hours stated... Not ONE of us ever got through to that number EVER... BUSY BUSY BUSY... Now while I’d like to believe that is because there was an overwhelming amount of calls. It was a little odd that of more than a dozen people over the course of 2 weeks calling daily, couldn’t get through....I think that is because this Administration does NOT care what we want, what we think, or what is best for this country. I was so disappointed. I will be even more disappointed IF the Cap and Trade actually passes because then I will know that nothing we say matters. Everyone I have spoken with, even the people who voted FOR Obama, do not back the Cap and trade. The consensus has been overwhelming. It’s become apparent that Obama and his administration feel they can do WHATEVER they want. That is what happens when a MAN is deified BEFORE he even does ANYTHING to warrant it.
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