Skip to comments.A Fourth indicator of a Stroke
Posted on 06/14/2009 5:38:02 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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Thank you 0h-Ah.
“You know your full of sh-——————”
My father had a series of what were termed “mini-strokes” over the course of a year, and the only noticeable change was a certain degree of lethargy, followed by personality changes, and even these were slow and cumulative. By the time it was obvious that something was amiss, it was well past time to be able to do anything about it.
But, theses “mini-strokes” were not ultimately fatal. They just changed him.
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S *Ask the individual to SMILE.
T *Ask the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently)(i.e. It is sunny out today.)
R *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.
O *Ask if this person was an 0bama Voter. If so, slip a ‘DO NOT RESUSCITATE’ necklace over their head.
(Thank you. That really IS good advice, and I’d not heard it.)
Thanks! I’ll be here all week! Try the Buffet and don’t forget to tip your Waitress!
This is my two cents, the standard Red Cross training.
Signs of a stroke:
F. A. S. T.
F: Face: ask person to smile. Both sides of the face should raise up the same.
A: Arms. ask person to raise arms. Both sides should raise up the same height. Sagging, or inability to raise the arm when previously able to, could indicate a stroke.
S: Speech. ask person to repeat a short sentence. Speech should not be slurred, words should be in order. Inability to speak clearly or repeat brief sentence in order could indicate a stroke.
T: Time. If problems with any of these, note the time, call 911. Time is important, in getting the best treatment. Early detection is crucial.
A friend of mine had a stroke, and didn’t realize it. She called her husband to bring her a towel, and her speech was gibberish, that’s how HE immediately realized what was going on. She said that to her, her speech seemed clear, she had no idea she wasn’t speaking properly. She said that when he came right in with the towel, she thought she was raising her arm to take it, but she wasn’t. He caught her just as she started to fall. She said that if he had not been home, the doctor said she probably would have had much more trouble.
On the good side, she did recover completely.
The person having the stroke may not realize what is going on or be aware of any symptoms.
PS, this is first aid training.
This came around on e-mail quite a while ago. Don’t know how true it is but it’s interesting.
I believe that there is an 85% chance of complete recovery if a stroke is diagnosed and dealt within 3 hours of the onset of symptoms.
It depends on weather or not it is hemorrhagic or ischemic.
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Thanks for posting ......... PING!
“A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally. He said the trick was getting a stroke recognized, diagnosed, and then getting the patient medically cared for within 3 hours, which is tough.”
I don’t buy that for a minute. My dad had a stroke AT THE HOSPITAL. Treatment started immediately. Lost his eye sight, most of the use of his left side and most of his short term memory.
Nothing could be more accurate than an email
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For whatever reason, my smile has normally never been straight. I deliberately try to yank up on my right side for photos, knowing that otherwise, it will look like I'm having a stroke.
To the best of my knowledge, no one’s face is exactly symmetrical. Just that if someone you know at work, or at home, cannot smile in their usual normal way—straight, lopsided, or whatever is normal for them, it could be a sign.
As I mentioned, this is just basic first aid. Nothing substitutes for a competent medical examination and treatment.
Once a stroke starts, it progress’s pretty fast...While passing out breakfast trays in the hospital, (nurses job and you could not treat any patient once you started handling the food until all patients had their trays), one patient got quite hostile (unlike her previous behavior) and I told her I would be right back after passing trays. 5 minutes later I returned and her tray was in front of her and she hadn’t touched it..I ask her if she felt alright as she hadn’t even picked up her fork. In those 5 minutes she became aphasic, (couldn’t talk, due to L. sided stroke) Her right arm was paralyzed and then she couldn’t move any part of the r. side of her body...doctor was called stat and I was told to keep notes and sit with her until he got to the hospital...(there were no medications at that time to use for intervention). It can happen quite quickly, or for some over a period of hours, depends on what is causing the stoke, slow bleed or blood clot..NEVER IGNORE ANY WARNING SIGNS. Severe headache, dropping a glass or cup without warning, inability to talk or form intelligent words, severe dizziness, these are just some of the warnings. Also if you have a tendency to have TIA’s.
They have developed a range of drugs that can dissolve clots, but if the cause is a small bleed in the brain, not much can be done except an brain operation and that is not done on stroke victims that I know of.
Good point. This one looks OK though.
I have done my part. Will you?
Sorry you cheated. By posting this on a board you did not email.
Ronald McDonald in drag will visit you at the stroke of midnight.
I’m sorry for your dad, but I know you would agree that not all strokes are the same severity or the same nature.
I do agree with you that no doctor can guarantee 100% that he or she can always totally reverse the effects of a stroke if they can get treatment in three hours. In many cases I am sure it is possible but I would not be so overly-confident that it can ALWAYS be done. Medicine is art, science, luck, training and skill.
“A neurologist says that if he can get to a stroke victim within 3 hours he can totally reverse the effects of a stroke...totally.”
DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide), a natural liquid that comes from trees, will reverse a stroke by dissolving the blood clot, or clots. If EMT units were allowed to give an IV injection of DMSO to a stroke patient on the way to the hospital, 95% of them would walk out of the hospital with no after-effects. This won’t happen, of course, because the FDA does not like DMSO. DMSO has no side effects, other than a garlic-like body odor on some people.
Everyone should have DMSO in their medicine cabinet. It can be taken orally, but topical application works. Vets use in rather routinely in treating animals, especially horses because it is very effective in treating sore joints and muscles.
We know personally of instances where a person who had a stroke was treated with DMSO and recovered completely.
We also know absolutely from personal experience that DMSO does dissolve clots. Several years ago my father-in-law had blood clots in his groin. He was having to give himself heparin injections every day. The doctors said it would take 6 - 9 months to get rid of the clots. We gave him DMSO to apply topically two or three times a day. The clots were medically determined to be gone in 4 weeks. A friend of mine had blood clots in his lungs and had been hospitalized because of them. He was on coumidin (warfarin) and the docs told him it would take 6 months to dissolve the clots. We gave him some DMSO for knee problems, and he was using that topically on his knees. His clots were gone in a month.
Heparin and coumidin help prevent clot formation, but these do not dissolve clots. DMSO dissolves blood clots.
Back in the early 60’s, Dr. Stanley Jacobs, MD was head of the organ transplant team at the University of Oregon Medical Center. DMSO was brought to his attention and he studied it thoroughly. He found that the best way to preserve organs between donor and recipient was immersed in DMSO. The FDA accepts this use, but does not like it otherwise. It is low cost, and can’t be patented - it would take the place of many prescription drugs for many applications, and the drug companies/FDA want it outlawed.
If it is natural, if it works, and it can’t be patented by the PharmaNazi’s, ban it - and the FDA is at their beck ‘n call.
“Medicine is art, science, luck, training and skill.”
Allopathic medicine today is “do what the drug companies teach.” Science and Skill have little to do with the treatment of disease today.
Trauma is different - when it comes to putting things back in place after an accident, doctors do it well.
“Every year in the United States, 700,000 persons have a stroke; in 200,000 of these patients, the strokes are recurrent. Of the 500,000 patients with a new stroke, 14 percent will have a another stroke within one year. Approximately 270,000 persons die each year because of stroke, ranking it third in mortality behind heart disease and cancer. Stroke leads to more long-term disability than any other disease process, and it directly and indirectly costs the United States $57.9 billion a year.” This is quoted from “American Family Physician”. http://www.aafp.org/afp/20070801/382.html
Seems to me that a simple, low cost, effective treatment should be used, since one exists, to save the lives of 270,000 people, and to save that $57.9 billion a year. See my post #31 on this thread.
I agree with you when it comes to non-emergency medicine (drugs), but emergency medicine is different than that.
Back when I was in high school, I suffered from sports-related shoulder pain. Dad brought home some DMSO; worked great...feels really strange....you can actually feel it going deep down into your joint (as I’m sure that you know...LOL).
DMSO is somebody’s get-rich quick snake oil.
An ischemic stroke can be reversed if a clot-buster (NOT DMSO) can be used within 3 hrs of treatment - so it is important not just to get to a hospital quickly, but to document the time.
There are contraindications for its use, and my personal observations are that it is far less effective than 85% - more like 40%-50% if it can be used, and that is only about 50% of the time.
I would rate the overall chance of successful and complete reversal with medication after initiation of a stroke as being about 15-25%. Still, much better than the alternative.
For that matter, the chances of CPR in the field saving a life is less than 15% - again, much better than the alternative.
I work in an intensive care that treats, among other things, neuro care status post thrombolytics for stroke. Those clot busters are the SAME medications used for treatment of a heart attack - a clot attack in a different location. They are a vast improvement over what we used before. I’ve seen miracles with them. But - nowhere NEAR 85% of the time.
Exactly. An ischemic stroke (caused by a clot...a lot of times in people with high cholesterol) can take some time to manifest. Can be painless and the person doesn’t even realize it’s happening.
An hemorrhagic stroke (caused many times by hypertension) can go very fast...can cause death almost instantly. It’s basically an arterial blowout. It is marked by a sudden excruciating headache.
Thanks for the ping. I just send it to my e-pals
I still don't know what causes Bell's palsy, but was quite happy to learn it wasn't a stroke.
What is a good source for DMSO?
Cayenne tincture (or cayenne powder dissolved in warm water, or even a healthy dose of hot sauce) is known to stop a stroke or a heart attack while it is happening. It dilates the blood vessels and increases circulation.
Large animal or farm supply store. Ignore the labeling on the bottle that says it’s only for equine use. It’s the same stuff, only cheaper.
We buy ours at Atwoods, a chain with stores located in the South Central States (OK, KS, AR, MO, TX).
BTW, our D. O. has told us that if either my wife or I has a stroke, we’re to call him ASAP. He will then rush to wherever we are to start a DMSO IV. Amazingly, in this day and age, he still makes house calls when necessary.
I know people who get migraine headaches with exact symptoms.
S *Ask the individual to SMILE.
T *Ask the person to TALK and SPEAK A SIMPLE SENTENCE (Coherently)
(I.e. It is sunny out today.)
RÂ *Ask him or her to RAISE BOTH ARMS.
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