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If you think that the courts will actually rule that Obama is ineligible and should step down or be removed as President, then I have this 1961 Kenyan birth certificate I'd like to sell you.

Oh, and when you continue to crack on the fake COLB "conspiracy," you had better believe that I take it personally.

1 posted on 06/27/2009 6:13:50 AM PDT by Polarik
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2 posted on 06/27/2009 6:14:19 AM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever!)
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To: Polarik
Nice strawman.

Your money quote which you seem to miss the implications of is here:

In other words, folks, Obama was not a British citizen at birth. Obama might have been born with no citizenship at all if he was born in Kenya. and not Hawaii.

If he has no citizenship at all, he cannot be a natural-born US citizen.

My personal thinking is that his birth certificate has a typo, which shows him either as a girl, or white.

He's too f***ing narcissistic to ever let a mistake of that sort see the light of day.

Cheers!

3 posted on 06/27/2009 6:25:57 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Polarik

I think the ONLY action to take is in the States that every person running for office within a state has to prove with the long form with the seal that they are eligible to run. That means running for President would require 51 (DC) certified birth certificates.

It would not make a difference now but it would in 2012. The Senate certified McCain was eligible but never did certify ZERO.


4 posted on 06/27/2009 6:26:08 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin for OK Governor/Coburn for Senate 2010 ! Mark Rubio for FL Senate 2010!)
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To: Polarik

America’s court system might just be her downfall. Cases can be dragged out for decades and never be settled. Hussein knows this and that’s why he’s sealed every last shred of evidence up tighter than Ft. Knox. I don’t blame the usurper so much as those who blindly brought him to power. Washington needs a good house cleaning.


5 posted on 06/27/2009 6:27:40 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Polarik
I found it.
6 posted on 06/27/2009 6:32:26 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Polarik

“...his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham,
and his father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr.,
WERE NEVER MARRIED...”
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So, in addition to everything else, he is also a bastard?


7 posted on 06/27/2009 6:33:04 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Polarik

Legally,I believe,the fact that Hussein may or may not have been,at one time,a British citizen doesn’t matter.All countries have the right to consider anyone they want to be a citizen.My Dad and his siblings were considered to be Irish citizens from the day they were born by the Irish government even though they didn’t apply for it and they were all born here of *two* US citizens.


8 posted on 06/27/2009 6:40:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Polarik

Glad to hear that you take it so seriously !

I was getting worried that the stimulus-funded grant to the university might have slowed you down.


10 posted on 06/27/2009 6:55:12 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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So I guess the divorce papers of OBAMA Sr and Stanley Ann Dunham are also fake!


11 posted on 06/27/2009 7:21:30 AM PDT by txoilman
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To: Polarik
If this court case should actually make it as far as the Supreme Court, and if it looks like he is going to lose the case, Obama will make a startling announcement!

Obama announces that the reason why he was withholding his original birth certificate is because he didn't want anyone to know that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and his father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr., WERE NEVER MARRIED!!!!

Bullsh!t -- it's a matter of court record!
Obama 64 divorce - p 3 Obama 64 divorce - p 2

And confirmed elsewhere:

"Mrs Anna Obama" in Seattle, '61-'62


The divorce papers would hold up in court -- not a "claim" that there was NOT a marriage. Furthermore, the courts must abide by THIS:

“This copy serves as prima facia evidence


However, if you REALLY want to be sure -- simply conduct a DNA test! I'm sure that would yield some interesting results, too...


13 posted on 06/27/2009 7:50:15 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Polarik

Yeah, WND has the eBAY “certified Kenyan BC” sale mention:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102271


14 posted on 06/27/2009 8:29:12 AM PDT by Kandy
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We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said his mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born.

If its the case (please give documentation) that british law only gives citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother

.........then since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his kenyan/british citizenship?

(the implication here is that obama got british/kenyan citizenship through place of birth and not parentage--ie kenya.)


15 posted on 06/27/2009 8:55:13 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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British Nationality Prior to 1983

The British Nationality Act 1981 came into force on 1 January 1983. Prior to 1983, British nationality was only be transmitted from the father through one generation only, and parents were required to be married.

That can be construed as jus sanguinis or possibly even a type of lex soli in Obama Sr's case, but not jus soli (unless you want to give the Kenyan birth theory credence)

17 posted on 06/27/2009 9:25:22 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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It seems as if the motive of those pushing the British citizen argument and disparaging the importance of the Birth Certificate are trying to drive a wedge between what they perceive as two factions of the "Birther" movement and thereby weaken it.
21 posted on 06/27/2009 9:58:59 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Polarik
It is essential to demand more than just a long form birth certificate from Barry Soetoro. We must also demand the college netrance papers, the applications for student aid, and his tuition documentation.

We must also insist on seeing his passport records from his college years. There is a smelly fish rotting in the Congress as they promoted an affirmative action figure fraud by usurping the role of the Supreme court in interpreting the Constitution and by fiat fabricating a substitute amendment to the Constitution on the eligibility issue ... for John McCain!

This same fiat usurpation of our Constitutional contract has been used to cower the feckless Roberts court into acquiescing to the demands of the affimative action candidate subtley threatening race riots of the Odinga scale if he is not ushered into the office he demands without proof of Constitutional eligibility.

It is likely that we have a felon in the White HOuse, as per his forgery used to claim Constitutional eligibility.

We the people must have ALL the evidence on this lying sack of crap the democrats have foisted upon the world. If he used an Indonesian passport based upon claimed Indonesian citizenship to travel outside the US, he has shown divided loyalties in his adult life.

If he applied for college aid claiming to be an foregin student, he has committed fraud either to US or the college requirements if he was not a foreign student. Ron, one cannot be legitimately a foreign student and a U.S resident student simultaneously in a U.S. College or UNiversity.

There is a criminal liar in the White HOuse and all three branches of the federal governemnt have been complicit in posting this affirmative action criminal there!

We the people must demand this be made right or we will have been usurped as the actual sovereigns of a Constitutional Republic because the other party in the contract has abrogated the agreement byfiat appointment of an 'extra-constitutional' liar to head a branch of the government. We are witnessing a coup d'etat and have not a clue since the enemedia is covering for the liar-in-chief they worship as their ruler.

22 posted on 06/27/2009 10:15:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Polarik

Note the amount in legal fees Obama is paying to keep his documents hidden.

Add this to an investigation: “Obama claims to have traveled to Pakistan in 1981 at age 20. At that time, Pakistan was on the U.S. “no travel” list. Thus, Obama likely didn’t use a U.S. passport to travel there. He probably used a British or Indonesian passport. If Obama used a British passport, then he was born in Kenya which was a British colony at the time of his birth (then he would NOT be a natural born American citizen). If Obama used a Indonesian passport, then his citizenship was changed to Indonesian as a minor child and he thus lost natural born American citizenship in that way....... Is Obama lying and guilty of fraud?”


24 posted on 06/27/2009 10:44:26 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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It is prudent to pursue multiple paths of ineligibility rather than bet the farm on one path. You can bet that Team Obama is trying to cover their bases on all fronts.

The Indonesian and British citizenship theories are alike in one aspect and that is that the other countries’ laws and regulations are not binding on our courts. If the definition of natural born citizen is born in the U.S. to two citizen parents, then it doesn’t matter whether or not Obama Sr. and Dunham were married. The only relevant fact in that theory is that Obama Sr. was most certainly not a U.S. citizen. Therefore Obama Jr. was not born to two citizen parents. The marriage is irrelevant.

Birthers have favorite theories. Preferring one theory over another is a natural consequence of having such a diverse group of people, but that doesn’t mean that another birther’s theory is irrelevant or a red herring. Donofrio’s theory is relevant and valid. Polarik’s theory is relevant and valid. Both should be pursued to their end.

Likewise, those who have given up on removing Obama from office this term and instead want to focus on enacting state laws to establish a procedure for verifying eligibility are pursing a path to ineligibility. Their preferred method of ousting Obama is no less relevant or valid than any other method.


46 posted on 06/27/2009 1:30:46 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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Polarik,

It is understandable that Tonchen’s dismissive comment regarding the COLB forgery would offend you because you’ve invested countless hours and immeasurable effort to prove the COLB forgery. Clearly Tonchen is uninformed on that subject and hasn’t taken enough time to investigate it.

Let me say publicly that my posting Tonchen’s primer was never intended to dismiss or discredit your work on the forgery. Neither was it intended to portray the British citizenship issue as the only valid theory. Neither was it intended to imply that Obama has a valid Hawaiian birth certificate.

I support both theories/methods and think they should both be fully explored. Obviously people on this forum feel strongly about one particular path to ineligibility and that’s to be expected.


50 posted on 06/27/2009 2:06:02 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: LucyT

Interesting. Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

Excerpt: “In effect, Obama, by way of his Press Secretary, just admitted to committing felony document fraud as what is posted on the Internet is a forgery, a false government identification document in violation of Federal statutes.”


67 posted on 06/27/2009 5:52:04 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Polarik

Kudos to you Polarik for your tireless efforts.


74 posted on 06/28/2009 10:23:51 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott ABC News and their parent company The Walt Disney Company)
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