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Now Will You Listen?
The Cypress Times ^ | 06/28/2009 | Bill Turner

Posted on 06/28/2009 5:06:20 AM PDT by Patriot1259

I have been begging, pleading, cajoling and insisting you get active. Let me clarify the term active for you. Active is more than calling, writing, email and faxing. Active is getting in the street with protest signs. Active is going to your senators and representatives local office and demanding to see them, or speak with them directly on the phone. Active is being in their face, each and every day you draw breath. The list of Obama’s crimes against America is long and well documented, but here are some recent highlights of B. Hussein Obama’s systematic destruction of America.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecypresstimes.com ...


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Columnist Bill Turner, urges active involvement from Conservatives while listing recent highlights of what Turner calls President Obama's systematic destruction of America
1 posted on 06/28/2009 5:06:20 AM PDT by Patriot1259
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To: Patriot1259

Who are we, liberals? We’re never going to be active like that, without some exceptional emergency. And I’m not talking stock market crash emergency. I’m talking “Red Dawn” emergency.


2 posted on 06/28/2009 5:12:57 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Patriot1259

Tough to argue with the truth. So, the 0bamunists don’t even try. They just ignore the realities crashing around us and continue on their merry march to marxism. They are convinced the socialist way is the correct way for ‘society’ without realizing the society is comprised of INDIVIDUALS.

This pretender to the office is dangerous to the future of America.

It’s time to take back the country.


3 posted on 06/28/2009 5:17:30 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: Patriot1259

If the Tea Party turnouts next month are not massive, and loud, the people of this nation probably aren’t worth saving.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 5:19:17 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Tublecane

This is a “Red Dawn” emergency. Cap and Tax, amnesty, and nationalized health care will destroy this country and the Dems control the government with large majorities.


5 posted on 06/28/2009 5:21:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Patriot1259
I agree with his points on BO but I am tired of radio, tv talk show hosts and now columnists always claiming they told us so months or years ago and then admonishing people for not doing anything. Each time they scold us I think haven't these people been paying attention? Don't they see people are becoming more involved? Don't they understand tea parties are protests?

Turner then has the audacity to claim phone calls, emails and faxes don't count as active when those methods are one of many important methods to let Congress critters know we are becoming active. In the next sentence he contradicts himself by imploring people to make phone calls but he doesn't realize there is a brick wall called a staff between politicians and the people rendering any direct connection over the phone between the latter two groups impossible. These holier than thou self proclaimed crusaders are beginning to annoy me. Below is the link to another way people can get involved.

www.americangrandjury.org
6 posted on 06/28/2009 5:27:19 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Tublecane

We have to learn to be radicals. If we continue to be the “quiet conservative”, then our days are numbered. The Obamunists know that this is a war of attrition. As they destroy the economy, we will picked off one-by-one as our jobs disappear and we have to go to their side just to feed our families and keep a roof over their heads.

Eventually, there won’t be enough conservatives left to matter.


7 posted on 06/28/2009 5:29:35 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

More and more I’m getting convinced, unfortunately, that “the people of this nation probably aren’t worth saving.”.


8 posted on 06/28/2009 5:31:30 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: MrLee

I fear for our son who, at 17, is completely unaware of what is going on around him.

By the time he’s 25, it’ll be too late.

I’m going to D.C. in September.

Anyone else?


9 posted on 06/28/2009 5:33:54 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Patriot1259

The country of America has been overun by greed,lewdness and lies which so many embrace as their personal god that reason will do little to these communists athiests whose main ambition is the destruction of the laws of God to be replaced by the bloodshed of liberalism and the democrats man is in the whitehouse and in the congress and the infected body of America is dead in sin.
We are a corrupt nation and God will destroy those who hate His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour.
The wicked forsake their own mercy.
Nevertheless, come Lord Jesus, rule and reign in the midst of all thine enemies.19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


10 posted on 06/28/2009 5:34:46 AM PDT by kindred (The third party conservative is the home of conservatism. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: Patriot1259

it’s true, that that kind of activism is more effective now days.

that’s why we have a much harder row to hoe.

to do what you’re saying takes time and most of us have our time filled up with working to support the family.

the reason it’s easier for them is because they’re supported by us...welfare, college students, un-married, non-working spouses...they don’t have to take time from supporting their family because, significantly, we’re spending our time supporting them.

who is acorn made up of...working stiffs? hardly.

writing and calling and emailing and faxing is something that can be done while working. not as effective as spending time away from work waving protest signs, or going to my representatives office, but i have responsibilities...and that’s our achilles heel.

maybe, as more and more guys are let go from work and start collecting un-employment or welfare, we’ll see them being more active...................


11 posted on 06/28/2009 5:35:10 AM PDT by mreerm
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To: Peter W. Kessler

September will be great but until people stop voting for these people it won’t change. Don’t be too sad when Fox, CSPAN, and all the others ignore the rally.


12 posted on 06/28/2009 5:36:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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To: Peter W. Kessler
I fear for our son who, at 17, is completely unaware of what is going on around him

why is he unaware? why aren't you filling him in? we have kids at home who are 20, 17 and 14 and each one of them knows EXACTLY what is going on and are vocal to their friends about it. We live in NoVA, and I work in DC, so i will be here in Sept.

13 posted on 06/28/2009 5:39:19 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: kindred

That is; Revalation 19:
19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Catholics and protestants need to read the word of God and understand that the Scriptures are literal and that many of todays churchs are apostate when they teach that the word of God is mystical and allegorical.
Jesus, who was crucified for our sins and rose again the third day for our justification to bring in the body of Christ to renewed relationship with God the Father and the Holy Spirit and Himself, overcoming death and hell and the grave and destroying the power of lucifer the devil who has the power of death, expects the people of God will worship Him as God and Saviour and no other.
Take heed to the Scriptures lest you die in sin.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 5:44:25 AM PDT by kindred (The third party conservative is the home of conservatism. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: PubliusMM

“It’s time to take back the country.”

That’s a fact.


15 posted on 06/28/2009 5:44:29 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: kabar

“Cap and Tax, amnesty, and nationalized health care will destroy this country “

Don’t forget the hate crimes legislation.


16 posted on 06/28/2009 5:46:35 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Tublecane

“Who are we, liberals? We’re never going to be active like that, without some exceptional emergency. And I’m not talking stock market crash emergency. I’m talking “Red Dawn” emergency.”

It certainly seems that way by what is being suggested, this is “democratic government” and is bordering on anarchy. The only real solution is a political revival (probably preceeded by a spiritual one) that will place wise, honest and courageous people in office who respect/protect freedom and adapt policies that enhance prosperity and provide security.... the end results is up to the citizens.


17 posted on 06/28/2009 6:01:51 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded - John Randolph)
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To: Man50D
“Turner then has the audacity to claim phone calls, emails and faxes don't count as active when those methods are one of many important methods to let Congress critters know we are becoming active.”
Congress doesn't seem to care one whit about phone calls, letters and emails. The outcry against every one of the “Obama” actions has been overwhelmingly against, and they have ignored the will of the people. Congress considers itself “above the people” and they are out of control. They have control of the money, media and apparently have bought and paid for the judiciary. Nothing less could explain how Obama can Unconstitutionally seize assets of private citizens and not one single lawsuit or legal action sees light of day. With the manipulation of Acorn of the census and the voter fraud we will never again see an honest election result in this country. So yes, Red Dawn has come and went without any shots fired. It's Red Afternoon now and I'm not seeing anything but apathy. While Congress conspires to take control of every aspect of our lives, the media's non stop focus is on “Michael Jackson”. The U.S. has been raped and pillaged during the last 6 months, and the majority does not even know it. But they probably know every detail of “American Idol” or the details of every other stupid “reality” show. They won't care until the utilities are shut off either due to the tremendous rise in costs or because they no longer have jobs.
Tea parties are going to continue to be ignored, no matter how loud and large they become. They will be infiltrated, they will be dismissed as the underhanded “organized” tricks of (fill in the blank) right wing extremists. And we will be ignored until we surround Washington with tens of millions.
18 posted on 06/28/2009 6:03:49 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: Man50D
-- the audacity to claim phone calls, emails and faxes don't count as active when those methods are one of many important methods to let Congress critters know we are becoming active ... these holier than thou self proclaimed crusaders are beginning to annoy me --

They've annoyed me for years. In principle, constituent communication is supposed to be a primary means of self-governance. I am convinced that the USA ceased being a body of self-governing people a few generations ago, probably in the 1910's or 20's, but maybe as late as the 1960's.

Political leadership is in the game for pure self-serving reasons. I think the "open communications," "free speech," "free press" and "free elections" are mere pressure indication and relief devices. The leading class obtains feedback as to whether it is pushing too hard or too fast (but the leading class is relentless in pushing to demolish the power of the middle class and to make the US a sort of plantation), and it legitimizes its actions as being the will of the people (see free elections). The more the people talk, the more the action becomes legitimate.

I think the republic would be better off if the general public STOPPED wasting energy communicating with leaders, and caused the leaders to show their own hand. The leaders follow orders of well-heeled lobbyists, and rarely, if ever, change a position on account of public pressure. The Congress would really get the willies if the public suddenly dummied up. They watch the public like hawks, looking for signs of serious dissent (i.e., signs that the people have figured out that talk is pointless), all the while assuring the public that they (Congress) have a majority of free people supporting them, and thereby have the authority and power to fix what ails the country.

Every call, even those in dissent, adds legitimacy to Congress. They're so smart, let them act on their own. The principle of self-government is busted, and I, for one, quit pretending it works.

19 posted on 06/28/2009 6:08:42 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: PubliusMM

“It’s time to take back the country”

How do you propose that be done, you either do it at the poles or you do it in the street (force of arms), there is no guarantee of success with either method. I am beginning to believe that civil unrest, or outright conflict, is unavoidable but think we should comment to the first option and be prepared for the second ... be ready when the conflict comes.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 6:12:33 AM PDT by Peter Horry (Never were abilities so much below mediocrity so well rewarded - John Randolph)
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To: Bryanw92

“We have to learn to be radicals”

Ugh. Sorry. I just can’t turn to radicalism to oppose fabian socialism. I have to react to overt acts. That’s it.


21 posted on 06/28/2009 6:13:39 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
We’re never going to be active like that

No, we're not.

We're too busy reloading.

When WE get busy, it won't be with signs.

22 posted on 06/28/2009 6:14:38 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pas d'ennmis a droit)
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To: Tublecane

You are part of the problem. America is in the shape it is in because of apathy


23 posted on 06/28/2009 6:15:10 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: Tublecane

Your loyalty to the Party is commendable, Comrade.


24 posted on 06/28/2009 6:17:21 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Bryanw92

“Your loyalty to the Party is commendable, Comrade”

Strange admonishment from someone who told me to become a radical. I am a reactionary, sir.


25 posted on 06/28/2009 6:23:37 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: bert

“America is in the shape it is in because of apathy”

It’s much more complicated than that. Goes back to the naked force of the Civil War.


26 posted on 06/28/2009 6:24:38 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

What kind of overt acts are you looking for? Do you think that they’ll be loading dissidents on to rail cars or shooting conservatives at polling places?

They have to get their political and economic framework into place before they can do anything that you would call overt. Its important to get as many people as possible on the government dole before they can do anything. Bailouts, Cap and Trade, Hate Crimes laws are the tools they can use to control us. The economy and jobs lost are the economic means to make us dependent.

Only when all that is in place can they start taking the overt action you are waiting for. And then its just too late.

You don’t have to be a bomb-thrower to be a radical. But, you can’t just sit around complaining and waiting for the round-ups to start before you start making noise.

If we can derail some of their agenda before it is passed, then they won’t have the power to commit the overt acts.


27 posted on 06/28/2009 6:27:10 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Cboldt

As brilliant as our forefathers were, I don’t think they ever anticipated a 1-party takeover of all three branches. They gave the people more credit than we deserved.


28 posted on 06/28/2009 6:28:47 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tublecane

The Sons of Liberty were radicals. The Minutemen were reactionary. Radical does not equate to marxist.


29 posted on 06/28/2009 6:28:56 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Bryanw92

“Radical does not equate to marxist.”

It does equate to leftist. Colloquially if not by dictionary definition.

Sons of Liberty would be radical relative to John Adams, for instance. Then again, Adams ended up being a federalist, whereas firebrand Sam Adams was anti-central government. Leftists/radicals are always in favor of central government, and always use the masses to get there. Sam, contrarywise, aroused the masses to fight for decentralized government. Reactionaries usually rely on traditional authorities to forestall the expansion of the state, but Hamilton, the champion of industrial interest, was a merchantilist. Go figure.

Our revolution is tough to figure out. Partly becuase it wasn’t much of a revolution. Kept most things intact. Gave brith to a mostrous Leviathan, via the Constitution, but that took a long time to ripen. For the most part, and this goes for Sam as well as John and Hamilton as well as Paine, the war was about preserving prerogatives: that is, *privilege*. The Americans wanted their birthrights specifically as Englishmen, though they talked a lot of high-falutin’ Whiggish talk about God-given rights.

I often get confused teasing these things out. You know, not long ago, liberals claimed Jefferson as their own. Against the industrial revolution and entrenched power, for “the little guy”. Now libertarians own him. Go figure.


30 posted on 06/28/2009 6:44:35 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Congress doesn't seem to care one whit about phone calls, letters and emails.

I couldn't disagree more. The vote was close precisely because of phone calls, emails and faxes. It would have been far worse had not people flooded Congress with various form of communication. Their only shortcoming is it that Congress critters weren't overwhelmed for a long enough period of time. It came primarily only 24 hours before the day of the vote. People should have been flooding Congress with these forms of communication for several days straight. The tea parties and other form of protests are also effective. All methods to express our outrage need to be conducted simultaneously for a long period of time to be effective. Summarily dismissing anyone form of expression only weakens the cause.

Tea parties are going to continue to be ignored, no matter how loud and large they become.

So we shouldn't make phone calls, send faxes or emails or conduct tea parties. That practically eliminates any method to convey our outrage. It's tantamount to silence. That's exactly what socialists desire. Every time an idea is posted on FR there is always people who shoot it down by falsely claiming it won't work because it will be ignored.

And we will be ignored until we surround Washington with tens of millions.
I agree with a massive march as it is one of many methods that can be used. You are describing a tea party. That can be accomplished with the tea party scheduled for September 9-12.

Every time an idea is posted to move against socialism on FR there are always people who shoot it down by falsely claiming it won't work because it will be ignored. Doing so is self defeating. No one method by itself will work but the totally of implementing all methods together for a protracted period of time will be effective.
31 posted on 06/28/2009 7:11:59 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Cboldt

It saddens me but you post is true.


32 posted on 06/28/2009 7:23:32 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
-- I don't think they ever anticipated a 1-party takeover of all three branches. --

I agree. The founders figured the people would themselves hold the reins of power; meaning that the people would themselves occupy the offices of power. Even then, the three branches would fight each other, instead of working in cahoots against the freedom of their fellow countrymen.

Now we observe checks and balances in form only, not in substance.

-- They gave the people more credit than we deserved. --

They gave the people of their time a chance to operate and bequeath self-government and freedom to their heirs, which is all that any group of people can do.

The freedom of our forefathers is long lost. We're a self-governing nation in the same way that Europe is, at best.

33 posted on 06/28/2009 7:24:55 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: All

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A Million Man March on Washington is being organized!

Join Dr. Orly Taitz at the Million Man March Sept.12-13

Anti-Obama organizations are being united at Freedoms First
http://www.freedomsfirst.org/
for a ‘million man’ march on Washington. http://www.resistnet.com/ is joining with a reported half a million sign up already!

The permit is secured- AND ALREADY almost A MILLION AMERICANS HAVE SIGNED UP!

This is the only way we will ever get the attention of our elected officials, the MSM and the masses- protest!

From the FreedomsFirst website:

We are moving forward on our rally in Washington D C.
We are working non stop in preparations for this historical event to be held Sept 12-13 2009 at the Lincoln Memorial Reflections pool in front of the Lincoln Memorial.
As for the time, The million man march that took place a few years age took over 2 years to organize, we are trying to push this through as fast as we can.
To protest in DC you have to have a permit and have approval to use a certain piece of land.

We called ahead of filing for these things. September 12 &13 were the next available days they had.
The other organization, resistnet.com, which was putting together a march for May 30, didn’t do this so they were refused their permit. Now they are joining with our group. So, we are doing this absolutely as soon we can.
To have a successful march takes time and organization.

Why are we protesting ?
1. To get the attention of the mainstream media.
2. To demand That Obama Provide proof that he is eligible to be president.
3. To demand that Congress and the Supreme court uphold our constitution.
4. To inform the public on the issue of Obama’s ineligibility to be president of the USA.
5. To demand that they can not take our constitutional rights away.

PRESIDENT OBAMA, WE DEMAND THAT YOU BE TRANSPARENT NOW
We will come together in a peaceful rally.
We are proud Americans who fear that we are losing the America we all know and love.
The America where millions have served in our military sacrificing their lives so that we remain free.
A people who honor their flag and understand what it means to fly it and are so proud to do so.
It is time for our voices to be heard loud and clear. Our government is for the people and by the people.
We are Americans who see our rights slipping away as we speak.
It is time our voices are heard.
It is time for us to shout loudly and strongly that we refuse to live under a socialist regime, where our voices are silenced.
Lets take this action now before we awaken one morning and our freedoms are nothing more than a memory.

WE WILL BE UNITED- CHRISTIAN, JEW, BUDDHIST, HINDU, ATHEIST, BLACK AND WHITE.
WE WILL BE ONE- ONE OF MANY WHO STAND AS PATRIOTIC AMERICANS DEMANDING OUR VOICES BE HEARD.
We will be DEMANDING THAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WE DEMAND THE TRANSPARENCY HE PROMISED !!!!!!!!
GOD BLESS US ON THIS RALLY.
WITH YOUR PRAYERS, YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR HELP, IT WILL BE
AN HISTORICAL, MAGICAL, WONDERFUL SHOW OF THE REAL AMERICA.

We ask you to wear RED, WHITE AND BLUE CLOTHING.
BRING YOUR FLAGS WAVE THEM HIGH.
SIGNS WILL BE PROVIDED- WE WANT TO GIVE THE GREATEST IMPRESSION OF WHO WE ARE AS WE WILL BE SEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD.
UNITED AND PEACEFUL AND WITH CONTROL
WE WILL LEAVE THE GROUNDS AS CLEAN AS THEY WERE GIVEN TO US.

Entertainment will be provided.
We are setting up a wonderful assortment of guest speakers, political and non political, prominent people and many surprises.
Major news networks, including CNN, MSNBC and Fox News. Resistnet.com will also attend.

We will have live speakers and other entertainment for you.
We are working to secure Alan Keyes, Rev. Manning and Chuck Norris as star speakers.

MUCH more to come.

Please make your reservations early as hotels and motels will fill quickly.

. Buses and shuttles will be provided to transport you from your hotels to the on site
rally.

.Tents will be provided as shelter for our entertainers and guest speakers.

.We will provide a First Aid Station
with a Registered nurse on duty along with an ambulance to be standing by for emergencies should
they arise.

. We are planning to have at least ONE THOUSAND porta potties.

.A tent to store emergency water and other supplies should they be needed will be provided.

. A welcome tent for you to pick up flyers with information of scheduled times for our speakers and
entertainment events and other important information including restaurants and areas of
interest, etc will be provided.

Please take the time to sign up so we have an idea of how many people we have attending and to get update emails so you know what to do, where to meet, where to park and what is happening, etc.

TO SIGN UP AND/OR VOLUNTEER YOUR HELP FOR THE RALLY, PLEASE EMAIL STEVE AT freedomsfirst@inbox.com
THANK YOU WITH OUR HEARTS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR COMMITMENT FOR THIS GREAT
EVENT!!!!!!!!
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34 posted on 06/28/2009 7:25:11 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Yes, I plan on being there. Getting knee surgery 07/02/09 and hopefully I will be ready.


35 posted on 06/28/2009 7:27:29 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Man50D

The “Super Grand Jury” can indict until it’s blue in the face.

What is it going to do then ?


36 posted on 06/28/2009 7:33:20 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: xsmommy
why is he unaware? why aren't you filling him in? we have kids at home who are 20, 17 and 14 and each one of them knows EXACTLY what is going on and are vocal to their friends about it. We live in NoVA, and I work in DC, so i will be here in Sept.

Basically there are two types; One type so brain washed that they will not believe the truth no matter how it is presented. The other type so cynical that they don't believe that nothing can be done about the national situation no matter how they vote. Sadly, this group has empirical evidence on their side. The idea that we are not filling them in is well ridiculous.

37 posted on 06/28/2009 7:35:59 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Nuc1

He was referring to his son. I am sorry, but if you can’t convince your own kids as to the situation we are facing then we are truly lost. I can’t believe that freepers haven’t been talking to their kids from the time they are small about these things. I don’t even care if you send your kids to a public school, WE are responsible for informing our children of our political/moral ideology. IF freepers properly do our jobs with our kids, they cannot be brainwashed. My kids have all gone to private/Catholic school but you can find libs there as well. My husband has also gone in as a guest speaker to all of their social studies classes at one time or another over their educational careers.


38 posted on 06/28/2009 7:42:46 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Man50D
“Every time an idea is posted to move against socialism on FR there are always people who shoot it down by falsely claiming it won't work because it will be ignored. Doing so is self defeating. No one method by itself will work but the totally of implementing all methods together for a protracted period of time will be effective.”
I'm not advocating surrender, merely pointing out that for the amount of destruction that has been done to our freedoms in the last six months, and for the tremendous unlawful usurpation of power by this administration, the protests have been meager. Sometimes it's necessary to goad people into actually doing something.
More morons flooded into Washington to party for the “historic” inauguration of the usurper than have participated in protests. I refuse to believe that the majority of this country support socialism, and even if they do, I refuse to relinquish my Constitutional rights to mob rule. Wake up America.
39 posted on 06/28/2009 7:49:57 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: xsmommy
I was referring to my own kids and others I talk to. I have talked to my kids all their lives. Why on earth would you even believe that I or anyone else didn't? One thing I have noticed on FR is there is quite a rush to snap judgments.
40 posted on 06/28/2009 8:08:14 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

“If the Tea Party turnouts next month are not massive, and loud, the people of this nation probably aren’t worth saving”

I really hope the Tea Party turnouts ARE massive next month. It presents a viual sense of unity among conservatives. That being said, I have my doubts that they will be massive because of individuals sense of frustration that e-mail and calling campaigns to those who are supposed to represent conservative values don’t seem to be working—witness the 8 pubbies that voted for cap and trade. Our only hope is to start at state grass roots levels and weed out those who would destroy this country, not to keep reelecting those that the GOP would like to force feed to us. The GOP thinks we have no other options. In reality, yes we do if we become much more involved NOW. We need to be on the offense and quit playing defense.


41 posted on 06/28/2009 8:23:02 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Nuc1

And your kids still don’t get it? i am amazed by that. I just personally can’t imagine a 17 yo NOT getting it, if they have been raised in our political philosophy their entire lives. my kids, my kids friends, and our friends kids are all on the right page. so i have no experience with well-informed kids not getting it, which is why i assumed no talking to them had been done.


42 posted on 06/28/2009 8:28:58 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Patriot1259

I’d like to see pictures of Mr Turner outside in the streets with his protest signs.

And while he is at it why not call for a protest on a certain day with guest speakers and him leading it.


43 posted on 06/28/2009 8:31:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (Obama, King of the Fascists of the United Fascist States of America, )UFSA)
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To: Man50D

Rush is one of the worst in the area you mentioned. His friendship with Bush has clouded how he talks about issues. I have been a long time listener of Rush, but his failure to address the COLB issue and providing cover for Bush concerning his socialist policies leaves me bewildered.

In this regard I consider Rush an inside the beltway guy.

And it would be nice if Rush would put his actions where his mouth is and lend his suppprt to the Tea Party movement by attending the one in DC coming up next month.


44 posted on 06/28/2009 8:38:12 AM PDT by stockpirate (Obama, King of the Fascists of the United Fascist States of America, )UFSA)
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To: kabar
This is a “Red Dawn” emergency. Cap and Tax, amnesty, and nationalized health care will destroy this country and the Dems control the government with large majorities.

I think one problem is that many do not realize or are just starting to realize how close we are to the precipice.
45 posted on 06/28/2009 8:42:20 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Peter Horry
The only real solution is a political revival (probably preceeded by a spiritual one) that will place wise, honest and courageous people in office who respect/protect freedom and adapt policies that enhance prosperity and provide security.

Unfortunately that is increasingly difficult because the elite of both the Republican and Democratic parties have been bought and paid for by global corporations, banks, and financiers.
46 posted on 06/28/2009 8:48:28 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: xsmommy

I fear for our son who, at 17, is completely unaware of what is going on around him

why is he unaware? why aren’t you filling him in? we have kids at home who are 20, 17 and 14 and each one of them knows EXACTLY what is going on and are vocal to their friends about it. We live in NoVA, and I work in DC, so i will be here in Sept.

Same here. We’ve been lecturing our kids on personal responsibility since they were old enough to understand. All through high school, they reported to me the fallacies told to them by some of their liberal teachers. They also told me which of their teachers were conservatives and how they were able to recognize them. My son bought me a “hammer and sickle Obomunism” T shirt for my birthday. He bought one for himself and wore it to the union grocery store (at which he has worked for over 7 years) on his day off.

I think we did a good job.


47 posted on 06/28/2009 8:56:48 AM PDT by OldBlondBabe
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To: OldBlondBabe

sounds like you did a great job! my 14 yo was the only conservative in her 8th grade social studies class, she stood her ground and supported her point of view every single day and was more informed than any of the kneejerk obama supporters in her class. the teacher, on her report card, commented on how impressed he was with her ability to defend her point of view, even though she was the only one in the class to hold it and he urged her to continue to do so.
Politics is the main topic of conversation in our house and it’s a discussion not a lecture. All 3 of mine have had the opportunity to speak out against the norm of political thought and will always come home and tell me whom they have identified as a lib as far as their teachers go.


48 posted on 06/28/2009 9:01:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
I am truly glad for you and your friends. Well Done!

Many have fought long lonely battles to save family members from themselves. Usually, while being denigrated by many that assume that “parents are always at fault”. In my experience parents are not at fault about half the time. The kids have their own minds and make their own judgments after they are taught what they should do. In fact regardless of up bring young adults are responsible for the decisions they make and no one else. If a person wants welfare because they are a victim of the system we on FR correctly identify that they are responsible for their lives. We tell them to get to work, educate themselves, make something of themselves, and help us build a positive future for our nation. How strange it is to see that so many think that kids that have drug or alcohol problems, hate their country, or work to destroy that very country are “victims” of their parents. Nonsense.

You are right to be alarmed. Our children are assaulted from so many directions that they are hard to catalog. The music they listen to inculcate immorality, drugs, and criminal activity. And let's not forget that they are taught to hate their country and embrace marxism and disregard what their parents teach them in the schools we send them to for an education. If you discuss politics, I am certain you have heard “Well communism has never really been tried”. Add to this peer pressure, movies, television, radio, and I submit to you that parents that teach personal responsibility, hard work, and patriotism, will loose more often than not. And my position is supported by empirical evidence. How many of our youth support the marxists?

So how did I do? My son is US Army, headed to Afghanistan. My daughter...still a work in progress but she is working now, making a positive contribution, and realizing just how right her parents were. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to comment in this area. :D)

49 posted on 06/28/2009 9:25:50 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: algernonpj

I think we are already on the way down.


50 posted on 06/28/2009 9:28:10 AM PDT by kabar
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