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Will we have another Reagan to get us out of this mess?-

Posted on 07/13/2009 11:05:07 AM PDT by SpaceDragon

This is merely me venting, but I would appreciate any support or feedback you can give. This relys heavily on my current knowledge of history, and as I am only 18 years old, I have much to learn.

My question is this: Supposing that Obama finishes this four-year term, and continues his disastrous policy, will we have another Reagan to fix this? We went through this kind of thing with Carter, but it was on a much smaller scale.

A man like Reagan doesn't come along that often, so despairingly I ask you, who can fix this? The current officials in the Republican Party are almost all corrupt, self-serving, power mongers. Someone please help me with this, as it is really gnawing at me.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: helpless; obama; reagan; savior

1 posted on 07/13/2009 11:05:07 AM PDT by SpaceDragon
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2 posted on 07/13/2009 11:07:13 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: SpaceDragon
No, we will never have another Reagan.

We will have another that espouses the conservative values and love of America, that Reagan had.

3 posted on 07/13/2009 11:09:43 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: SpaceDragon

Be of good cheer,my friend....help is on the way.
She’s gorgeous,smart,tough and good!


4 posted on 07/13/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Time to CLEAN HOUSE (AND Senate!!!) Kick their butts to the curb!!)
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To: SpaceDragon

Having had Democrats running Congress since ‘06, and now 0bama in office, I think America is on the path of permanent decline. The electorate has proven itself too lazy and too stupid to remain free; people voted for the mommy state, and once it sets in you’re pretty much doomed as a people. It slowly enervates the population until the will to compete is gone. I’m convinced the future belongs to Asia.


5 posted on 07/13/2009 11:17:15 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: SpaceDragon

The U.S. “media” will not allow another Reagan to arise. They will do everything in their power, including lying to the public, to attack, libel, and tear down anyone who presents a conservative opinion. Look at how they tore down and helped defeat Rick Santorum, George Allen, and Sarah Palin.

The United States as it was under Reagan will not exist again until the traitors to our nation in the newsrooms have been eliminated.

(metaphorically speaking, of course)


6 posted on 07/13/2009 11:17:21 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Democracy fails when the majority starts voting themselves presents from the public treasury - unk.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

She isn’t Ronald Reagan, but she’s the closest thing I can see on the horizon. I lived through the Reagan years and can tell you he wasn’t perfect either. In fact, he made some serious errors. But he still accomplished more for the cause of liberty than any president in the last century, at least.


7 posted on 07/13/2009 11:19:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Vigilanteman

I too lived through the Reagan years,and,as you have noted,no,he wasn’t perfect,and no human being is,including Sarah,but she is exactly what we need...exactly.


8 posted on 07/13/2009 11:21:30 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Time to CLEAN HOUSE (AND Senate!!!) Kick their butts to the curb!!)
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To: SpaceDragon
Supposing that Obama finishes this four-year term, and continues his disastrous policy, will we have another Reagan to fix this?

In '76, Reagan had mounted a serious challenge to Gerald Ford and was regarded as the GOP front-runner for the '80 primary season. We have no one like that now. Romney? Huckabee? Gimme a break.

Palin? She can match the Gipper in charisma. She's vilified by the elites and the media, but so was Reagan. She needs to establish her credentials as a thinker, a woman with ideas and proposals to solve America's problems, and she needs to get those ideas out to the public. People need to be talking about Palin's ideas, not about Palin's family, her personality, etc. The deck is really stacked against her by the Washington establishment and big media. I have my doubts, but I'm hoping she does it.
9 posted on 07/13/2009 11:22:08 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SpaceDragon

“Supposing that Obama finishes this four-year term, and continues his disastrous policy, will we have another Reagan to fix this?”

By your question you show more promise than the typical 18 year old (apart, perhaps, from those who may be serving in the Middle East).

Your question is based on 1) the presumption we will enjoy free and open elections; and 2) that a future president can by his or her own efforts reverse the sharp leftward swerve our nation has taken and continues to take.

Well-informed national writers suggest 1) is in doubt. They point to:
the fact that Obama has been surrounded by anti-Americans his entire life and even presently;
Obama’s longstanding involvement with ACORN and the status it currently enjoys with tax-payer monies;
Obama’s expressed desire for a Civilian National Security Force as well-funded as the military;
Obama’s support of the Iran government’s position with regard to the protests of an amazingly quick count of votes; and,
Obama’s support of Honduran leftist thug Zelaya’s clearly illegal attempt to circumvent the authority of his country’s election laws, its Congress and its Supreme Court.
(for more see, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124744094880829815.html.)
just to name a few reasons.
One can wonder what La Vegas odds makers would say about Obama’s likely future behavior.

As for 2), a Reagan-like president will require legislative support if he or she is to have measurable success. Dumbed-down voters seem bent on electing open socialists and RINOs masquerading as patriots to the Congress.
What do you suppose will effectively change the behavior of the voters?

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/1st-amendment-petition.html


10 posted on 07/13/2009 11:47:11 AM PDT by frog in a pot (It's a myth, folks. The frog will jump out and he will be pi$$ed. Ever had big warts?)
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To: SpaceDragon
We went through this kind of thing with Carter

I have bad news for you. Carter's meddling with the economy was nothing compared to what is going on now. The closest parallel I think would be Hoover-Roosevelt who both tried to stimulate the economy with an assortment of government interventions. (See Rothbard's History of Money and Banking. excerpt here) We didn't break out of it for nearly 20 years.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 07/13/2009 11:47:11 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Vigilanteman
She isn’t Ronald Reagan, but she’s the closest thing I can see on the horizon.

If that's the case, then we're screwed.

I lived through the Reagan years and can tell you he wasn’t perfect either.

Golly, so did I. And Sarah Palin is at best knee-high to Ronald Reagan, both in terms of experience and intellectual depth. Not to mention that normal folks could stand to listen to Reagan.

12 posted on 07/13/2009 11:50:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Owl_Eagle

obviously the MSM believes that Sarah is the next Gipper, otherwise they would not be working triple-overtime to try and destroy her. The good news is that running against the Media might be her most effective strategy.


13 posted on 07/13/2009 11:50:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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...Sarah Palin is at best knee-high to Ronald Reagan, both in terms of experience and intellectual depth. Not to mention that normal folks could stand to listen to Reagan.

Uh oh... incoming!!

14 posted on 07/13/2009 11:53:18 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: Pistolshot
Agreed. Reagan is one of a kind. I appreciate the comparisons of Reagan and Palin, but saying she's the next Reagan diminishes both Reagan's legacy and uniqueness to American politics, as well as limits hers.

I like Sarah because she's Sarah- and nobody else.

15 posted on 07/13/2009 11:53:38 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Trod Upon

Bingo, and with fewer words.


16 posted on 07/13/2009 11:54:03 AM PDT by frog in a pot (It's a myth, folks. The frog will jump out and he will be pi$$ed. Ever had big warts?)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Uh oh... incoming!!

Shaking in fright.... /s

17 posted on 07/13/2009 11:56:16 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

LOL! I know what you mean...


18 posted on 07/13/2009 12:04:38 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: r9etb
No less a person than Michael Reagan said Sarah was the closest thing he'd seen to his father. Do you have some special insights which he lacks?

What's your alternative? Roll over and give ObaMao a pass?

19 posted on 07/13/2009 12:15:19 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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Do you have some special insights which he lacks?

I've listened to her very deep insights on world finances and international relations. Oh ... you mean she doesn't have any of those? Ooops.

20 posted on 07/13/2009 12:44:36 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: SpaceDragon

No, and we should stop looking. Reagan was almost 30 years ago, we didn’t get Reagan by searching for Ike, and we’re not going to get the next great GOPer looking for Reagan.


21 posted on 07/13/2009 12:48:21 PM PDT by discostu (Tommy can you hear me)
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To: Owl_Eagle

to post 2 - Perfect reply.


22 posted on 07/13/2009 12:49:35 PM PDT by jla
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To: SpaceDragon

I’m glad you spoke up and asked. There will never be another Reagan but take heart there are other Conservatives out there with the same ideals and courage that he had, Sarah namely. :) I turned 18 during the disatorous Carter years so I know exactly what you are feeling. It made me a lifelong conservative and I’m sure many of your generation the same will happen to them. Reality is a powerful teacher!


23 posted on 07/13/2009 1:19:23 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SpaceDragon

What we are going through now is not what Reagan faced.

The globalists and bankster wackos are much more corrupt and powerful than they were when Reagan came along. I think they control the US Presidents now with threats to use their power to bring the nation economically, to it’s knees, if demands are not met. These folks pick our candidates for us. They did not pick Palin...hence the demonization of her. They did pick McCain and Obama. Romney is a trustworthy globalist “citizen of the world” too.

By the time Obama is out of office, I suspect the US will be totally entwined in formal operations of global governance. He will begin by placing economic planning and regulation under the IMF through the Fed.

About you worrying...you are only eighteen years old and your generation is going to live in a different world than did your parents and grandparents. It is what it is so you need to learn about it and prepare yourself for it. Worrying is wasted energy...plotting and planning to rescue the constitution and Republic is the way to use your energy.

Politically, in general, look to actively support people who the corporate media, Democrats and Rinos hate. They Americans they snort at...make fun of as being “stupid” or a “hater” when that makes no sense.


24 posted on 07/13/2009 1:34:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SpaceDragon
They don't make men like Ronald Reagan anymore.

We belong to a very different culture than the one he knew, to a very different society than the one placed him in office 1980 and again in 1984.

Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama are the MTV generation presidents.

25 posted on 07/14/2009 8:15:43 AM PDT by Osnome
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To: discostu

I was not talking about Reagan as a man (I don’t think a mediocre actor is gonna solve our problems this time), but I was talking about Reagan’s qualities of genuine humor in the most serious situations (not Obama’s staged stand up)that humanized and gave the nation a sense of optimism, and his attitude of not taking any bs that instilled fear in the enemy. These are ideal qualities for a president, especially the latter.

When Reagan was inaugurated, the Iran Hostage Crisis ended. Why? Cause they knew they were dealing with somebody as crazy as they were! They knew he probably would have said, “Fire up the bombers.”

He had the balls to walk out of Reykjavik instead of meeting Soviet demands to stop Star Wars. That’s who we need in office!


26 posted on 07/14/2009 11:39:38 AM PDT by SpaceDragon (Jesus tapdancing Christ, look at this mess!)
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To: SpaceDragon

But Reagan’s qualities were still those of 30 years ago. It’s a different world now. And one of the constant hits on the GOP is that we’re always living in the past, and our hunt for the next Reagan is hurting us.

There were a lot of reasons the Iran Hostage Crisis ended when it did, and there’s a good chance that some of them do not compliment Reagan’s character though that part of the story is still a little foggy.

We don’t have a Soviet style enemy currently. Yet another reason why we shouldn’t be looking for the next Reagan, yes he was great for winning the Cold War against an enemy with a face and some capacity for logic and reason. You can’t stare down a faceless enemy that worships blood though.


27 posted on 07/14/2009 12:08:25 PM PDT by discostu (Tommy can you hear me)
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