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Romney Says To Obama On Healthcare Slow Down.How About Hands Off?
Newsweek ^ | july 21, 2009 | PVM

Posted on 07/21/2009 5:14:28 PM PDT by Three if by government

Is it me or is Romney turning into Mclame?.....

In the last two weeks, political commentators have expressed doubts over President Obama's time frame for healthcare reform. Meanwhile, even some Democrat lawmakers appear to be getting cold feet. In response, Obama is relentlessly pitching his plan. He has spoken about healthcare on eight out of the last nine days, and he's scheduled to hold a town hall meeting on the topic this Thursday. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is one of the few politicians in the country with first hand experience of steering major health care reform through the legislative process.....

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: dnc4romney; hillarycare; justsaynotomitt; msm4romney; obamacare; pimpromney; pimpromneythread; rino; rinoromney; romney; romney4obama; romneyantigop; romneyantipalin; romneycare; stenchofromney

1 posted on 07/21/2009 5:14:28 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: Three if by government

Guess not LOL

2 posted on 07/21/2009 5:20:53 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: Three if by government

never have trusted Romney.... still don’t

3 posted on 07/21/2009 5:22:03 PM PDT by bareford101
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To: Three if by government

ever heard of RomneyCare?

4 posted on 07/21/2009 5:22:48 PM PDT by GeronL (UnitedCitizen.Blogspot.Com --------- United Citizens Nation! ------------- Join Today!)
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To: bareford101

Don’t be fooled by Romney...

I like to post this as much as possible for any Romney-bots who happen to be reading... LOL...

Unlike Romney’s “National Council for a New America,” Free Republic is a conservative site!
by Jim Robinson

If there is anyone here who doesn’t understand why we cannot support a slick socialist politician like Mitt Romney, God help you, but you’re on the wrong website. We went through this with the abortionist, gay rights activist, illegal alien supporting, gun grabbing Rudy Giuliani until someone created another website call WAnkers for Rudy and they all flew the coop. Hopefully, before too much FReeper blood is shed, someone will create a WAnkers for Romney site and we can be left to fight the good fight as we see fit!

FR is not for everyone!

Any other questions, Romney-bots?... :-)

5 posted on 07/21/2009 5:23:07 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: bareford101

And more for those idiot Romney-bots... LOL...

Mitt Romney is a flip-flopping socialist bum!
vanity | July 17, 2009 | Jim Robinson
Posted on July 17, 2009 1:37:43 PM CDT by Jim Robinson

Don’t trust him. He’s a RINO. Worse than a RINO. He’s the enemy within.

You never know where he honestly stands on any issue. What he promises today, he flips on tomorrow. It all depends on which way the political winds are blowing and which office he’s running for. He’s a liar.

He’s a big government socialist. His RomneyCare state run health care system is a big government boondoggle. It’s tyranny. Government provided, er, forced health care is tyranny not freedom or free markets. Do not believe the socialist propaganda supporting such nonsense.

Socialized medicine is simply another step to socialized government. Government solutions at the point of a gun are the opposite of what we need. This is socialism! Fascism! Mitt Romney is proud of his big government socialist creation and thinks it would be great for all of America. He wants to force you to accept what the state says is right for you. Your taxes will go up as government costs soar and the quality of the care you receive declines. High costs, long waits, rationing, poor or no service, big government force in other areas is where it leads.

“Hello, we’re from the government and we’re here to help you.” Believe that and you are a sucker!

Say NO to socialism! NO to RINOism! NO to Mitt Romney!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

Warning to Romney-bots...

6 posted on 07/21/2009 5:23:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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Massachusetts Health Care Woes Could Cast Cloud Over Romney Bid
7 posted on 07/21/2009 5:26:00 PM PDT by McGruff (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: Three if by government

Romney is weak. You just cannot spend that much time in Massachusetts and not get it all over you.....

8 posted on 07/21/2009 5:26:36 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Three if by government

Romney is digging his own grave.

9 posted on 07/21/2009 5:27:18 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Three if by government

Here are a couple questions I’d have asked Romney (any resident MittBots feel free to answer):

Given the disaster that MittCare has become, why should anyone listen to you regarding health care?

Is ObamaCare more or less socialist than MittCare? Do you think that is good or bad?

Given that the top politician you consulted with on the socialist disaster that is MittCare was far left Sen. Kennedy (see article above), why would any conservative or even near conservative with half a brain even consider voting for you?

10 posted on 07/21/2009 5:29:23 PM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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"Massachusetts Universal Healthcare System Breaking Down Already
When Governor Mitt Romney instituted a universal healthcare plan for Massachusetts in 2006 he proclaimed it a conservative idea.
But has it worked? Has it been successful?
For a time, many thought it might but cracks in the system are already being seen.
These cracks are instructive as a lesson on how Obamacare will crash and burn just like Romneycare is now in the process of doing.

One of the early claims that helped push Romneycare through to law was the insistence by its supporters that Emergency Room visits would fall as more and more citizens became covered under healthcare insurance.
Since ER care is far more expensive than a doctor's care, it was thought that more people with insurance would ease the overcrowding of ERs as well as lower the overall costs of healthcare.
However, a flaw in this logic has been seen throughout the state. As more people became insured, more people demanded the care of doctors. These doctors became overloaded with patients and waiting lists for doctors got longer and longer.
As a result, ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent...

"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."

"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"
Health Service paramedics have been told not to resuscitate terminally-ill patients who register on a controversial new database to say they want to die.
It has been set up by the ambulance service in London for hundreds of people who have only a few months to live so that they may register their 'death wishes' in advance.
It is believed to be the first in the country, but other trusts around the country are expected to follow suit to comply with Government guidelines which state that patients' wishes should be taken into account, even at the point of death.
Patients' groups and doctors have welcomed the scheme, but it has met opposition from pro-life groups who say it violates the sanctity of life.
The system would come into play if a cancer patient, for example, was in serious pain and rang 999 for help to alleviate the suffering.
But if the paramedics arrived and the patient was close to death, he or she would not be resuscitated if such a request was registered on the database.
This would also be the case if a patient on the database was being transferred between hospitals, and had a heart attack.
Dominica Roberts from the Pro-Life Alliance said: 'This is very sad and very dangerous. It's another step along the slippery slope, at the bottom of which is euthanasia as we see in Holland. 'Paramedics should be there to save lives. They should not be there to let patients die. The medical profession should not agree with someone's belief that their life is worthless.'"

"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."

A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obama’s plan to radically overhaul America’s health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nation’s economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time —
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."

"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts’ overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney’s successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, “It would never happen here.”
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.

"Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry"

"Romney’s mistreatments a sick man, as Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient"

Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs.
The Government's rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS.
The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is expected to confirm guidance in the next few weeks that will effectively ban their use.
The move comes despite a pledge by Nice to be more flexible in giving life-extending drugs
to terminally-ill cancer patients after a public outcry last year over 'death sentence' decisions."

"Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments
"An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has found that thousands of 999 patients are being left to wait in ambulances in car parks and holding bays, or in hospital corridors – in some cases for more than five hours – before they can even join the queue for urgent treatment.

Experts warn that hospitals are deliberately delaying when they accept patients – or are diverting them to different sites –
in order to meet Government targets to treat people within fours hours of admitting them."

"Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait (UK Socialized Medicine)
WAITING times for cancer treatment need to be cut, the Scottish Government was told yesterday.
..Cancer experts later said that patients elsewhere in Europe would be "outraged" by having to wait two months to start treatment, with most being seen within two weeks.

The current target of 62 days from urgent referral by a doctor to starting treatment has still not been met in Scotland, despite that originally being the target figure for 2005."

"Hospital patient so shocked at dirty ward she climbed out of bed to clean it herself
After 12 years cleaning care homes and private houses, no one is better qualified than Tereza Tosbell to say whether a room is spotless.
So hospital bosses should take heed of her opinion after she spent four days on a 'filthy' ward.
The mother-of-one said during her stay there was a single, brief visit from a cleaner who left dusty curtains, dirty bedframes and a messy floor.
Disgusted at the conditions, she grabbed the antibacterial fluid dispenser at the end of her bed and some hand towels from the bathroom.
She then set about cleaning her four-bed ward, at one point dropping to her hands and knees to sanitise the floor as she dragged her drip trolley behind her.
'It was shameful to see how sloppy the cleaners were while I was there. I was not prepared to put up with such conditions,'
said Miss Tosbell, a 48-year-old divorcee who was admitted to Colchester General Hospital in Essex with an abscess in her neck.."

"Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE (UK Socialized Medicine)
Thousands of kidney cancer patients are likely to lose out on life-prolonging drugs.
The NHS rationing body, NICE, has confirmed a ban on three out of four new treatments.
.. 'Families will be denied time together and doctors will be unable to give patients the best treatment.'."

"Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage (UK Socialized Medicine)
A three-year-old girl awaiting heart surgery has had her operation cancelled three times this month because of a shortage of beds.

... A hospital spokesman said that procedures would be reviewed, but the case highlights a growing problem of cancelled operations in the NHS.
More than 57,000 surgeries were postponed for non-clinical reasons, including a lack of beds, last year – 10 per cent more than the previous year."

11 posted on 07/21/2009 5:29:26 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: piytar

I forgot one:

Now that the socialist propaganda rag Newsweek is carrying water for you, why don’t you just make it official and leave the GOP to join the American SocialistS aka Democr@p Party?

12 posted on 07/21/2009 5:35:20 PM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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Romney Says To Obama On Healthcare. “Slow Down...That’s not how I did it...Make me Health Czar and I’ll make Mass look like bandaid...”

13 posted on 07/21/2009 5:46:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Romney should not be the Republican candidate on 2012. He may be a nice guy, but he is a sucker for the soft middle, let’s get along in D.C., just like McCain was. Both are not conservatives and both will or have sold out conservatives in the past.

14 posted on 07/21/2009 5:47:08 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Diogenesis

Ah, yes... Romney always improves things when he moves in and takes over...bigger is better...

“When Romney took office in 2003, under the law in Massachusetts, enacted by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in Moe v. Secretary of Admin.& Finance, 382 Mass. 629, 417 N.E.2d 387 (Mass. 1981), the taxpayers of Massachusetts were forced to subsidize ONLY abortions performed on Medicaid eligible women. In 2003, there were 4,859 publicly funded abortions in Massachusetts, according to the Massachusetts Citizens for Life.

In 2003, there were 25,741 total abortions performed in Massachusetts.

Post-RomneyCare, the state forces every Massachusetts taxpayer to fund every abortion performed on any Massachusetts resident for a very modest $50 copay. Thus, under Romney Care, the number of abortions that will be funded on the backs of the taxpaying citizens of Massachusetts will be at least 500% more than the number when he took office (approx. 25,000 versus 5,000).

15 posted on 07/21/2009 5:54:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Diogenesis

The picture is enough I realize he passed state wide healthcare but why did people like Rush and Levin support the guy last year maybe they didnt do their homework

16 posted on 07/21/2009 6:05:28 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: GeronL

Yes but why did the left go after him so hard?

17 posted on 07/21/2009 6:06:22 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: Tennessee Nana


18 posted on 07/21/2009 6:06:57 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: EagleUSA

Yeah I went to BU for a year had to transfer all they talked about was Marx this and Marx that soon to be Obama this and Obama that..

19 posted on 07/21/2009 6:08:05 PM PDT by Three if by government
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To: Always Right
Romney is digging his own grave.

And Newsweek is right there trying to pitch the dirt back in again -- it's sickening to read the comments following the article. All these dewey-eyed suckers and saps, so impressed with Romney. "He should be our next president! He's so logical!" "He's a businessman and an executive!" Yeah, so are Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Eisner, and Richard Branson, four of the biggest Nanny Government Liberals around. Listen, people, business executives are the last types we want in political power, because they consider you and me, we American citizen taxpayers and laborers, the equivalent of employees. They succeed in private enterprise because they can manage personnel and dictate to employees what and what not to do. But American government is not a business and we are not personnel to be managed.

I'll bet that just about 100 percent of Republicans and conservatives are saying, "Slow down on health care!" But the MSM chooses to highlight Romney saying it, so gullible, short-thinking folks assume that he's the only one saying it, and give him big kudos.

There was a time when I'd have been a lot more impressed if Romney was saying, "Look, it's clear that the Federal government should have ZERO role in private health care concerns of private citizens, employers, and employees." Now if he said those very words, I wouldn't be impressed because I know that Romney will speak any platitude, make any promise, don any mask, to make people think well of him. I don't trust him any more than I trust Obama.

It's pretty telling that Newsweek is so eager to give Romney such a fluff PR write-up.

20 posted on 07/21/2009 6:10:08 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Three if by government

Maybe they thought it would be harder to win if both guys were leaning that way on healthcare? Or because they decide that Mormons take so much crap that really have to be religious and that scares the left?

21 posted on 07/21/2009 6:13:00 PM PDT by GeronL (UnitedCitizen.Blogspot.Com --------- United Citizens Nation! ------------- Join Today!)
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To: Finny

Thats why I posted this headline I am concerned by this article and also the healthcare history in MASS

22 posted on 07/21/2009 6:17:16 PM PDT by Three if by government
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... why did people like Rush and Levin support the guy last year ... maybe they didn't do their homework?

Item 1: Rush NEVER SUPPORTED OR ENDORSED ROMNEY, frequent false claims by Romney supporters to the contrary. Peruse Rush's exact words in the "three legs of the stool" speech, which is the standard "proof" offered by Romney supporters regarding Rush's so-called support. It is very cagily worded by Rush, and the actual segment, in its complete context, was NOT about Romney, it was about the shortcomings of the primary candidates. Rush did have high praise for Romney's Religion in America speech, but that praise failed to include Romney's politics, and if I remember correctly, TWICE during that show segment, when he praised the Religion in America speech, Rush stated very clearly that he was NOT endorsing Romney.

Item 2: Mark Levin gave Romney his official primary endorsement in a column as a last resort, after Thompson had dropped out, and it was very clearly written by Levin AS a last resort, as the least of the evils before us. He was not happy to be endorsing Romney, but he hated the idea of McCain or Huckabee even more.

Item 3: You may also come across claims by Romney supporters that Michael Reagan "supported" Mitt Romney, and they will show you a very flattering quote pinched out-of-context from one of Reagan's columns. Read the whole column, and you'll see that the paragraph immediately following the one they pinch, Reagan writes: "The same can be said of Rudy Giuliani." I have searched, and NOWHERE did I find an official endorsement of Romney from Reagan.

I have done my homework.

23 posted on 07/21/2009 6:25:42 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

you sure have

24 posted on 07/21/2009 8:27:47 PM PDT by Three if by government
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“Romney Says To Obama On Healthcare Slow Down.....”

Typical RINO response to impending socialism/fascism.

when translated means “slow down-let me catch with you”

25 posted on 07/21/2009 8:32:31 PM PDT by mo
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To: mo

“catch UP with you”...sheesh!!

26 posted on 07/21/2009 8:34:01 PM PDT by mo
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To: Three if by government
Romney FAKES endorsements. FReepers and citizens who stupidly voted for the Carpetbagger have learned
that StakePresident (per Lady Lawyer) Romney routinely fabricates FALSE CLAIMS
such as his lies about a NRA Endorsement which was faked,
as his alleged marches with Martin Luther King which were also lies.

These are generally known (and laughed at).
Less known is that Romney has been exposed buying and awarding himself an 'awards'.

CASE 1: "Behind the empty gestures and deceptive rhetoric, Romney was not pro-life
or a defender of marriage by any stretch of the imagination.
He was a disaster," said O'Gorman, of the board for Massachusetts Citizens for Life.
He said Romney "deceptively" claims to have been awarded
a pro-life award from the group.

"The award Romney arranged for himself with the local Pioneer Valley Chapter
was the Mullins Award for Political Leadership, not a pro-life award
and not approved by MCFL's state board of directors," he said.
"We're blowing the whistle to warn voters…

[Family leaders call Romney 'disaster' - Letter criticizes 'deceptive rhetoric' around candidate]

"Of course, I lie. Promise them ANYTHING."

27 posted on 07/22/2009 4:03:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Three if by government

the mormon pot calling the Kenyan black

28 posted on 07/22/2009 10:21:24 AM PDT by klimeckg ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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